Israel - 'We Are Untouchable'

Mister amazing is right. There’s no point continuing this ‘discussion’.

If the most influential of us felt like this,

[quote]
If you’re an American, as I am, I suggest you just turn your back on the issue. These people are hopeless, they will never change, they’re all ignorant jerkoffs, regardless of which side they’re on. Until these fanatical jackasses fully comprehend that what they’ve been doing all these years has not improved the quality of lfie for either of them, they’re going to keep wasting their lives fighting for nothing. Not my country - fuck 'em.[/quote]
then the world would be unstable, but free to degrade into whatever chaos it wants to.

I’m so fucking bored that the only people who seem to be vocal about this are nazis, neocons, and me. And no-one can even see that my position isn’t extreme, it’s written. That i know this is obviously a source of huge embarassment, as old yankees must surely know more than me, right? This isn’t a website reknowned for it’s historical insight, so i’ll stick to LEARNING about the iron game, and not try to help you all reach a more balanced ideology.

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Mister amazing is right. There’s no point continuing this ‘discussion’.

If the most influential of us felt like this,

If you’re an American, as I am, I suggest you just turn your back on the issue. These people are hopeless, they will never change, they’re all ignorant jerkoffs, regardless of which side they’re on. Until these fanatical jackasses fully comprehend that what they’ve been doing all these years has not improved the quality of lfie for either of them, they’re going to keep wasting their lives fighting for nothing. Not my country - fuck 'em.
then the world would be unstable, but free to degrade into whatever chaos it wants to.

I’m so fucking bored that the only people who seem to be vocal about this are nazis, neocons, and me. And no-one can even see that my position isn’t extreme, it’s written. That i know this is obviously a source of huge embarassment, as old yankees must surely know more than me, right? This isn’t a website reknowned for it’s historical insight, so i’ll stick to LEARNING about the iron game, and not try to help you all reach a more balanced ideology.
[/quote]

Does this mean you’re going away?

Bye, little rat.

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July 24, 2006
Op-Ed Contributor
He Who Cast the First Stone Probably Didn?t
By DANIEL GILBERT

LONG before seat belts or common sense were particularly widespread, my family made annual trips to New York in our 1963 Valiant station wagon. Mom and Dad took the front seat, my infant sister sat in my mother?s lap and my brother and I had what we called ?the wayback? all to ourselves.

In the wayback, we?d lounge around doing puzzles, reading comics and counting license plates. Eventually we?d fight. When our fight had finally escalated to the point of tears, our mother would turn around to chastise us, and my brother and I would start to plead our cases. ?But he hit me first,? one of us would say, to which the other would inevitably add, ?But he hit me harder.?

It turns out that my brother and I were not alone in believing that these two claims can get a puncher off the hook. In virtually every human society, ?He hit me first? provides an acceptable rationale for doing that which is otherwise forbidden. Both civil and religious law provide long lists of behaviors that are illegal or immoral ? unless they are responses in kind, in which case they are perfectly fine.

After all, it is wrong to punch anyone except a puncher, and our language even has special words ? like ?retaliation? and ?retribution? and ?revenge? ? whose common prefix is meant to remind us that a punch thrown second is legally and morally different than a punch thrown first.

That?s why participants in every one of the globe?s intractable conflicts ? from Ireland to the Middle East ? offer the even-numberedness of their punches as grounds for exculpation.

The problem with the principle of even-numberedness is that people count differently. Every action has a cause and a consequence: something that led to it and something that followed from it. But research shows that while people think of their own actions as the consequences of what came before, they think of other people?s actions as the causes of what came later.

In a study conducted by William Swann and colleagues at the University of Texas, pairs of volunteers played the roles of world leaders who were trying to decide whether to initiate a nuclear strike. The first volunteer was asked to make an opening statement, the second volunteer was asked to respond, the first volunteer was asked to respond to the second, and so on. At the end of the conversation, the volunteers were shown several of the statements that had been made and were asked to recall what had been said just before and just after each of them.

The results revealed an intriguing asymmetry: When volunteers were shown one of their own statements, they naturally remembered what had led them to say it. But when they were shown one of their conversation partner?s statements, they naturally remembered how they had responded to it. In other words, volunteers remembered the causes of their own statements and the consequences of their partner?s statements.

What seems like a grossly self-serving pattern of remembering is actually the product of two innocent facts. First, because our senses point outward, we can observe other people?s actions but not our own. Second, because mental life is a private affair, we can observe our own thoughts but not the thoughts of others. Together, these facts suggest that our reasons for punching will always be more salient to us than the punches themselves ? but that the opposite will be true of other people?s reasons and other people?s punches.

Examples aren?t hard to come by. Shiites seek revenge on Sunnis for the revenge they sought on Shiites; Irish Catholics retaliate against the Protestants who retaliated against them; and since 1948, it?s hard to think of any partisan in the Middle East who has done anything but play defense. In each of these instances, people on one side claim that they are merely responding to provocation and dismiss the other side?s identical claim as disingenuous spin. But research suggests that these claims reflect genuinely different perceptions of the same bloody conversation.

If the first principle of legitimate punching is that punches must be even-numbered, the second principle is that an even-numbered punch may be no more forceful than the odd-numbered punch that preceded it. Legitimate retribution is meant to restore balance, and thus an eye for an eye is fair, but an eye for an eyelash is not. When the European Union condemned Israel for bombing Lebanon in retaliation for the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers, it did not question Israel?s right to respond, but rather, its ?disproportionate use of force.? It is O.K. to hit back, just not too hard.

Research shows that people have as much trouble applying the second principle as the first. In a study conducted by Sukhwinder Shergill and colleagues at University College London, pairs of volunteers were hooked up to a mechanical device that allowed each of them to exert pressure on the other volunteer?s fingers.

The researcher began the game by exerting a fixed amount of pressure on the first volunteer?s finger. The first volunteer was then asked to exert precisely the same amount of pressure on the second volunteer?s finger. The second volunteer was then asked to exert the same amount of pressure on the first volunteer?s finger. And so on. The two volunteers took turns applying equal amounts of pressure to each other?s fingers while the researchers measured the actual amount of pressure they applied.

The results were striking. Although volunteers tried to respond to each other?s touches with equal force, they typically responded with about 40 percent more force than they had just experienced. Each time a volunteer was touched, he touched back harder, which led the other volunteer to touch back even harder. What began as a game of soft touches quickly became a game of moderate pokes and then hard prods, even though both volunteers were doing their level best to respond in kind.

Each volunteer was convinced that he was responding with equal force and that for some reason the other volunteer was escalating. Neither realized that the escalation was the natural byproduct of a neurological quirk that causes the pain we receive to seem more painful than the pain we produce, so we usually give more pain than we have received.

Research teaches us that our reasons and our pains are more palpable, more obvious and real, than are the reasons and pains of others. This leads to the escalation of mutual harm, to the illusion that others are solely responsible for it and to the belief that our actions are justifiable responses to theirs.

None of this is to deny the roles that hatred, intolerance, avarice and deceit play in human conflict. It is simply to say that basic principles of human psychology are important ingredients in this miserable stew. Until we learn to stop trusting everything our brains tell us about others ? and to start trusting others themselves ? there will continue to be tears and recriminations in the wayback.

Daniel Gilbert, a professor of psychology at Harvard, is the author of ?Stumbling on Happiness.?

[quote]Dustin wrote:
harris447 wrote:

Jews have been thrown out of every country they have ever taken as a home.

Why has this happened? Not all of these countries were ruled by a little man with mustache.

Dannyrat is spot on. Instead of calling him names, maybe some you should seek news sources that aren’t American. You’ll get a new and interesting perspective on the middle east. A perspective that shows that Israel isn’t necessarily the vicitm.

It would also be refreshing to see some debates on this message board that don’t end up with name calling after two posts.

Calling an individual an asshole because he or she may hold an opinion that isn’t the consensus is juvenile and immature. It also makes this website look bad.

Dustin

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I just found out this piece of shit white supremacist is in the Armed Forces.

You’re a disgrace, and it’s telling that you haven’t responded about your avatar.

Did you think you were being clever, using obscure symbols instead of the more obvious swastika?

You should be dishonorably discharged and gang raped by both the '72 Knicks and the SUNY-New Paltz chapter of Hillel House.

Say something in your defense, please.

[quote]doogie wrote:
harris447 wrote:

Jews have been thrown out of every country they have ever taken as a home.

Dustin wrote:

Why has this happened? Not all of these countries were ruled by a little man with mustache.

Dannyrat is spot on. Instead of calling him names, maybe some you should seek news sources that aren’t American. You’ll get a new and interesting perspective on the middle east. A perspective that shows that Israel isn’t necessarily the vicitm.

It would also be refreshing to see some debates on this message board that don’t end up with name calling after two posts.

Calling an individual an asshole because he or she may hold an opinion that isn’t the consensus is juvenile and immature. It also makes this website look bad.

Dustin

harris447 wrote:
What flag is that in your avatar?

Because I searched and the information I found on it was very information, especially when it comes to your opinion on Israel.

Enlighten us, please.

I didn’t have the patience to wait for the little Nazi to answer you.

“Some Neo-Nazis also use the name Vinland to describe all or part of North America, and the Vinland flag has become a popular symbol among white supremacist groups.”

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=21143
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=1055
http://web.apc.org/~ara/OTP/OTP19/june8.htm
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=180867[/quote]

I don’t even know why I bother responding since Doogie thinks he has me figure out.

Yes, the flag used to represent North America (Vinland) is my avatar.

“Vinland” is what the Vikings called North America when they arrived in here some five hundred years before Columbus.

The flag design came from a metal band if If I’m not mistaken.

Why the leap from a Vinland flag to National Socialism is beyond me. Why would I subscribe to a political ideology that stifles political discussion and civil liberties?

The tactic that Doogie and Harris are using is quite typical. I ask a question that is not answered and is followed up by labels of anti-semitic or neo-Nazi.

This isn’t the first time I’ve seen people labeled as such for being critical of Israel.

Harris, don’t dodge my original question.

You stated that Jews have been kicked out of every nation that they have lived in. I ask you, why is that the case?

If you reply then we can continue this discussion, otherwise I’m through.

Same goes for you Doogie, answer my question.

Dustin

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Ok, i’ll look out for shoebat’s book, if you read ‘Beyond Intifada’ which details the war crimes of Israel in Gaza, and describes in detail some ways in which people have tried to overcome the colonial conditions.
Also, get Greg Harms’ ‘Israel/palestine’, then i won’t have to explain so much to you.

If you haven’t read the Harms book, your opinion lacks substance. Of course it doesn’t matter, because i’m so bored of whistling against the wind for the benefit of stubborn neocons
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‘Neocon’ is a code word for ‘conservative Jew’, and your remark smacks of anti-semitism. PLEASE correct me. (Or run with it — that’d be more fun!!)

HH

what the hell do you mean what have the arabs done that is good for anybody. Where does the usa get more than 60% of its oil from?Arabs fuel this country. They could cut off the oil supply to the united states and it wouldn’t exist anymore, neither would israel.The only reason arabs dont do that is because the US is their #1 customer. and if they lose them then they lose lots of money. So rememeber who really gives you heat in your home during the winter or gasoline in your car that takes you to work everyday the next time your pumping gas. If you don’t like the arabs then dont be saying what good have they done for anybody while your filling up gas in your car. You can get oil from russia, but they dont really like the us very much do they. or you can use your own oil in alaska, oh wait a minute the pipeline has just closed down and will be closed for the nex several months because of severe eroding because BP didn’t think it was necessary to clean it up. People don’t really notice this, but arabs are the ones who rule the United States and the rest of the world!

what the hell do you mean what have the arabs done that is good for anybody. Where does the usa get more than 60% of its oil from?Arabs fuel this country. They could cut off the oil supply to the united states and it wouldn’t exist anymore, neither would israel.The only reason arabs dont do that is because the US is their #1 customer. and if they lose them then they lose lots of money. So rememeber who really gives you heat in your home during the winter or gasoline in your car that takes you to work everyday the next time your pumping gas. If you don’t like the arabs then dont be saying what good have they done for anybody while your filling up gas in your car. You can get oil from russia, but they dont really like the us very much do they. or you can use your own oil in alaska, oh wait a minute the pipeline has just closed down and will be closed for the nex several months because of severe eroding because BP didn’t think it was necessary to clean it up. People don’t really notice this, but arabs are the ones who rule the United States and the rest of the world!

[quote]pat36 wrote:
This is what I don’t get. The muslims are terrorists. The are extemists in every way, they hate kill and murder, and that is just the begining of the evil the perpetuate, yet all they have to do is portray themselves as victims and dumbasses believe them. Why? What good have they done. Other then to attempt to reduce the earth’s population what have they done that is good for anybody. They do nothing but evil, therefore they are evil. If they do good then I will call them good, but I won’t hold my breath. I hope Isreal wins and wins good. Peace should only be made at the surrender table.[/quote]

what the hell do you mean what have the arabs done that is good for anybody. Where does the usa get more than 60% of its oil from?Arabs fuel this country. They could cut off the oil supply to the united states and it wouldn’t exist anymore, neither would israel.The only reason arabs dont do that is because the US is their #1 customer. and if they lose them then they lose lots of money. So rememeber who really gives you heat in your home during the winter or gasoline in your car that takes you to work everyday the next time your pumping gas. If you don’t like the arabs then dont be saying what good have they done for anybody while your filling up gas in your car. You can get oil from russia, but they dont really like the us very much do they. or you can use your own oil in alaska, oh wait a minute the pipeline has just closed down and will be closed for the nex several months because of severe eroding because BP didn’t think it was necessary to clean it up. People don’t really notice this, but arabs are the ones who rule the United States and the rest of the world!

[quote]pat36 wrote:
This is what I don’t get. The muslims are terrorists. The are extemists in every way, they hate kill and murder, and that is just the begining of the evil the perpetuate, yet all they have to do is portray themselves as victims and dumbasses believe them. Why? What good have they done. Other then to attempt to reduce the earth’s population what have they done that is good for anybody. They do nothing but evil, therefore they are evil. If they do good then I will call them good, but I won’t hold my breath. I hope Isreal wins and wins good. Peace should only be made at the surrender table.[/quote]

what the hell do you mean what have the arabs done that is good for anybody. Where does the usa get more than 60% of its oil from?Arabs fuel this country. They could cut off the oil supply to the united states and it wouldn’t exist anymore, neither would israel.The only reason arabs dont do that is because the US is their #1 customer. and if they lose them then they lose lots of money. So rememeber who really gives you heat in your home during the winter or gasoline in your car that takes you to work everyday the next time your pumping gas. If you don’t like the arabs then dont be saying what good have they done for anybody while your filling up gas in your car. You can get oil from russia, but they dont really like the us very much do they. or you can use your own oil in alaska, oh wait a minute the pipeline has just closed down and will be closed for the nex several months because of severe eroding because BP didn’t think it was necessary to clean it up. People don’t really notice this, but arabs are the ones who rule the United States and the rest of the world!

[quote]pat36 wrote:
This is what I don’t get. The muslims are terrorists. The are extemists in every way, they hate kill and murder, and that is just the begining of the evil the perpetuate, yet all they have to do is portray themselves as victims and dumbasses believe them. Why? What good have they done. Other then to attempt to reduce the earth’s population what have they done that is good for anybody. They do nothing but evil, therefore they are evil. If they do good then I will call them good, but I won’t hold my breath. I hope Isreal wins and wins good. Peace should only be made at the surrender table.[/quote]

responding to pat36

what the hell do you mean what have the arabs done that is good for anybody. Where does the usa get more than 60% of its oil from?Arabs fuel this country. They could cut off the oil supply to the united states and it wouldn’t exist anymore, neither would israel.The only reason arabs dont do that is because the US is their #1 customer. and if they lose them then they lose lots of money. So rememeber who really gives you heat in your home during the winter or gasoline in your car that takes you to work everyday the next time your pumping gas. If you don’t like the arabs then dont be saying what good have they done for anybody while your filling up gas in your car. You can get oil from russia, but they dont really like the us very much do they. or you can use your own oil in alaska, oh wait a minute the pipeline has just closed down and will be closed for the nex several months because of severe eroding because BP didn’t think it was necessary to clean it up. People don’t really notice this, but arabs are the ones who rule the United States and the rest of the world!

An Iraninan told me once, pretty scornfully, that when the arabs turned to islam, they started riding east and west, waving their sabers. When they finally got tired of all the riding and sabre waving, they returned home and thrusted their sabers in the sand. Lo and behold! Oil gushed up.

You have a good point, but honestly was there any need to post it half a dozen times?

[quote]PeCziLLa88 wrote:
pat36 wrote:
This is what I don’t get. The muslims are terrorists. The are extemists in every way, they hate kill and murder, and that is just the begining of the evil the perpetuate, yet all they have to do is portray themselves as victims and dumbasses believe them. Why? What good have they done. Other then to attempt to reduce the earth’s population what have they done that is good for anybody. They do nothing but evil, therefore they are evil. If they do good then I will call them good, but I won’t hold my breath. I hope Isreal wins and wins good. Peace should only be made at the surrender table.

responding to pat36

what the hell do you mean what have the arabs done that is good for anybody. Where does the usa get more than 60% of its oil from?Arabs fuel this country. They could cut off the oil supply to the united states and it wouldn’t exist anymore, neither would israel.The only reason arabs dont do that is because the US is their #1 customer. and if they lose them then they lose lots of money. So rememeber who really gives you heat in your home during the winter or gasoline in your car that takes you to work everyday the next time your pumping gas. If you don’t like the arabs then dont be saying what good have they done for anybody while your filling up gas in your car. You can get oil from russia, but they dont really like the us very much do they. or you can use your own oil in alaska, oh wait a minute the pipeline has just closed down and will be closed for the nex several months because of severe eroding because BP didn’t think it was necessary to clean it up. People don’t really notice this, but arabs are the ones who rule the United States and the rest of the world!
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Gee, what a salient point.

And made so well! Paragraphs and punctuation are for lesser minds.

So, because the Arabs happened–through sheer coincidence–to live atop dead dinosaurs, they’re doing good?

Selling people products is not doing good. Using the money you get from said products to fund terrorism, repressive govenments, and other things that meake the modern world so much of a party is not doing doing good.

Sadly, the Arab world has not made a contribution to civilized society since a gentleman named Al Jibra figured out that if you didn’t know what a number was, you could just use ‘X’.

Thanks for playing,better luck in the next round.

[quote]Dustin wrote:
doogie wrote:
harris447 wrote:

Jews have been thrown out of every country they have ever taken as a home.

Dustin wrote:

Why has this happened? Not all of these countries were ruled by a little man with mustache.

Dannyrat is spot on. Instead of calling him names, maybe some you should seek news sources that aren’t American. You’ll get a new and interesting perspective on the middle east. A perspective that shows that Israel isn’t necessarily the vicitm.

It would also be refreshing to see some debates on this message board that don’t end up with name calling after two posts.

Calling an individual an asshole because he or she may hold an opinion that isn’t the consensus is juvenile and immature. It also makes this website look bad.

Dustin

harris447 wrote:
What flag is that in your avatar?

Because I searched and the information I found on it was very information, especially when it comes to your opinion on Israel.

Enlighten us, please.

I didn’t have the patience to wait for the little Nazi to answer you.

“Some Neo-Nazis also use the name Vinland to describe all or part of North America, and the Vinland flag has become a popular symbol among white supremacist groups.”

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=21143
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=1055
http://web.apc.org/~ara/OTP/OTP19/june8.htm
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=180867

I don’t even know why I bother responding since Doogie thinks he has me figure out.

Yes, the flag used to represent North America (Vinland) is my avatar.

“Vinland” is what the Vikings called North America when they arrived in here some five hundred years before Columbus.

The flag design came from a metal band if If I’m not mistaken.

Why the leap from a Vinland flag to National Socialism is beyond me. Why would I subscribe to a political ideology that stifles political discussion and civil liberties?

The tactic that Doogie and Harris are using is quite typical. I ask a question that is not answered and is followed up by labels of anti-semitic or neo-Nazi.

This isn’t the first time I’ve seen people labeled as such for being critical of Israel.

Harris, don’t dodge my original question.

You stated that Jews have been kicked out of every nation that they have lived in. I ask you, why is that the case?

If you reply then we can continue this discussion, otherwise I’m through.

Same goes for you Doogie, answer my question.

Dustin

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It’s the flag combined with the Thor’s hammer. One would be a coincidence. Both of them spells out a certain poilitcal persuasion.

You’re a piece of shit.

Actually only 20.2% of our oil comes from the Mid East.

Most of it is from Canada, Mexico, Venezuela.

As Freud would say: “You’re projecting your repressed fantasies”

[quote]harris447 wrote:

It’s the flag combined with the Thor’s hammer. One would be a coincidence. Both of them spells out a certain poilitcal persuasion.

You’re a piece of shit.[/quote]

No, they do not spell out a certain political persuausion. They are simply a symbol of North America and its Viking (European) heritage. Both Thor’s Hammer and Vinland (the idea/concept) have been around for centuries.

Your are doing the same thing that other morons do who equate the Confederate battle flag with bigotry and hatred while not having the slightest clue of history.

You know nothing of my political persuasion. If you did a quick search of my previous posts you would see that my political stance is similar to that of the Founders.

You also dodged my question. Quit being a coward and answer it. This is your last chance.

Dustin

[quote]jlesk68 wrote:

You should be dishonorably discharged and gang raped by both the '72 Knicks and the SUNY-New Paltz chapter of Hillel House.

As Freud would say: “You’re projecting your repressed fantasies”[/quote]

Please don’t play amateur psychologist with your Freud quotes. Ask any Psychologist worth their salt…Freud was largely full of shit.

[quote]Dustin wrote:
harris447 wrote:

It’s the flag combined with the Thor’s hammer. One would be a coincidence. Both of them spells out a certain poilitcal persuasion.

You’re a piece of shit.

No, they do not spell out a certain political persuausion. They are simply a symbol of North America and its Viking (European) heritage. Both Thor’s Hammer and Vinland (the idea/concept) have been around for centuries.

Your are doing the same thing that other morons do who equate the Confederate battle flag with bigotry and hatred while not having the slightest clue of history.

You know nothing of my political persuasion. If you did a quick search of my previous posts you would see that my political stance is similar to that of the Founders.

You also dodged my question. Quit being a coward and answer it. This is your last chance.

Dustin

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Dustin,

I read your posts and you have a point. In fact, it’s an interesting thread.

But…

don’t expect much from harris. this, his latest hate filled comment to someone because they simply disagree with him is pretty much on par with how he interacts online, and probably in his personal life as well:

Many ignore him, most tolerate him. But we all know that he has a problem.

Keep going harris…you prove my point everytime you post!