Is The Progress Any Good?

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]mojo_ wrote:

actually didnt the 1x a week thing become popular right around the time steriods also became huge aswell…coincidence? I think you will find ‘traditional’ training was 3x a week bp for anyone that had a half decent physique back then.

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So, steroids, which decrease recovery time and increase protein anabolism…somehow make it so muscles recover LESS efficiently so that now everyone works once a week because they are all on steroids?

LOL WUT?

If anything, those who think steroids make that much of a difference in training should expect training frequency to INCREASE.

The truth is, the same shit works for you just as it does for many pro bodybuilders barring their possible ability to train for longer periods of time in one session.

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[quote]mojo_ wrote:

actually didnt the 1x a week thing become popular right around the time steriods also became huge aswell…coincidence? I think you will find ‘traditional’ training was 3x a week bp for anyone that had a half decent physique back then.

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Dig that hole any deeper and you will get relegated to troll status real quick. If anything, steroids would allow for MORE frequency, due to increased recovery. If you actually new what you were talking about, you would have understood this. I’m beginning to regret posting in this thread.

Edit: Damn X, I heard about the time traveling posts, but never seen one. Amazing.

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[quote]mojo_ wrote:
…actually didnt the 1x a week thing become popular right around the time steriods also became huge aswell…coincidence? I think you will find ‘traditional’ training was 3x a week bp for anyone that had a half decent physique back then.

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If this were posted in the Beginners forum, you might not get the ass-assault I expect is coming.

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[quote]mr popular wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
sam_sneed wrote:
mojo_ wrote:

From what I read its suposedly harder to add a rep than increment weight, so if I’m struggling to increment a small amount of weight I’m not sure another rep is possible… I guess I could add more volume/sets though…

Stop reading so much and like other’s have already stated, start working out like a normal person. The workout you have sucks. I’m past my newbies gains and still get some type of person best on a lift almost every workout. Whether it’s reps or increasing weight. If you’re not making progressive you’re not working out hard enough. You got chubby off the split so you blame the split?

I did:

Day 1: 3 Chest + 1 tricep exercise
Day 2: Back/biceps
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: shoulder/triceps
Day 5: Legs Abs
Day 6: Rest or lagging body part (for me it was arms)
Day 7: Rest

and got alot stronger.

I can’t for the life of me see how this is a good workout routine, the general opinion from studys etc is a muscle is ready to go again after 48-72 hours why would you wait a whole 7 days to work it again? Seems like a waste of time no offence man.

You’ve got to be KIDDING ME

Why do people feel the need to base their entire training philosophy around what some study says about how quickly a geriatric old lady’s thigh recovers from doing 3 sets of leg extensions.

The truth is there have NEVER been ANY long-term studies done to determine what is the best way to take a person from skinny and weak, to muscular and strong, detailing diet and training over the course of several years. There have only been very brief studies, measuring very minor things, almost always done out of the context of traditional bodybuilding goals or atmosphere.

The most scientific information we have is the trial and error done by bodybuilders over the last century. There is a reason traditional training BECAME traditional, and it isn’t because it’s “cool”, it’s because it works.[/quote]

While it’s true that there have been scant few studies of that magnitude over long periods of time there have been some. The peer review process of these is sometimes dubious but they do exist. Not to mention the fact that every success story in lifting, strongman, BB et al is pretty closely documented at least to the point that basic recommendations can be made based on them.

However (OP) as has already been mentioned, if this isn’t working for you as planned there is no sin in temporarily abandoning it for a higher intensity lower frequency program at least as an experiment. If though you still fail to progress it may not be the programs fault.

I’m a huge proponent of going back to basics when progress stalls.

You say your diet is solid - fair enough. How’s your sleep? Are you hittin the booze very regularly? What kind of stress are you under?

Have you had anyone professionally critique your form on your lifts? Do you train with a partner? Is this person the kind who gabs at you the whole time, jokes around and ruins your concentration, or are they serious and dedicated, ready to help you succeed and improve?

Just some things to think about or ask yourself.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
mojo_ wrote:

actually didnt the 1x a week thing become popular right around the time steriods also became huge aswell…coincidence? I think you will find ‘traditional’ training was 3x a week bp for anyone that had a half decent physique back then.

So, steroids, which decrease recovery time and increase protein anabolism…somehow make it so muscles recover LESS efficiently so that now everyone works once a week because they are all on steroids?

LOL WUT?

If anything, those who think steroids make that much of a difference in training should expect training frequency to INCREASE.

The truth is, the same shit works for you just as it does for many pro bodybuilders barring their possible ability to train for longer periods of time in one session.[/quote]

They also decrease catabolism correct?

From the BBB book (i suppose you think thats gaarbage too right.)

‘because of this, bodybuilders must be particulary concerned with the question of how long they can rest how long they can rest without losing the muscle tissue they have gained. The bulgarions found that atrophy begun 72 hours after the last stress or excercise was applied. Therefore, you do not want to rest any longer than 72 hours (three days) to protect the growth you have made.’

So lets get this straight the old skool pre steroid bodybuilders are all wrong, the bulgarians are all wrong, people who say they have used the BBB system with more sucess than anything else like Moddok on these forums (whos still el natural?)is wrong, Alywn Cosgrove who since opening his gym (years ago) recorded the results of every person who was trained in his gym and looked at who made the best progress is wrong…but some guy called professor X on an internet forum whos most likely on STUPID AMOUNTS OF JUICE is correct? LOL fuck off man seriously.

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[quote]mojo_ wrote:
Professor X wrote:
mojo_ wrote:

actually didnt the 1x a week thing become popular right around the time steriods also became huge aswell…coincidence? I think you will find ‘traditional’ training was 3x a week bp for anyone that had a half decent physique back then.

So, steroids, which decrease recovery time and increase protein anabolism…somehow make it so muscles recover LESS efficiently so that now everyone works once a week because they are all on steroids?

LOL WUT?

If anything, those who think steroids make that much of a difference in training should expect training frequency to INCREASE.

The truth is, the same shit works for you just as it does for many pro bodybuilders barring their possible ability to train for longer periods of time in one session.

They also decrease catabolism correct?

From the BBB book (i suppose you think thats gaarbage too right.)

‘because of this, bodybuilders must be particulary concerned with the question of how long they can rest how long they can rest without losing the muscle tissue they have gained. The bulgarions found that atrophy begun 72 hours after the last stress or excercise was applied. Therefore, you do not want to rest any longer than 72 hours (three days) to protect the growth you have made.’

So lets get this straight the old skool pre steroid bodybuilders are all wrong, the bulgarians are all wrong, people who say they have used the BBB system with more sucess than anything else like Moddok on these forums (whos still el natural?)is wrong, Alywn Cosgrove who since opening his gym (years ago) recorded the results of every person who was trained in his gym and looked at who made the best progress is wrong…but some guy called professor X on an internet forum whos most likely on STUPID AMOUNTS OF JUICE is correct? LOL fuck off man seriously.[/quote]

If you think that high frequency is the way to go, just fucking do it and shut the hell up. If you don’t want advice from people more knowledgeable and BIGGER than you, stop posting. I now feel dumber having read your post. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

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Why do I barely read this forum anymore? Oh yeah… threads like this.

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[quote]mojo_ wrote:
…So lets get this straight the old skool pre steroid bodybuilders are all wrong, the bulgarians are all wrong, people who say they have used the BBB system with more sucess than anything else like Moddok on these forums (whos still el natural?)is wrong, Alywn Cosgrove who since opening his gym (years ago) recorded the results of every person who was trained in his gym and looked at who made the best progress is wrong…but some guy called professor X on an internet forum whos most likely on STUPID AMOUNTS OF JUICE is correct? LOL fuck off man seriously.[/quote]

I don’t think using the Bulgarian (Olympic Lifters) or Cosgrove (fat burning/ conditioning) are optimum arguments for bodybuilding (ie:getting bigger) purposes.
also re the Bulgarians: how can you be sure they weren’t ‘enhanced’ during training?
Not that I’d ever cast aspersions on athletes with as clean a track record as the Bulgarian National Team.

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[quote]Mad_Duck wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
…actually didnt the 1x a week thing become popular right around the time steriods also became huge aswell…coincidence? I think you will find ‘traditional’ training was 3x a week bp for anyone that had a half decent physique back then.

If this were posted in the Beginners forum, you might not get the ass-assault I expect is coming. [/quote]

Sure he would! It just wouldn’t have as much weight behind it (I only weigh 205).

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[quote]Mad_Duck wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
…So lets get this straight the old skool pre steroid bodybuilders are all wrong, the bulgarians are all wrong, people who say they have used the BBB system with more sucess than anything else like Moddok on these forums (whos still el natural?)is wrong, Alywn Cosgrove who since opening his gym (years ago) recorded the results of every person who was trained in his gym and looked at who made the best progress is wrong…but some guy called professor X on an internet forum whos most likely on STUPID AMOUNTS OF JUICE is correct? LOL fuck off man seriously.

I don’t think using the Bulgarian (Olympic Lifters) or Cosgrove (fat burning/ conditioning) are optimum arguments for bodybuilding (ie:getting bigger) purposes.
also re the Bulgarians: how can you be sure they weren’t ‘enhanced’ during training?
Not that I’d ever cast aspersions on athletes with as clean a track record as the Bulgarian National Team. [/quote]

lol Cosgrove doesnt just get people lean.

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Mojo_, use some basic logic here. You jumped on the high-freq bandwagon and you’re having trouble making progress. Short-term solution with long-term gains: try something else. If it’s not working, ditch it.

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[quote]Scott M wrote:
Why do I barely read this forum anymore? Oh yeah… threads like this. [/quote]

Arnt you the guy thats a big time supporter of DC training? Isnt the whole idea of his methods to train a bodypart as frequently as possible - for more growth spurts per year ‘52vs156’ adding weight as often as possible. What do you think of the people supporting the 1x a week BP training here…perhaps you would like to chime in? I bet you won’t though sigh…wheres that Moddok guy who posts around here to, who also completey disagrees with that way of doing things and probably looks better than most of you NATURALLY?

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[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Mojo_, use some basic logic here. You jumped on the high-freq bandwagon and you’re having trouble making progress. Short-term solution with long-term gains: try something else. If it’s not working, ditch it.

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but what I was doing before yeilded nothing but fat. Like I said what I’m doing now is atleast getting me some progress, why would I go back and do what gave me none what so ever hows that logical???

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Troll season again?

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[quote]mojo_ wrote:
Scott M wrote:
Why do I barely read this forum anymore? Oh yeah… threads like this.

Arnt you the guy thats a big time supporter of DC training? Isnt the whole idea of his methods to train a bodypart as frequently as possible - for more growth spurts per year ‘52vs156’ adding weight as often as possible. What do you think of the people supporting the 1x a week BP training here…perhaps you would like to chime in? I bet you won’t though sigh…wheres that Moddok guy who posts around here to, who also completey disagrees with that way of doing things and probably looks better than most of you NATURALLY?[/quote]

It’s Modok, and I’d be quite surprised if he leapt to your defense.

re the DC stuff, it’s technically a bodypart split (with overlap), (ABA one week, BAB the next) That’s each bodypart 3 times in two weeks, or averaging 1.5 times a week (half of your volume. (I’d say half of your body involvement too, but cueball already pointed out that you’re not working legs)). This is ONE frequency that MANY really big fuckers have found to be optimal for veteran trainers. Disclaimer: I’ve got a hunch that DC would not be an ideal fit for you.

concerning the cast-in-stone 72 hour ‘muscle atrophy window’ or whatever, again it’s a question of what your primary goal is (size/strength/endurance), I’m pretty sure I’ve got one of the NSCA charts kicking around somewhere that shows optimum STRENGTH recovery closer to 96 hours (as your original post seemed to be more concerned with weight on the bar / than optimum muscle growth) ← That’s pretty meaningless though. Rather than playing it by the book, why not see what your body tells you? Do you think the recovery time for a: 19 year old athlete with access to optimal food & 8 hours of sleep will be equal to a: 40 year old woman with kids, working for minimum wage & eating junk food?

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Troll season again?
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for going agaisnt the grain? ok then…

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There’s more than one way to do things, just find what works for you. And if you haven’t become developed because of your methods than you shouldn’t be talking shit against what others do anyways.

/fail thread

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[quote]mojo_ wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Troll season again?

for going agaisnt the grain? ok then…[/quote]

No, but that’s obviously the easy answer to give.

How come you haven’t responded to the rest of the points that Mad Duck has made? You are picking and choosing minor points that vaguely support what ever agenda you are supporting. THAT is why you are losing more and more credibility with every post you make.

Having an opinion is fine. But bitching out and not answering valid questions will get you nowhere.

And dont try to argue with what I’ve just said. That only displays exactly what I am talking about.

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[quote]mojo_ wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Troll season again?

for going agaisnt the grain? ok then…[/quote]

Plenty of other idiots with no common sense on here, so you’re not going against the grain at all.
What are you, 13?

Read your opening post again and think really hard about what you should actually have written if you seriously wanted people to help you out.

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