BTW, I switched off after his initial post made it clear he was looking to detect 150gram increases in size after every workout as a measure of success, accompanied by the 6000cal per day diet…LOL
[quote]Mad_Duck wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
Scott M wrote:
Why do I barely read this forum anymore? Oh yeah… threads like this.
Arnt you the guy thats a big time supporter of DC training? Isnt the whole idea of his methods to train a bodypart as frequently as possible - for more growth spurts per year ‘52vs156’ adding weight as often as possible. What do you think of the people supporting the 1x a week BP training here…perhaps you would like to chime in? I bet you won’t though sigh…wheres that Moddok guy who posts around here to, who also completey disagrees with that way of doing things and probably looks better than most of you NATURALLY?
It’s Modok, and I’d be quite surprised if he leapt to your defense.
re the DC stuff, it’s technically a bodypart split (with overlap), (ABA one week, BAB the next) That’s each bodypart 3 times in two weeks, or averaging 1.5 times a week (half of your volume. (I’d say half of your body involvement too, but cueball already pointed out that you’re not working legs)). This is ONE frequency that MANY really big fuckers have found to be optimal for veteran trainers. Disclaimer: I’ve got a hunch that DC would not be an ideal fit for you.
concerning the cast-in-stone 72 hour ‘muscle atrophy window’ or whatever, again it’s a question of what your primary goal is (size/strength/endurance), I’m pretty sure I’ve got one of the NSCA charts kicking around somewhere that shows optimum STRENGTH recovery closer to 96 hours (as your original post seemed to be more concerned with weight on the bar / than optimum muscle growth) ← That’s pretty meaningless though. Rather than playing it by the book, why not see what your body tells you? Do you think the recovery time for a: 19 year old athlete with access to optimal food & 8 hours of sleep will be equal to a: 40 year old woman with kids, working for minimum wage & eating junk food?[/quote]
Moddok, Modock, whatever, you know who I mean, hes well know on here. xD
He allready did kinda make a strong case for 3x a week freq here Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness or ‘defending me’ and hes a life time natural right?
Some of the old DC stuff - the routine looks like it was 2on 1 off so that would put you at a frequency of 3x a week. I think at some point that got ditched though because SOME people couldnt recover on it. Intrestingly though the way he talks about tapering down to the 1.5x a week, is as if he and probably others had made that frequency work for them for some time. He also talks about believing that as a guy gets super advanced more recovery is needed. With that in mind would it not be possible that considering I’m not using monster advanced weights and lower intensity (rest pause vs straight set) that more frequency could be more benificial?
I’m not sure where you are going with the NSCA chart thing (no idea what that even is) are you saying weight on the bar over time as quick as possible isnt the fastest routine to maximum size? I am kind of trying to throw out the book so to speak and figure out what works through trial and error. I wanted to get a discussion going about high freq traning BBB,hst,DC w/e and how to optimize it for a natural for myself and others. But its hard when people just jump in and start saying that 1x a week splits are THE way to go and it just becomes a big flame fest over that. I know theres lots of you on here reading this now who are believers in high frequency and could contribute alot here but it’s like you dont want to for fear of being ‘bullied’ by people lulz.
[quote]mojo_ wrote:
I know theres lots of you on here reading this now who are believers in high frequency and could contribute alot here but it’s like you dont want to for fear of being ‘bullied’ by people lulz.[/quote]
I’m just waiting for anyone remotely close to his size to agree with you.
All and all people have been very polite to you through this whole thread.
Log in under your normal screen name and stop with the inflammatory insults, and maybe, just maybe you can spark a good conversation.
Otherwise, go troll some other webpage, you suck at it.
[quote]mojo_ wrote:
Mad_Duck wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
Scott M wrote:
Why do I barely read this forum anymore? Oh yeah… threads like this.
Arnt you the guy thats a big time supporter of DC training? Isnt the whole idea of his methods to train a bodypart as frequently as possible - for more growth spurts per year ‘52vs156’ adding weight as often as possible. What do you think of the people supporting the 1x a week BP training here…perhaps you would like to chime in? I bet you won’t though sigh…wheres that Moddok guy who posts around here to, who also completey disagrees with that way of doing things and probably looks better than most of you NATURALLY?
It’s Modok, and I’d be quite surprised if he leapt to your defense.
re the DC stuff, it’s technically a bodypart split (with overlap), (ABA one week, BAB the next) That’s each bodypart 3 times in two weeks, or averaging 1.5 times a week (half of your volume. (I’d say half of your body involvement too, but cueball already pointed out that you’re not working legs)). This is ONE frequency that MANY really big fuckers have found to be optimal for veteran trainers. Disclaimer: I’ve got a hunch that DC would not be an ideal fit for you.
concerning the cast-in-stone 72 hour ‘muscle atrophy window’ or whatever, again it’s a question of what your primary goal is (size/strength/endurance), I’m pretty sure I’ve got one of the NSCA charts kicking around somewhere that shows optimum STRENGTH recovery closer to 96 hours (as your original post seemed to be more concerned with weight on the bar / than optimum muscle growth) ← That’s pretty meaningless though. Rather than playing it by the book, why not see what your body tells you? Do you think the recovery time for a: 19 year old athlete with access to optimal food & 8 hours of sleep will be equal to a: 40 year old woman with kids, working for minimum wage & eating junk food?
Moddok, Modock, whatever, you know who I mean, hes well know on here. xD
He allready did kinda make a strong case for 3x a week freq here Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness or ‘defending me’ and hes a life time natural right?
Some of the old DC stuff - the routine looks like it was 2on 1 off so that would put you at a frequency of 3x a week. I think at some point that got ditched though because SOME people couldnt recover on it. Intrestingly though the way he talks about tapering down to the 1.5x a week, is as if he and probably others had made that frequency work for them for some time. He also talks about believing that as a guy gets super advanced more recovery is needed. With that in mind would it not be possible that considering I’m not using monster advanced weights and lower intensity (rest pause vs straight set) that more frequency could be more benificial?
I’m not sure where you are going with the NSCA chart thing (no idea what that even is) are you saying weight on the bar over time as quick as possible isnt the fastest routine to maximum size? I am kind of trying to throw out the book so to speak and figure out what works through trial and error. I wanted to get a discussion going about high freq traning BBB,hst,DC w/e and how to optimize it for a natural for myself and others. But its hard when people just jump in and start saying that 1x a week splits are THE way to go and it just becomes a big flame fest over that. I know theres lots of you on here reading this now who are believers in high frequency and could contribute alot here but it’s like you dont want to for fear of being ‘bullied’ by people lulz.[/quote]
You quoted BBB:
[quote]
‘because of this, bodybuilders must be particulary concerned with the question of how long they can rest how long they can rest without losing the muscle tissue they have gained. The bulgarions found that atrophy begun 72 hours after the last stress or excercise was applied. Therefore, you do not want to rest any longer than 72 hours (three days) to protect the growth you have made.’[/quote]
I responded with a National Strength and Conditioning Association quote relating to strength (which seemed to be your concern in the original post. “I’m only adding .333 pounds to the bar every 48 hrs” (or whatever you had written there))
In your BBB quote, it’s a question of when the muscle atrophies (<- that means “gets smaller”) not necessarily weaker. so I supplied additional information to help you figure out what you want.
Concerning Modok’s thread, it too is primarily about ‘getting bigger, growing like a Kudzu vine’ not necessarily about getting stronger (though I’m sure that was one of the side benefits) (sorry C_C I’m not trying to disagree with you on the “get stronger & the bigness will follow”, but sometimes gross simplifications are in order)
[quote]GluteusGigantis wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
So I jumped on the high frequency bandwagon recently and I’ve been working out each muscle 3 x a week. My strength gain progress seems to be REALLY slow though. In order to maintain good form and get enough reps I only seem to be able to add 1/3 of a pound each workout - so 1 pound a week. Is this the kind of progression thats to be expected once you are past the complete newbie gains stage of the game for a natural trainee?
The original post here does not in any way set up the context for you wanting to have a discussion on high frequency training. There are much more productive threads on high frequency training than this. Isn’t it funny how someone such as yourself can feel bullied by a big mean black man like X…over the internet LOL
Good luck with your training and life, and detection of 1/3 lb changes in body mass after workouts…[/quote]
Ok 1) im talking about other people feeling threatened, i see it in other threads people just kiss ass because someones bigger than them. If you think i was, do you think I would have said what I said? 2) I wasnt talking about 1/3lb bodywieght increases LOL You probably get that just from the protein drink alone…I was talking about progressive load on the bar.
[quote]mojo_ wrote:
I’m not sure where you are going with the NSCA chart thing (no idea what that even is) are you saying weight on the bar over time as quick as possible isnt the fastest routine to maximum size?[/quote]
Are you saying appropriate nutrition, sufficient REST & RECOVERY, Time under tension, proper supplements (ie BCAAs), Tempo, Proper form while lifting are UNIMPORTANT for maximum size?
You know whats funny about all of this I just looked in the mirror right now and there is a definate change since I last checked about a week ago(i kinda stopped looking cos it got depressing seeing the same thing), obviously not a huge change in a week but when you have looked the same way for ages you kinda of notice little changes more… it seems what i am doing is at least getting me somewhere…
[quote]mojo_ wrote:
JayPierce wrote:
Mojo_, use some basic logic here. You jumped on the high-freq bandwagon and you’re having trouble making progress. Short-term solution with long-term gains: try something else. If it’s not working, ditch it.
but what I was doing before yeilded nothing but fat. Like I said what I’m doing now is atleast getting me some progress, why would I go back and do what gave me none what so ever hows that logical???
[/quote]
I hate to tell you this, but if you’ve used tried-and-true programs and made no progress, then it’s probably not the program’s fault. Where are your lifts at anyway? Is it a stalling problem, or have you made it that far yet?
Wow @ this thread, lol.
[quote]mojo_ wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Troll season again?
for going agaisnt the grain? ok then…[/quote]
Stop training it’s not for you…
Mojo, Are you lifting explosively? As a formoer Mentzer disciple (and I regret this now) I got caught up in the slow tempo reps for a few years. Once I started training with a partner (who was bigger and stronger than me) and started executing my reps as fast as possible, I immediately saw gains. Check out Christian Thibadeau’s article, “The Rep”. It might shed light on some shortcomings of your repetition style, if you have any.
Your progress is great.
[quote]mojo_ wrote:
Moddok, Modock, whatever, you know who I mean, hes well know on here. xD
He allready did kinda make a strong case for 3x a week freq here Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness or ‘defending me’ and hes a life time natural right?
[/quote] Well, none of his routines are even remotely as idiotic as yours… Something to think about. [quote]
Some of the old DC stuff - the routine looks like it was 2on 1 off so that would put you at a frequency of 3x a week. I think at some point that got ditched though because SOME people couldnt recover on it. Intrestingly though the way he talks about tapering down to the 1.5x a week, is as if he and probably others had made that frequency work for them for some time. He also talks about believing that as a guy gets super advanced more recovery is needed. With that in mind would it not be possible that considering I’m not using monster advanced weights and lower intensity (rest pause vs straight set) that more frequency could be more benificial?
.[/quote]
Are you an alternative account of Nominal Prospect? You twist facts just like he does.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
Moddok, Modock, whatever, you know who I mean, hes well know on here. xD
He allready did kinda make a strong case for 3x a week freq here Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness or ‘defending me’ and hes a life time natural right?
Well, none of his routines are even remotely as idiotic as yours… Something to think about.
Some of the old DC stuff - the routine looks like it was 2on 1 off so that would put you at a frequency of 3x a week. I think at some point that got ditched though because SOME people couldnt recover on it. Intrestingly though the way he talks about tapering down to the 1.5x a week, is as if he and probably others had made that frequency work for them for some time. He also talks about believing that as a guy gets super advanced more recovery is needed. With that in mind would it not be possible that considering I’m not using monster advanced weights and lower intensity (rest pause vs straight set) that more frequency could be more benificial?
.
Are you an alternative account of Nominal Prospect? You twist facts just like he does.
[/quote]
I just realized late last night that he was also the creator of the bleeding anus thread.
[quote]Mad_Duck wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
Moddok, Modock, whatever, you know who I mean, hes well know on here. xD
He allready did kinda make a strong case for 3x a week freq here Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness or ‘defending me’ and hes a life time natural right?
Well, none of his routines are even remotely as idiotic as yours… Something to think about.
Some of the old DC stuff - the routine looks like it was 2on 1 off so that would put you at a frequency of 3x a week. I think at some point that got ditched though because SOME people couldnt recover on it. Intrestingly though the way he talks about tapering down to the 1.5x a week, is as if he and probably others had made that frequency work for them for some time. He also talks about believing that as a guy gets super advanced more recovery is needed. With that in mind would it not be possible that considering I’m not using monster advanced weights and lower intensity (rest pause vs straight set) that more frequency could be more benificial?
.
Are you an alternative account of Nominal Prospect? You twist facts just like he does.
I just realized late last night that he was also the creator of the bleeding anus thread.[/quote]
And the anus bleeding thread is in competition with this thread for “worst thread of the month started by a troll or a retard”.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I recently had a conversation with a guy who was telling me he hasn’t made ANY progress in a year or so, just to see him the next day reading a magazine while doing leg extensions (3 sets of 10, no less). He could just as well have been doing ‘pinky toe raises’.[/quote]
From today— as if on cue!!! This isn’t the person I was speaking to, but yet another guy who reps with newspaper in hand…
I’m letting my membership expire at this ‘gym’…
With this kind of intensity, who needs weights?..
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
I recently had a conversation with a guy who was telling me he hasn’t made ANY progress in a year or so, just to see him the next day reading a magazine while doing leg extensions (3 sets of 10, no less). He could just as well have been doing ‘pinky toe raises’.
From today— as if on cue!!! This isn’t the person I was speaking to, but yet another guy who reps with newspaper in hand…
I’m letting my membership expire at this ‘gym’…
With this kind of intensity, who needs weights?..[/quote]
I like seeing Leg Presses with less than body weight. You know, it’s easier than all the work of standing up.
[quote]Mad_Duck wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
I recently had a conversation with a guy who was telling me he hasn’t made ANY progress in a year or so, just to see him the next day reading a magazine while doing leg extensions (3 sets of 10, no less). He could just as well have been doing ‘pinky toe raises’.
From today— as if on cue!!! This isn’t the person I was speaking to, but yet another guy who reps with newspaper in hand…
I’m letting my membership expire at this ‘gym’…
With this kind of intensity, who needs weights?..
I like seeing Leg Presses with less than body weight. You know, it’s easier than all the work of standing up.[/quote]
But don’t worry that fat bastard grunts like it’s his job, and tells you that you need a belt if your going to “lift heavy weights like that.”
I wouldn’t dislike the fat lazy man at my gym if he didn’t smell so bad.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
I like ice cream. Whats your favorite flavor?[/quote]
Coffee.
Shit is delicious
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
MODOK wrote:
I like ice cream. Whats your favorite flavor?
Coffee.
Shit is delicious
[/quote]
“You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?”