Is Your Workout Wasting Your Time

“Absolutely people can get strong from compound movements only. What type of training do you think strongman competitors employ? Not tricep kickbacks!”

Awesome answer. I totally agree. Actually I agreed with your entire post…maybe we’re even speaking the same language on this one :stuck_out_tongue:

One thing though is that some people call themselves bodybuilders even though they have no intention of ever competing and all they really care about is getting strong. I totally agree with isolation for aesthetic and rehabilitation purposes. For general improvement of strength there has been very little research that suggests isolation exercises will transfer and help with compound movements. Obviously some does, but they say not really enough to make a big enough difference to spend a lot of extra time doing those exercises.

Even that fad where the bosu and balance board exercises is outdated. The research is now suggesting that type of balance minimally transfers over into athletics and is pretty much a waste of time. Again, not useless if you are rehab-ing or just trying to build up postural core stability.

I think the only statement in the article I disagree with, with regards to the general population doing the program suggested, is him suggesting that bodyweight is enough. For some people that is correct, but in order to gain strength you have to challenge your body.

He may have been looking at it from a liability point of view though…Probably not a great option for him to tell millions of people over the internet to go and lift as much as they can so they can get stronger…Think McDonalds having to put the Hot Drink Inside label on their coffee cups…People try and sue for anything.

Sic, are you a trainer or do you have a trainer? Not being sarcastic or meaning anything horrible by that. Just curious that’s all.

I am not a trainer. I have worked with trainers in the past but do not have one currently. I don’t really require one at the moment due to the fact that I’m pregnant and due to deliver any day. :slight_smile:

[quote]sic wrote:
I am not a trainer. I have worked with trainers in the past but do not have one currently. I don’t really require one at the moment due to the fact that I’m pregnant and due to deliver any day. :)[/quote]

YAYAYAYAYAY sic!! Keep us posted!

Hey Sic, can you do this?.. lol jk, I wouldn’t even reccommend you do this…Probably not the baby’s best option…

media.crossfit.com/cf-video/sakamoto-pull-ups.wmv

On a more serious note…you wouldn’t believe the number of clients I get who can’t even hold a plank for longer than 20-30s…It’s pretty sad. There are also a lot of people with poor gait patterns and unbalanced posture. Without a solid base there is no sense in trying to lift heavy.

I have some clients that do not even touch weights…all they work on is core and scapular stabilization until they have a solid posture and are ready to lift more than a 5lb dumbbell. I think this is another reason why the article advocates for whole body and body weight movements. Build the base first and then move up.

One more thing about the article…I think it’s a good thing that he is insistent that people stay away from isolation exercises because there are so many people that work out and have no clue about training and balance so they overwork some muscles and underwork a lot of other ones. Obviously this can lead to injury…

[quote]sic wrote:
Some of the comments made me go “hmmm.” Here is a basic overview for those of you who don’t want to read 4 pages worth.

the exercisers slaving away on other stationary machines are building individual muscles in place of whole-body strength

While I agree that free weights rule, show me a machine exercise that uses only one muscle. I’d really like to learn how to isolate my opponens digiti minimi. :slight_smile: And how do individual muscles not contribute to whole body strength?

If you have a limited amount of time to work out, you’re better off ditching the machine to do different kinds of body-weight and whole-body exercises. You’ll get more caloric burn for your time spent

Ok, I agree that if you can only train twice a week, total body workouts might be for you. But this is the old potato / pahtato argument. TBT vs. splits. I’ve found both to be very effective even if I only train 30-45 minutes per day.

Researchers, for instance, have known that the leg-extension machine… trains you to do just one thing: become very strong at the leg-extension machine. The seated leg-extension machine has nothing to do with how we use our legs…

Ummm, ok. So you never flex or extend your leg in daily activity?

The leg press is equally disconnected from the reality of human anatomy. There are no motor-control requirements on a leg-press machine… In real-life tasks, you have to balance on one leg, you have to sidestep, and you have to get all the muscles to coordinate together.

Now this is silliness. Why do I get the feeling that they are about to suggest squats on a bosu ball as a more real-life exercise?

I don’t think fitness happens best in isolation… This is hard stuff, and it’s a lot easier to share hard stuff than do it yourself. At the clubs, you are going to be turned loose on the machines, and a machine is like an isolation booth.

I don’t know about you, but no one helps me deadlift. All he is doing here is getting ready to advance the idea that we should train in a group or class based atmosphere (think CrossFit) for maximum results.

perhaps the best evidence against traditional clubs is that these days most elite athletes rarely step into one… A functional training approach to fitness stresses the training of movements over muscles… The main purpose of FT is to bridge the gap between absolute strength and functional strength… FT discourages the use of machines in favor of free weights, body-weight exercises, and certain devices used in physical therapy, such as medicine balls, stability balls, wobble boards, and resistance bands.

First off, most of us aren’t training for sport and don’t need to train like a football player would. Secondly, doesn’t this type of training require that individuals (or gyms) go out and find trainers and buy new equipment? Isn’t this just a new way for the fitness industry to make more money?

In 2001, Gregg Glassman founded CrossFit, a back-to-basics functional-training program that’s popular with the military and law enforcement

Ah hah!

Aerobics areas often have smaller classes that utilize free weights, dumbbells, and different types of balance mechanisms

And we all know how much muscle and strength these will build.

While men have traditionally avoided classes, more and more are participating in small group exercises… Some guys worry that they’ll lose bulk, but that’s a misperception. You can still make strength and mass gains, and the advantage is that your body will be in better balance.

Not in aerobics/pink dumbbell classes you can’t! If I did this my workout would be wasting my time.

Train on your feet. Once you sit, you lose your body’s natural anchor: the muscles of the back, butt, abdominal core, and legs. Ground-based training immediately puts an end to a host of outdated free-weight lifts, including the bench press, military press, incline press…

I’d like to see them try to prove that powerlifters at a bench meet are only using their pecs and biceps to bench.

Train movements, not muscles. For the lower body, lunge, step-down, and squat drills are all it takes, and body weight alone is usually more than enough load.

All it takes to do what? Make sure you stay weak and small?

This article is really just about promoting “functional training” to replace traditional methods. Although they seem to promote free weights, you can tell that they would rather have you balancing on a wobble board while holding pink dumbbells that you (in one motion) curl and press overhead. This does nothing to advance training methods.

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I think Chad and few others are cringing at a few of your comments,especially since you said you like New Rules for Women lifting.
Standing is always better, you took the bench as 1 example and ran with it as your platform :slight_smile: :slight_smile: be nice :slight_smile:

[quote]Bearhawk wrote:
…especially since you said you like New Rules for Women lifting.[/quote]

No I didn’t. I never read the book nor I do know anything about the training/diet. I said I like the idea of women training like men… because that is what I do and it works for me.

my ex husband put a massage pad on his ab lounger and now its a massage chair. He uses the total body gym for a tool bench. The rowing machine he broke up for parts. The speed glider (where your feet go back and forth in a smiley face) is now a clothes rack.
has anyone had success with these machines?
except the short little bowflex dude? :slight_smile:

As I began reading through this thread, all I could think was:

All these broads fighting is getting me pretty hot.

As I read further and tanimal and Sic started to speak the same language all I could think was:

I really hope this thread ends with Sic, OG, JillyBop and Yo Momma putting on bikinis that match tanimal’s and everyone having a group hug.

[quote]sen say wrote:

I really hope this thread ends with Sic, OG, JillyBop and Yo Momma putting on bikinis that match tanimal’s and everyone having a group hug.

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You’re the first guy that didn’t want to see us jello wrestle. Naked.

Maybe that would finally get Sic’s labor started! :smiley:

[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
sen say wrote:

I really hope this thread ends with Sic, OG, JillyBop and Yo Momma putting on bikinis that match tanimal’s and everyone having a group hug.

You’re the first guy that didn’t want to see us jello wrestle. Naked.
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Naked jello wrestling is demeaning to broads…

[quote]Jillybop wrote:
Maybe that would finally get Sic’s labor started! :smiley:
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If that’s what it takes…I’m in…

Chinese food always worked for She Say…

Entertaining thread. :slight_smile:

At risk of stating the obvious, Crossfit is some kind of trademarked training program, cause it seems to be to be a fancy name for circuit training…

Did you guys catch the Berardi interview on YouTube, promoting GN 2? He’s a great interviewee; had the hostess charmed.

My dad actually listened to him on the bit about healthy fats and processed carbs, thank god.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
sic wrote:
This greated me on MSN this morning.

http://health.msn.com/fitness/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100184336&page=1

Thoughts?

It’s a good article. The vast majority of gym-goers do rely way too much on single-joint, machine exercises. And low-intensity, low-result cardio. Of course, the way most of us train here is not a waste of time.[/quote]

Most peoples workouts I see are vanity based, effort-less, pansy-wad, social hour with checking the cell between set(s) of concentration sissy boy workouts. Makes me want to vomit in disgust… I realize some people train for a more aesthetic look, but damnit people if you want to build a good foundation YOU HAVE TO build mass and lifting Barbie and Ken dumbbells just aint quite cutting it!

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