Israel - 'We Are Untouchable'

[quote]algian wrote:
I’m just curious to know one thing:

Let’s say that hypothetically, in WWII the arabs came to help out Europe and get rid of the germans. Once they had helped us out, they decided they needed a homeland for the jews, so, they grabbed a ruler draw some lines in the middle of the US and called it Isreal. Isreal is there now and is oppressing and getting rid of the original people on the land.

How would you react being an American?

Please, don’t come back saying “You’re an asshole, blah blah”. If you’re going to reply to this, please reply to this with your honest opinion on how you would react to the situation.[/quote]

We’ve already kind of done this with the original Indians in the US. They have many reservations (Ranceria’s as they like to call it) right in the middle of the Country. They are their own recognized Nation.

But let’s not forget that just 300 years ago we mass murdered and oppressed these folks for their land, and at that time they were mostly European bred.

Hey, the more you accept i’m not anti-semite (actually anti-jew, most people on this thread EXCEPT me could be said to be anti-semite. Look up the word) the more interesting points you’ll see in what i write.

I don’t get this. [quote] The more the Jew explicates the universal nature of subjects such as science, morality, economics and virtually everything else, the more the Jew is able to make himself transparent to the forces of anti-Semitism, and the more the anti-Semite’s rug is pulled from under his feet[/quote].
Explicate means ‘explain’, did you intend this because if you did i’m lost. I guess you menat ‘integrate’, which is cool. I don’t think a ‘pure’ country could ever exist anymore because you’d have to commit massive genocide, and/or land expropriation. Sound familiar? :wink:

I hear you on society becoming more ‘jewish’ (i know a lot of my mates are circumcised, they say it feels sweet haha).

But to me, the torah and its ways are so strictly defined, you will never see a complete assimilation of this ideology into others.

[quote] Thus the Jewish Question is turned on its head. Whereas one used to ask “Can the Jew become a citizen?”, now one asks “Can citizens remain Jewish?” What is the future of the Jew? Will he vanish when the anti-Semite runs out of attacks on his legitimacy?

If I dare now turn to Israel. Surely the same argument applies? If it were not for Arab hostility and aggression, Israel?s ?Jewishness? would dissipate over time and it would cease to exist, or at least, cease to have any significance, save perhaps historical.[/quote]

Yep, i agree, same for all stricter ideologies, when exposed to plurality. EXCEPT as i’ve written several times before, from 40s- at least the 80s, there was a deliberate Israeli state policy to indoctrinate to be REALLY Jewish, and also to dwell for a massive amount of time on the history of Jews being persecuted.

I believe that such a protocol (which has been the teaching of all of the state leaders in recent years, who will give no concessions) is not healthy. It is about as unhealthy as the indoctrination that must go on among radical islamic mosque-goers. It is, however, unackowledged by anyone on here except me, and this is another reason why i feel that any conclusion that places blame solely at the door of the arabs is false.

I hope to one day see a flourishing Israel, with all the beauty, art and culture intact. Some Jewish girls have fiine arses! BUT this must not come at the expense of any stability, or economic independance, or political choice, for the surrounding arab states.

There will be no sympathetic integration while both states are at war, right? So let’s cut out as much war as we can, only then, when the powers (US, UN, UK, u and me!) are working diplomatically towards freeing Gazans from their cage, giving back all of what was green-line Palestine, etc, can we truly see who the cunt is.

If, at this time, when as good a settlement as can be expected is achieved, (jobs, food, water, houses for all Palestinians etc- they lack at the moment, Israel is a very economically strong population, and are only injured by terrorist actions) there are still nationalists who will fire rockets at Haifa, fuck them. They may be condemned.

But the whole Palestinian nation will also tell them ‘Shut the fuck up! WE ARE THE PEOPLE, AND WE’RE HAPPY!’

It happened in Euzkerra (Basqueland).

[quote]harris447 wrote:

To answer that quesiton, one would have to apply blame to the jews for the Holocaust, the Pogroms, the Inquisition, etc.

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No, they wouldn’t. No one is applying blame but you. The paraphrasing you did was nowhere near what I said. You paraphrased it so you could put words in my mouth. Quit lying.

I’m beginning to think you’re at least learning disabled. Perhaps mildly retarded.

This was simple question that I asked what, four times now? You continue to dodge it and make things up, while saying things about me you know nothing about.

You call me a coward, yet who calls people names behind a computer screen. Your the kind of punk kid who wouldn’t say it to anyone’s face.

Your the only coward I see.

I’m through wasting my time with you and this thread.

Dustin

[quote]dannyrat wrote:

I don’t get this. The more the Jew explicates the universal nature of subjects such as science, morality, economics and virtually everything else, the more the Jew is able to make himself transparent to the forces of anti-Semitism, and the more the anti-Semite’s rug is pulled from under his feet.
Explicate means ‘explain’, did you intend this because if you did i’m lost. I guess you menat ‘integrate’, which is cool. I don’t think a ‘pure’ country could ever exist anymore because you’d have to commit massive genocide, and/or land expropriation. Sound familiar? :wink:
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Thanks for the English lesson dannyboy. You sure are a master at testing my patience. I meant explicate. Read the paragraph and think philosophy and theology rather than politics.
I guess that your reading of ‘integration’ adds a different, and interesting, gloss.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Because his blind hatred of you overwhelms his alleged dislike of Nazis, or any other topic for that matter. But he is not hate-filled, no sir, not at all. LOL!

Hey you just drew a false conclusion by making a wrongful assumption based upon insufficient data.

Did you do that on purpose?

Of course you did.

And why?

One lefty sticking up for another lefty.

Awe…that’s so adorable.

LOL[/quote]

How is that a false conclusion when harris posts something and you automatically post something against him? Insufficient data? Do you ever go back and read anything you type? Most likely not, because you are so smug in your self-imposed superiority, you automatically assume you are in the right. Did you see that others agreed with him that usually argue with him? No, you didn’t. You just went right to attacking him again.

I am enjoying your rapid decline into pure hate-filled insanity. Please continue. :wink:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Because his blind hatred of you overwhelms his alleged dislike of Nazis, or any other topic for that matter. But he is not hate-filled, no sir, not at all. LOL!

Hey you just drew a false conclusion by making a wrongful assumption based upon insufficient data.

Did you do that on purpose?

Of course you did.

And why?

One lefty sticking up for another lefty.

Awe…that’s so adorable.

LOL[/quote]

Oh, BTW ZEB, I never actually came out and directly addressed you in any of my recent posts until you started in on me. Keep that in mind when you reply. :wink:

Alright, stay cool, cool. I wasn’t being sarky. You reread it and see how bizarre it seems/ incongruous it is. That’s why i thought you meant to type integrate. i’m not the master, i sometimes type too quick and accidentally substitute a wrong word because of the context. I’ll read it again. Not going to comment on the rest of my thoughts?

Ok i reread it agin, i think i get you- do you mean if we focus on the universals, and forget parts of our schema that are subjective, we’ll get harmony? That could work, but it’s a bit more far-fetched than ‘don’t steal land/ don’t be a terrorist’ to sort the place out.

Without irony i’d like to point out physical differences that Jews exhibit. With a brutal (as i described) policy of non-integration, the distinctions will remain. I lived in Southall, and i’ve got with a few cute Pakistani girls. Not saying i’ve started a new bloodline or achieved peace like that, but intermingling is neccesary, right?

[quote]Dustin wrote:
harris447 wrote:

To answer that quesiton, one would have to apply blame to the jews for the Holocaust, the Pogroms, the Inquisition, etc.

No, they wouldn’t. No one is applying blame but you. The paraphrasing you did was nowhere near what I said. You paraphrased it so you could put words in my mouth. Quit lying.

I’m beginning to think you’re at least learning disabled. Perhaps mildly retarded.

This was simple question that I asked what, four times now? You continue to dodge it and make things up, while saying things about me you know nothing about.

You call me a coward, yet who calls people names behind a computer screen. Your the kind of punk kid who wouldn’t say it to anyone’s face.

Your the only coward I see.

I’m through wasting my time with you and this thread.

Dustin[/quote]

Good. Why don’t you quit wasting time with this site.

Here’s a little piece of logic for ya:

If I had, as my avatar, something that I didn’t know was racist and someone pointed it out to me…I would change it.

You didn’t.

That says a lot about you.

But back to your dumb question: you asked “Why have the Jews been thrown out of every nation they’ve been in?”

You are clearly looking for the Jews’ part in it.

You get so mad when people see through your hideous bullshit.

You’d be funny if you weren’t a walking, talking ad for abortion.

[quote]ALDurr wrote:
ZEB wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Because his blind hatred of you overwhelms his alleged dislike of Nazis, or any other topic for that matter. But he is not hate-filled, no sir, not at all. LOL!

Hey you just drew a false conclusion by making a wrongful assumption based upon insufficient data.

Did you do that on purpose?

Of course you did.

And why?

One lefty sticking up for another lefty.

Awe…that’s so adorable.

LOL

How is that a false conclusion when harris posts something and you automatically post something against him? Insufficient data? Do you ever go back and read anything you type? Most likely not, because you are so smug in your self-imposed superiority, you automatically assume you are in the right. Did you see that others agreed with him that usually argue with him? No, you didn’t. You just went right to attacking him again.

I am enjoying your rapid decline into pure hate-filled insanity. Please continue. ;)[/quote]

AL, forgive me, but you’re a bit slow on this one, or is it that you just think you are right without thinking? Why don’t you go back and reread my original post to harris on this thread.

Let me help you out:

I did not attack harris for his stance. It was the personal attack that I was calling into question. He can never debate any topic with anyone without the use of peronal attacks. A smarter man would have seen this and figured it out AL.

But, I think at this point you are attacking me any way you can…

HEY…that’s just what you accused me of doing huh?

But it actually fits you.

Next time read the post, or I will have to start calling you harris the second. No…no…I’d never do that to anyone…

[quote]ALDurr wrote:
ZEB wrote:
ALDurr wrote:
Because his blind hatred of you overwhelms his alleged dislike of Nazis, or any other topic for that matter. But he is not hate-filled, no sir, not at all. LOL!

Hey you just drew a false conclusion by making a wrongful assumption based upon insufficient data.

Did you do that on purpose?

Of course you did.

And why?

One lefty sticking up for another lefty.

Awe…that’s so adorable.

LOL

Oh, BTW ZEB, I never actually came out and directly addressed you in any of my recent posts until you started in on me. Keep that in mind when you reply. ;)[/quote]

I think you have that backwards my friend.

But either way who cares AL? This is the political forum and since you and I hold opposing views on just about every topic it’s only natural that we cross keyboards.

It’s all good …

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:
jasonigor wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
jasonigor wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:

You should be dishonorably discharged and gang raped by both the '72 Knicks and the SUNY-New Paltz chapter of Hillel House.

As Freud would say: “You’re projecting your repressed fantasies”

Please don’t play amateur psychologist with your Freud quotes. Ask any Psychologist worth their salt…Freud was largely full of shit.

And you are???..

Worth my salt yes.

ok, whatever.[/quote]

Not the reply you were looking for ?

Zeb, with respect, I’ve read many of your recent posts and you acuse people of personal attacks and retaliate in a very passive aggressive manner.

I’m not suggesting that anyone is right to attack another for differing from their opinon, but please don’t act as if you are somehow holier than thou when you don’t even have the guts to insult people in a direct manner.

Resolve your discontent instead by examining the often irrational beliefs sthat underlie your reactions, such as an assumption that things must always go your way.

When someone punches you in the face (or attacks you directly on T-Nation) you sure know that’s aggression.

But passive-aggression is very
sneaky behavior that people can hide and deny, which is what exactly you do.

I guess you have two options here now, ignore me, and confirm I’m right, or use some of your passive aggression or denial and prove I’m right.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Dustin wrote:
harris447 wrote:

Okay, first your question: you asked “Why is it that Jews have been so put upon?” (I’m paraphrasing.)

Your a schmuck who can’t read. I repeated the statement that you said and asked the question, “why have Jews been thrown out of every nation they’ve lived in?” You made the statement, I asked why.

You still haven’t answered.

I said nothing about the Holocaust or anything else. Your putting words in my mouth. Quit making things up

It saddens me that you are allowed to represent this country.

It saddens me that you can’t read and are dodging questions you obviously know nothing about.

With the big mouth you have, why don’t you join?

Dustin

Wow. You don’t know what paraphrasing is…that’s sad.

The question was “Why have the ews been kicked out of every country they’ve ever lived in?” That’s what you asked.

To answer that quesiton, one would have to apply blame to the jews for the Holocaust, the Pogroms, the Inquisition, etc.

You are essentially pointing at a rape victim and saying, “Well, look what she was wearing!”

I would expect no more from a disingenuous coward racist.
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Dustin I would like to hear your neo-nazi opinion on why the Jews are kicked out of every country.

[quote]Dustin wrote:
harris447 wrote:

To answer that quesiton, one would have to apply blame to the jews for the Holocaust, the Pogroms, the Inquisition, etc.

No, they wouldn’t. No one is applying blame but you. The paraphrasing you did was nowhere near what I said. You paraphrased it so you could put words in my mouth. Quit lying.

I’m beginning to think you’re at least learning disabled. Perhaps mildly retarded.

This was simple question that I asked what, four times now? You continue to dodge it and make things up, while saying things about me you know nothing about.

You call me a coward, yet who calls people names behind a computer screen. Your the kind of punk kid who wouldn’t say it to anyone’s face.

Your the only coward I see.

I’m through wasting my time with you and this thread.

Dustin[/quote]

Good. Get the fuck out. Nazis are not welcome here.