Israel - 'We Are Untouchable'

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
That wasn’t for you. I don’t care what you think you know.

You bring a gun, i’ll bring two guns. Maybe we’ll both die. What a doctrine to live by.

I know it’s not a fair war etc

The point is, Israel can’t have the moral high ground AND kill more than ten times what all terrorists in the world do. Or can they, in your eyes.

If what i wrote about pre-6 day war Palestinanian land being stolen is irrelevant, damn sure the pogroms are out. Did the arabs put the jews through that? NO

Give up, seriously. We should have 2 politics forums on here, 1) for belligerent yanks with no understanding and an endless supply of subjective ethical platitudes, and 2) for everyone else, where we can talk sense

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No, what the Arabs put the Jew through is constant fear that their bus, school, wherever is going to be blown to bits by assholes wearing bombs.

And, rat…if you don’t like how things go around here, then you can go fuck yourself.

And I notice you really didn’t answer any of my points beyond a vague, “Gee whillikers, peace would be great!”

[quote]Dustin wrote:
harris447 wrote:

Jews have been thrown out of every country they have ever taken as a home.

Why has this happened? Not all of these countries were ruled by a little man with mustache.

Dannyrat is spot on. Instead of calling him names, maybe some you should seek news sources that aren’t American. You’ll get a new and interesting perspective on the middle east. A perspective that shows that Israel isn’t necessarily the vicitm.

It would also be refreshing to see some debates on this message board that don’t end up with name calling after two posts.

Calling an individual an asshole because he or she may hold an opinion that isn’t the consensus is juvenile and immature. It also makes this website look bad.

Dustin

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What flag is that in your avatar?

Because I searched and the information I found on it was very informative, especially when it comes to your opinion on Israel.

Enlighten us, please.

[quote]Dustin wrote:
harris447 wrote:


Dannyrat is spot on. Instead of calling him names, maybe some you should seek news sources that aren’t American. You’ll get a new and interesting perspective on the middle east. A perspective that shows that Israel isn’t necessarily the vicitm.


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Danny isn’t saying anything new or unknown. The fact you and others wrongly think that we Americans have not heard and read it all before makes me wonder about you.

[quote]harris447 wrote:

Jews have been thrown out of every country they have ever taken as a home.

Dustin wrote:

Why has this happened? Not all of these countries were ruled by a little man with mustache.

Dannyrat is spot on. Instead of calling him names, maybe some you should seek news sources that aren’t American. You’ll get a new and interesting perspective on the middle east. A perspective that shows that Israel isn’t necessarily the vicitm.

It would also be refreshing to see some debates on this message board that don’t end up with name calling after two posts.

Calling an individual an asshole because he or she may hold an opinion that isn’t the consensus is juvenile and immature. It also makes this website look bad.

Dustin

harris447 wrote:
What flag is that in your avatar?

Because I searched and the information I found on it was very information, especially when it comes to your opinion on Israel.

Enlighten us, please.

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I didn’t have the patience to wait for the little Nazi to answer you.

“Some Neo-Nazis also use the name Vinland to describe all or part of North America, and the Vinland flag has become a popular symbol among white supremacist groups.”

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=21143
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=1055
http://web.apc.org/~ara/OTP/OTP19/june8.htm
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=180867

Lets be clear. I don’t subscribe to any of this [quote]
A newspaper reporter once asked the owner of Vinland Winds, a man who identifies himself as “Grimnir Wotansvolk,” to explain his vision for the future. “Easy,” Grimnir replied. “We would export all the niggers, Jews and newspaper reporters back to a little town called Tel Aviv, where they would be forced to toss Ariel Sharon’s salad.”

Based in New York, Vinland Winds mostly sells CDs by National Socialist Black Metal bands, many of them European. It also has collaborated with other music labels, including the National Alliance-owned NSBM label Unholy Records, to produce original recordings from bands like the black metal group Grom.

The Vinland Winds Web page, which features drawings of Celtic warriors brandishing swords, links to a site dedicated to freeing convicted German neo-Nazi child-murderer Hendrik M?bus.
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Yo dustin, is that flag in your avatar a vinland?

It’s strange though, on of the websites had a guy chatting about O neg blood potency, that’s my blood. Is that true? I don’t get sick ever really

I wanted to encourage everyone on both sides of this issue to buy Walid Shoebat’s book, WHY I LEFT jIHAD.

It should stiffen the resolve of people dedicated to fighting terrorism.

It may open the mind of those who are on the fence about this war.

Finally, it will destroy many of the basic errors in judgement espoused by supporters of hezbollah and other fanatics.

For the people who like to run their mouths without doing any real research or learning facts, I’ve included a lazy man’s link:

From a CNN interview:

www.seraphicpress.com/archives/2006/07/cnn_interview_w.php

JeffR

[quote]ALDurr wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
You need to resort to name calling since you have nothing of substance but the usual Fox news watching, brainwashed rhetoric.

harris447 watching FOX News and actually believing them? If you believe that, then you really are out of touch with reality![/quote]

Me agreeing with Al and Harry in the political forum?

I think there is some merit to this being the end times.

[quote]Dustin wrote:
harris447 wrote:

Jews have been thrown out of every country they have ever taken as a home.

Why has this happened? Not all of these countries were ruled by a little man with mustache.

Dannyrat is spot on. Instead of calling him names, maybe some you should seek news sources that aren’t American. You’ll get a new and interesting perspective on the middle east. A perspective that shows that Israel isn’t necessarily the vicitm.

It would also be refreshing to see some debates on this message board that don’t end up with name calling after two posts.

Calling an individual an asshole because he or she may hold an opinion that isn’t the consensus is juvenile and immature. It also makes this website look bad.

Dustin

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Go back to Stormfront.

[quote]harris447 wrote:
Do you not understand that every country around Israel wants her utter destruction?
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"A renowned genius once asked a student, “What are you watching when you sit on a hillside in the late afternoon as the colors turn from yellow to orange and red and finally darkness?” He answered, “You are watching the sunset.” The genius responded, “That is what is wrong with our age. You know full well you are not watching the sun set. You are watching the world turn.”
(Jeremy Kagan, “The Jewish Self”)

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”
(David Ben-Gurion, May 1948)


The UN Report Prepared in 1948 for Ralphe Bunche, New UN Commissioner to Palestine

Foreword: In view of the tragic assassination of Count Folke Bernadotte by identified Jewish terrorists on September 17 of this year, the following report has been prepared for the use of Dr. Bunche, Count Bernadotte’s immediate replacement.

This report is a compilation of all identified terrorist attacks on British, American and Arab individuals and entities in the assassination of the British Resident Minister in the Middle East on November 6, 1944 by members of the terrorist Jewish Stern gang to the assassination of Count Bernadotte on September 17, 1948 by members of this same gang of fanatics.

This information is compiled from reports of the US Department of State, the British Foreign Office and various American and British press services.

New York, October 1, 1948…

[excerpt]
November 30- December 6, 1947, Palestine. A week of disorders brought on by Arab wrath over the UN’s decision to partition the Holy Land ended with at least 159 killed in the Middle East, 66 in Palestine. While Jews in Palestine, Europe and the US. celebrated and began planning their new state and the UN moved to implement its plan, war talk was rife throughout the Arab world…

…It becomes clearly evident that the partition is not going as planned and that although the Jews are pleased, the Arabs are not. There appears to be no way to control the Jews or their determination to drive all of the Arabs out of Jerusalem by force if necessary. The Arabs, initially living in peace with the Jewish minority, have been increasingly victimized by the Jews who, now that the British are leaving, are turning their savage behavior against them. The Jews have redoubled their efforts to build a military force and arm them. They claim that this force is to protect the Jewish population against attacks from the Arab countries as well as the Arab population of Jerusalem but an even stronger argument can be made that the Zionists are determined to drive out the Arab population by armed force. The initial Arab response to Jewish harassment over the past year has been very slow in coming but it seems to be quite inevitable and a terrible civil war is foreseen.
http://www.doublestandards.org/unbunche.html

Israel ‘may have 200 nuclear weapons’
BBC
August 23, 2000
Israel is now the only state with nuclear weapons that does not admit to having such weapons. It has always refused to allow international inspection of the Dimona facility, and is among the few states that have refused to sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty.

“We must define our position and lay down basic principles for a settlement. Our demands should be moderate and balanced, and appear to be reasonable. But in fact they must involve such conditions as to ensure that the enemy rejects them. Then we should manoeuvre and allow him to define his own position, and reject a settlement on the basis of a compromise position. We should then publish his demands as embodying unreasonable extremism.”

  • Yehoshafat Harkabi, November 2, 1973

If Joe Blow tells me he’s constantly surrounded by “assholes” - it’s probably a good bet Joes’ the “asshole”

[quote]pat36 wrote:
This is what I don’t get. The muslims are terrorists. The are extemists in every way, they hate kill and murder, and that is just the begining of the evil the perpetuate, yet all they have to do is portray themselves as victims and dumbasses believe them. Why? What good have they done. Other then to attempt to reduce the earth’s population what have they done that is good for anybody. They do nothing but evil, therefore they are evil. If they do good then I will call them good, but I won’t hold my breath. I hope Isreal wins and wins good. Peace should only be made at the surrender table.[/quote]

Once again, another beyond-retarded post equating Islam with terrorism. The two things are NOT synonymous you know??? Also, where are you getting your information from? Have you not seen that atrocities have been committed by both sides? Have you not seen the number of innocent civilians slaughtered by Israel?? Can you not possibly see that some Muslims from the Lebanon/Gaza Strip/Palestine area may feel just a little bit put out that the West randomly created Jewish nation in their back yard?? Can you not see that they may feel just a teensy weensy bit helpless against the percieved oppression of American-sponsored Israel? Can you not also see that this notion is given credence by Bush and Blairs failure to call for a cease fire? And can you not see how all of these factors combined may lead you to act in an extreme manner to get your point accross?

[quote]ALDurr wrote:
jlesk68 wrote:
You need to resort to name calling since you have nothing of substance but the usual Fox news watching, brainwashed rhetoric.

harris447 watching FOX News and actually believing them? If you believe that, then you really are out of touch with reality![/quote]

That WAS hilarious! Jlesk is in serious need of about 4 Spikes, to bring him out of his coma.

HH

[quote]dannyrat wrote:

Terrorists are the enemy. If Israel is to be ‘the good one’ the above must change. It’ll make coexistence easier.
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Expecting Israel to ‘coexist’ with terrorists! NOW this thread is showing true potential! Keep it going, Dannyrat; this is GOLD!!

HH

Ok, i’ll look out for shoebat’s book, if you read ‘Beyond Intifada’ which details the war crimes of Israel in Gaza, and describes in detail some ways in which people have tried to overcome the colonial conditions.
Also, get Greg Harms’ ‘Israel/palestine’, then i won’t have to explain so much to you.

If you haven’t read the Harms book, your opinion lacks substance. Of course it doesn’t matter, because i’m so bored of whistling against the wind for the benefit of stubborn neocons

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Ok, i’ll look out for shoebat’s book, if you read ‘Beyond Intifada’ which details the war crimes of Israel in Gaza, and describes in detail some ways in which people have tried to overcome the colonial conditions.
Also, get Greg Harms’ ‘Israel/palestine’, then i won’t have to explain so much to you.

If you haven’t read the Harms book, your opinion lacks substance. Of course it doesn’t matter, because i’m so bored of whistling against the wind for the benefit of stubborn neocons
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Interesting how the brainiac only reads about one side of the conflict and then has the stones to tell you that unless you are reading what he is reading - you have no substance.

I thought education was about opening your mind and getting ALL the info you can.

You sound l more like you were indoctrinated, and have lost your ability to think for yourself.

The King David Hotel bombing (July 22, 1946) was a bombing attack against the British government of Palestine by members of Irgun ? a militant Zionist organization, classified as a terrorist organization both by the British authorities and several Jewish organizations, such as the Jewish Agency, Haganah and Histadrut.

The Irgun, dressed as Arabs, exploded a bomb at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which had been the base for the British Secretariat, the military command and a branch of the Criminal Investigation Division (police). 91 people were killed, most of them civilians: 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 other. Around 45 people were injured.

The attack was initially ordered by Menachem Begin, the head of the Irgun, who would later become Israeli Prime Minister. The attack was commanded by Yosef Avni and Yisrael Levi.

The attack on the hotel was the deadliest attack against the British in the history of the Mandate. Some claim this act should be considered in light of the escalating violence in the region and the conflict between the three main forces in the region: British, Jewish and Arab. In particular, the attack was made in retaliation for the British mass arrests (Operation Agatha) of June 29 1946, when British troops raided the Jewish Agency and confiscated large quantities of documents, such as information about Jewish Agency operations, including intelligence activities in Arab countries. At about the same time, more than 2,500 Jews from all over Palestine were placed under arrest. A large number of seized documents were taken to the hotel. However, the bomb attack had already been planned…
…In July 2006, right-wing Israelis including Binyamin Netanyahu attended a 60th anniversary celebration of the bombing, which was organized by the Menachem Begin Centre. The British Ambassador in Tel Aviv and the Consul-General in Jerusalem complained, saying “We do not think that it is right for an act of terrorism, which led to the loss of many lives, to be commemorated.”. They also protested an Israeli plaque that claims that people died because the British ignored warning calls, saying it was untrue and “did not absolve those who planted the bomb”. The plaque reads "For reasons known only to the British, the hotel was not evacuated?

Read what jlesk wrote. Who are you to say about indoctrination?

[quote]dannyrat wrote:
Read what jlesk wrote. Who are you to say about indoctrination?[/quote]

jlesk agrees with you, and if you were to actually read all of his posts - he is a junior JTF.

Your indoctrination is independent of what others may or may not post.

Anybody aside from me seeing a pattern here? This issue being argued is perpetual and goes back and forth over and over. It boils down to, “He started it!” The Jews did this, the Arabs did this, but they did this first, etc. etc. Same old shit

These two moronic entities have been killing each other over a piece of fucking sand for countless years, each to no avail. And you all try to convince one another that one side is right, when there is no ‘right’ in a siutation that’s entirely wrong.

This isn’t about what’s wrong with Israel, or what’s wrong with Islamic nations, or terrorists, or Zionists, whatever the fuck you may define these people as. It’s about what’s wrong with humanity, it’s the problem that instead of having the simple God damn sense to say, “Let’s just let their country be, and we can all share this holy land for whatever religion we may believe in, and then God will truly smile upon all of us for not murdering each other” - they instead choose to just keep killing, like it really matters anymore.

If you’re an American, as I am, I suggest you just turn your back on the issue. These people are hopeless, they will never change, they’re all ignorant jerkoffs, regardless of which side they’re on. Until these fanatical jackasses fully comprehend that what they’ve been doing all these years has not improved the quality of lfie for either of them, they’re going to keep wasting their lives fighting for nothing. Not my country - fuck 'em.

[quote]juninho wrote:
pat36 wrote:
This is what I don’t get. The muslims are terrorists. The are extemists in every way, they hate kill and murder, and that is just the begining of the evil the perpetuate, yet all they have to do is portray themselves as victims and dumbasses believe them. Why? What good have they done. Other then to attempt to reduce the earth’s population what have they done that is good for anybody. They do nothing but evil, therefore they are evil. If they do good then I will call them good, but I won’t hold my breath. I hope Isreal wins and wins good. Peace should only be made at the surrender table.

Once again, another beyond-retarded post equating Islam with terrorism. The two things are NOT synonymous you know??? Also, where are you getting your information from? Have you not seen that atrocities have been committed by both sides? Have you not seen the number of innocent civilians slaughtered by Israel?? Can you not possibly see that some Muslims from the Lebanon/Gaza Strip/Palestine area may feel just a little bit put out that the West randomly created Jewish nation in their back yard?? Can you not see that they may feel just a teensy weensy bit helpless against the percieved oppression of American-sponsored Israel? Can you not also see that this notion is given credence by Bush and Blairs failure to call for a cease fire? And can you not see how all of these factors combined may lead you to act in an extreme manner to get your point accross?

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There is no point worth walking onto a bus with a bomb strapped to you.

clearly there is to some people.