[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I don’t normally speculate in these threads, but after reading this exchange, and given that you’re basically doing the core movements that built thousands of big dudes, and you’re eating enough to gain weight (but apparently just fat), I’d have to guess that you’re seriously just not working hard enough (or as intense as you think you are).[/quote]
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[quote]mojo_ wrote:
From what I read its suposedly harder to add a rep than increment weight, so if I’m struggling to increment a small amount of weight I’m not sure another rep is possible… I guess I could add more volume/sets though…
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Stop reading so much and like other’s have already stated, start working out like a normal person. The workout you have sucks. I’m past my newbies gains and still get some type of person best on a lift almost every workout. Whether it’s reps or increasing weight. If you’re not making progressive you’re not working out hard enough. You got chubby off the split so you blame the split?
I did:
Day 1: 3 Chest + 1 tricep exercise
Day 2: Back/biceps
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: shoulder/triceps
Day 5: Legs Abs
Day 6: Rest or lagging body part (for me it was arms)
Day 7: Rest
and got alot stronger.
Two things:
Doesn’t seem like you’re working hard enough.
Your workout is weird.
[quote]cueball wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
I don’t normally speculate in these threads, but after reading this exchange, and given that you’re basically doing the core movements that built thousands of big dudes, and you’re eating enough to gain weight (but apparently just fat), I’d have to guess that you’re seriously just not working hard enough (or as intense as you think you are).
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I would echo what SteelyD is saying here, x3.
Also, are you looking at your gains from a workout to workout basis? Like, you say you arent making gains, IE you arent able to add weight to a movement, but are we talking from one workout to another? So you attempt to bump the weight every 2 days? I hope thats not the case, because muscle gains arent made in days. I think one of the problems may just be consistency. Id say use the same weight for a couple weeks, then bump
[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:
Why did you think high volume + high frequency was a good idea? Usually they’re an inverted relationship. The higher the volume, the less the frequency should be, the lower the volume, the higher the frequency can be. Pick one.[/quote]
Yea this is why I have kind of been hesitent to add any more sets (volume)
[quote]cueball wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
From what I read its suposedly harder to add a rep than increment weight, so if I’m struggling to increment a small amount of weight I’m not sure another rep is possible… I guess I could add more volume/sets though…
Stop reading and start doing. Just cause you read it doesn’t make it true. Adding a rep IS easier than adding weight. That is usually the FIRST type of progression. You don’t need to do both at the same time.
Pick a weight, set a target rep range like 6-8 (for example). Lift that weight, adding reps each session till you hit 6-8, then add weight. Lift that weight till you hit 6-8 again. And so on.
Edit: This way, you can add 10lbs to the bar when you add weight instead of 1-2lbs as it sound like you’ve been doing.
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Allright, I will try this next workout go for more reps then add weight when I top out the rep range rinse repeat, from previous attempts though the extra rep ended up being what you see in alot of gyms where some guys using another 10 muscle groups to complete that rep lol but back then alot of other variables where different so theres no harm in trying again I guess. 
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
mr popular wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
mr popular wrote:
Why the hell don’t you just train normally?
What do you mean by train ‘normally’? The 1-2 bodypart per day 20 sets from multiple angles deal? Then return the same day next week with added weight? I did that and I never could add weight = no growth.
No.
Training normally as in, 1-2 bodyparts a day (2-3 for beginners), 2-4 exercises depending on the size of the bodypart, with PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD as the driving force.
Did you seriously go into the gym, do 20 sets of nonsense, and then fail to add weight next week, and give up thinking this was how other people train?
It isn’t.
Yup I kinda did that too. Infact that was what I started with. Monday: chest tri shoulders wednesday legs friday back/bi. It worked for a while then progressive overload was no longer possible, I did get a progressively bigger belly though LOL.
You didn’t supply any stats-- height, weight, age, how long training.
I don’t normally speculate in these threads, but after reading this exchange, and given that you’re basically doing the core movements that built thousands of big dudes, and you’re eating enough to gain weight (but apparently just fat), I’d have to guess that you’re seriously just not working hard enough (or as intense as you think you are).
I recently had a conversation with a guy who was telling me he hasn’t made ANY progress in a year or so, just to see him the next day reading a magazine while doing leg extensions (3 sets of 10, no less). He could just as well have been doing ‘pinky toe raises’.[/quote]
height: 5’10 weight: 200lbs training: years (mostly unsucessfull)
The only way I could work any more intense would be using rest pause or forced negatives (would need training partner) Like I said I go to the point where another rep attempted = bad form and has a few times led me to injurys. So yea I know what my limits are by going beyond them xD
is there not a damn multiquote feature on here???
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
From what I read its suposedly harder to add a rep than increment weight, so if I’m struggling to increment a small amount of weight I’m not sure another rep is possible… I guess I could add more volume/sets though…
Stop reading so much and like other’s have already stated, start working out like a normal person. The workout you have sucks. I’m past my newbies gains and still get some type of person best on a lift almost every workout. Whether it’s reps or increasing weight. If you’re not making progressive you’re not working out hard enough. You got chubby off the split so you blame the split?
I did:
Day 1: 3 Chest + 1 tricep exercise
Day 2: Back/biceps
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: shoulder/triceps
Day 5: Legs Abs
Day 6: Rest or lagging body part (for me it was arms)
Day 7: Rest
and got alot stronger.
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I can’t for the life of me see how this is a good workout routine, the general opinion from studys etc is a muscle is ready to go again after 48-72 hours why would you wait a whole 7 days to work it again? Seems like a waste of time no offence man.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
Also, are you looking at your gains from a workout to workout basis? Like, you say you arent making gains, IE you arent able to add weight to a movement, but are we talking from one workout to another? So you attempt to bump the weight every 2 days? I hope thats not the case, because muscle gains arent made in days. I think one of the problems may just be consistency. Id say use the same weight for a couple weeks, then bump[/quote]
yea shouldnt everyone be looking to make progress from workout to workout? Otherwise your body has no stimulus to grow???
A little cheating is OK. You can’t hold perfect form 100% of the time when shit gets heavy. As long as you are not stupid about it and not putting yourself at risk, it’s OK to break “perfect form”. This is where a rep range like 6-8 comes in. If you are struggling and cheating to hit 6, then you need another session (or 2) at that weight. If you hit 6 solid reps, and you cheat some but complete 7 (or 8). Move on up.
How well you complete 7 and 8 should determine poundage increases.
[quote]mojo_ wrote:
sam_sneed wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
From what I read its suposedly harder to add a rep than increment weight, so if I’m struggling to increment a small amount of weight I’m not sure another rep is possible… I guess I could add more volume/sets though…
Stop reading so much and like other’s have already stated, start working out like a normal person. The workout you have sucks. I’m past my newbies gains and still get some type of person best on a lift almost every workout. Whether it’s reps or increasing weight. If you’re not making progressive you’re not working out hard enough. You got chubby off the split so you blame the split?
I did:
Day 1: 3 Chest + 1 tricep exercise
Day 2: Back/biceps
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: shoulder/triceps
Day 5: Legs Abs
Day 6: Rest or lagging body part (for me it was arms)
Day 7: Rest
and got alot stronger.
I can’t for the life of me see how this is a good workout routine, the general opinion from studys etc is a muscle is ready to go again after 48-72 hours why would you wait a whole 7 days to work it again? Seems like a waste of time no offence man.
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It doesn’t look like a good workout to you because you spend more time reading studies than lifting weights. I gave you an example of what worked for me. I couldn’t work chest twice a week even if I tried my hardest. But biceps, I can. You’ll see I work them twice a week. Do you think I am not using my shoulders when I bench press? Dumb questions. So yes, shoulders are also getting worked twice a week.
It took me about 6 months of lifting and listening to my body to figure out the workout that has worked for me. How come you haven’t figured it out yet? I think it has something to do with worrying about studies instead of paying attention to actually working out.
If you want to go high frequency, then use a proven high frequency routine/system…
BBB for example.
[quote]mojo_ wrote:
sam_sneed wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
From what I read its suposedly harder to add a rep than increment weight, so if I’m struggling to increment a small amount of weight I’m not sure another rep is possible… I guess I could add more volume/sets though…
Stop reading so much and like other’s have already stated, start working out like a normal person. The workout you have sucks. I’m past my newbies gains and still get some type of person best on a lift almost every workout. Whether it’s reps or increasing weight. If you’re not making progressive you’re not working out hard enough. You got chubby off the split so you blame the split?
I did:
Day 1: 3 Chest + 1 tricep exercise
Day 2: Back/biceps
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: shoulder/triceps
Day 5: Legs Abs
Day 6: Rest or lagging body part (for me it was arms)
Day 7: Rest
and got alot stronger.
I can’t for the life of me see how this is a good workout routine, the general opinion from studys etc is a muscle is ready to go again after 48-72 hours why would you wait a whole 7 days to work it again? Seems like a waste of time no offence man.
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Easy now. You’re reading again. : )
A large percentage of lifters use a once per week setup. And grow using it. Forget general opinion from xyz study. Does it work for YOU. And if you’ve tried several different frequency approaches and none of them work, then it’s something YOU are/aren’t doing.
Besides the fact that you get indirect training stimulus on other days. Triceps and shoulders on chest exercises, for example.
[quote]mojo_ wrote:
sam_sneed wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
From what I read its suposedly harder to add a rep than increment weight, so if I’m struggling to increment a small amount of weight I’m not sure another rep is possible… I guess I could add more volume/sets though…
Stop reading so much and like other’s have already stated, start working out like a normal person. The workout you have sucks. I’m past my newbies gains and still get some type of person best on a lift almost every workout. Whether it’s reps or increasing weight. If you’re not making progressive you’re not working out hard enough. You got chubby off the split so you blame the split?
I did:
Day 1: 3 Chest + 1 tricep exercise
Day 2: Back/biceps
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: shoulder/triceps
Day 5: Legs Abs
Day 6: Rest or lagging body part (for me it was arms)
Day 7: Rest
and got alot stronger.
I can’t for the life of me see how this is a good workout routine, the general opinion from studys etc is a muscle is ready to go again after 48-72 hours why would you wait a whole 7 days to work it again? Seems like a waste of time no offence man.
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You’ve got to be KIDDING ME
Why do people feel the need to base their entire training philosophy around what some study says about how quickly a geriatric old lady’s thigh recovers from doing 3 sets of leg extensions.
The truth is there have NEVER been ANY long-term studies done to determine what is the best way to take a person from skinny and weak, to muscular and strong, detailing diet and training over the course of several years. There have only been very brief studies, measuring very minor things, almost always done out of the context of traditional bodybuilding goals or atmosphere.
The most scientific information we have is the trial and error done by bodybuilders over the last century. There is a reason traditional training BECAME traditional, and it isn’t because it’s “cool”, it’s because it works.
Gawd, what the fuck is the deal with so many of these guys simply not understanding how to work hard?
I get sick of seeing this shit in the gym everyday as well. They look at me as if there is something wrong with me for sweating and straining while they just go through the motions. Then they accuse everyone bigger than them of being on steroids as if magic is involved instead of blaming their own half assed attitude.
[quote]mojo_ wrote:
sam_sneed wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
From what I read its suposedly harder to add a rep than increment weight, so if I’m struggling to increment a small amount of weight I’m not sure another rep is possible… I guess I could add more volume/sets though…
Stop reading so much and like other’s have already stated, start working out like a normal person. The workout you have sucks. I’m past my newbies gains and still get some type of person best on a lift almost every workout. Whether it’s reps or increasing weight. If you’re not making progressive you’re not working out hard enough. You got chubby off the split so you blame the split?
I did:
Day 1: 3 Chest + 1 tricep exercise
Day 2: Back/biceps
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: shoulder/triceps
Day 5: Legs Abs
Day 6: Rest or lagging body part (for me it was arms)
Day 7: Rest
and got alot stronger.
I can’t for the life of me see how this is a good workout routine, the general opinion from studys etc is a muscle is ready to go again after 48-72 hours why would you wait a whole 7 days to work it again? Seems like a waste of time no offence man.
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I can’t for the life of me understand why anyone is spending more time on you after this post. Aside from training 5 days a week as a beginner instead of four, that is pretty much how I trained when I started…yet you “for the life of you” can’t understand how it works.
Gee, you have a shit load of big guys over in one corner and one little guy who read a study in that corner. Who the fuck should we listen to?
The Kraken has been released unto this thread. Unfortunately, mojo, I don’t see the head of Medusa in your future. : )
[quote]mr popular wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
sam_sneed wrote:
mojo_ wrote:
From what I read its suposedly harder to add a rep than increment weight, so if I’m struggling to increment a small amount of weight I’m not sure another rep is possible… I guess I could add more volume/sets though…
Stop reading so much and like other’s have already stated, start working out like a normal person. The workout you have sucks. I’m past my newbies gains and still get some type of person best on a lift almost every workout. Whether it’s reps or increasing weight. If you’re not making progressive you’re not working out hard enough. You got chubby off the split so you blame the split?
I did:
Day 1: 3 Chest + 1 tricep exercise
Day 2: Back/biceps
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: shoulder/triceps
Day 5: Legs Abs
Day 6: Rest or lagging body part (for me it was arms)
Day 7: Rest
and got alot stronger.
I can’t for the life of me see how this is a good workout routine, the general opinion from studys etc is a muscle is ready to go again after 48-72 hours why would you wait a whole 7 days to work it again? Seems like a waste of time no offence man.
You’ve got to be KIDDING ME
Why do people feel the need to base their entire training philosophy around what some study says about how quickly a geriatric old lady’s thigh recovers from doing 3 sets of leg extensions.
The truth is there have NEVER been ANY long-term studies done to determine what is the best way to take a person from skinny and weak, to muscular and strong, detailing diet and training over the course of several years. There have only been very brief studies, measuring very minor things, almost always done out of the context of traditional bodybuilding goals or atmosphere.
The most scientific information we have is the trial and error done by bodybuilders over the last century. There is a reason traditional training BECAME traditional, and it isn’t because it’s “cool”, it’s because it works.[/quote]
actually didnt the 1x a week thing become popular right around the time steriods also became huge aswell…coincidence? I think you will find ‘traditional’ training was 3x a week bp for anyone that had a half decent physique back before then.
…and here come the steroid accusations!