Is Peeing on Jesus Really Funny?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

You guys have a very loud, and not uncommon, faction that isn’t satisfied with being left alone as atheists in a still somewhat religious (more like, faintly spiritual really) population. No, they set out to strip away local public traditions, symbols, and customs. [/quote]

Soooo, how does that feel like?[/quote]

Sucks. But, if you’re here to make me feel guilty that some Islamists didn’t get to shoot women in the head, dumping their corpses into ditches as warnings, for attending school or not covering her head, don’t bother. I’m not a relativist. I’m a cultural supremacist and cultural bigot to the core.[/quote]

No, I was going for the “if Atheism is a religion, how does it make you feel when the more fanatical believers must you have living by their rules” angle.

Cause Christians do not seem to have a problem with laws that are inspired by their religion.[/quote]

Much if not most of Western Civilization’s laws are inspired by Christianity and Judaism including many of the ones you find entirely reasonable and acceptable.

Now in northeastern Arizona and before the Spanish arrived it may very well be a different story. When it comes to that I must defer to you, Joe.[/quote]

Much of Westerns civilization was inspired by pagan or atheist Greeks and Romans.

You are welcome. [/quote]

I’m always welcome.

“Atheist Greeks and Romans.” LOL Like with your purported knowledge of the Navajo, you swing and you miss again.

I will say it again, Western Civ’s laws principally sprung from the morality of Christianity and Judaism. Greek and Roman influences were of course very strong and much intertwined with the Judeo-Christian ethos but atheism was at best just one small lonely fan sitting in the distant upper deck of the huge, crowd-packed stadium that is the history of the Western world.[/quote]

Nonsense, you do not seriously believe that any educated Roman believed in Zeus sitting on Mount Olympus throwing thunderbolts?

At nest they went along with it to appease the hoi polloi, just like many politicians do today.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

You guys have a very loud, and not uncommon, faction that isn’t satisfied with being left alone as atheists in a still somewhat religious (more like, faintly spiritual really) population. No, they set out to strip away local public traditions, symbols, and customs. [/quote]

Soooo, how does that feel like?[/quote]

Sucks. But, if you’re here to make me feel guilty that some Islamists didn’t get to shoot women in the head, dumping their corpses into ditches as warnings, for attending school or not covering her head, don’t bother. I’m not a relativist. I’m a cultural supremacist and cultural bigot to the core.[/quote]

No, I was going for the “if Atheism is a religion, how does it make you feel when the more fanatical believers must you have living by their rules” angle.

Cause Christians do not seem to have a problem with laws that are inspired by their religion.[/quote]

Much if not most of Western Civilization’s laws are inspired by Christianity and Judaism including many of the ones you find entirely reasonable and acceptable.

Now in northeastern Arizona and before the Spanish arrived it may very well be a different story. When it comes to that I must defer to you, Joe.[/quote]

Much of Westerns civilization was inspired by pagan or atheist Greeks and Romans.

You are welcome. [/quote]

I’m always welcome.

“Atheist Greeks and Romans.” LOL Like with your purported knowledge of the Navajo, you swing and you miss again.

I will say it again, Western Civ’s laws principally sprung from the morality of Christianity and Judaism. Greek and Roman influences were of course very strong and much intertwined with the Judeo-Christian ethos but atheism was at best just one small lonely fan sitting in the distant upper deck of the huge, crowd-packed stadium that is the history of the Western world.[/quote]

Nonsense, you do not seriously believe that any educated Roman believed in Zeus sitting on Mount Olympus throwing thunderbolts?

At nest they went along with it to appease the hoi polloi, just like many politicians do today. [/quote]

OK, sure thing, hombre.

You are one smart, intuitive dooooood.[/quote]

“It is expedient that gods should exist; since it is expedient, let us believe that they do.” (Ovid)

“From the moment of death onward, the body and soul feel as little as they did before birth.” (Pliny the Elder)

“The superstitious man wishes he did not believe in gods, as the atheist does not, but fears to disbelieve in them.” (Plutarch)

“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” (Seneca)

“It is for the good of states that men should be deluded by religion.” (Statius)

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

You guys have a very loud, and not uncommon, faction that isn’t satisfied with being left alone as atheists in a still somewhat religious (more like, faintly spiritual really) population. No, they set out to strip away local public traditions, symbols, and customs. [/quote]

Soooo, how does that feel like?[/quote]

Sucks. But, if you’re here to make me feel guilty that some Islamists didn’t get to shoot women in the head, dumping their corpses into ditches as warnings, for attending school or not covering her head, don’t bother. I’m not a relativist. I’m a cultural supremacist and cultural bigot to the core.[/quote]

No, I was going for the “if Atheism is a religion, how does it make you feel when the more fanatical believers must you have living by their rules” angle.

Cause Christians do not seem to have a problem with laws that are inspired by their religion.[/quote]

Much if not most of Western Civilization’s laws are inspired by Christianity and Judaism including many of the ones you find entirely reasonable and acceptable.

Now in northeastern Arizona and before the Spanish arrived it may very well be a different story. When it comes to that I must defer to you, Joe.[/quote]

Much of Westerns civilization was inspired by pagan or atheist Greeks and Romans.

You are welcome. [/quote]

I’m always welcome.

“Atheist Greeks and Romans.” LOL Like with your purported knowledge of the Navajo, you swing and you miss again.

I will say it again, Western Civ’s laws principally sprung from the morality of Christianity and Judaism. Greek and Roman influences were of course very strong and much intertwined with the Judeo-Christian ethos but atheism was at best just one small lonely fan sitting in the distant upper deck of the huge, crowd-packed stadium that is the history of the Western world.[/quote]

Nonsense, you do not seriously believe that any educated Roman believed in Zeus sitting on Mount Olympus throwing thunderbolts?

At nest they went along with it to appease the hoi polloi, just like many politicians do today. [/quote]

OK, sure thing, hombre.

You are one smart, intuitive dooooood.[/quote]

“It is expedient that gods should exist; since it is expedient, let us believe that they do.” (Ovid)

“From the moment of death onward, the body and soul feel as little as they did before birth.” (Pliny the Elder)

“The superstitious man wishes he did not believe in gods, as the atheist does not, but fears to disbelieve in them.” (Plutarch)

“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” (Seneca)

“It is for the good of states that men should be deluded by religion.” (Statius) [/quote]

Sounds Marxist. Burn it with fire.

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I better not jump in here because I’d find myself at least in partial agreement with Baron orion which would be extremely disconcerting. I will say that Butler’s ‘Lives of the Saints’ and such works as Bede the Venerable’s ‘The Eclesiastical History of England’ shed much light on early Church doctrine and morality. Plutarch’s ‘Lives of the Noble Greecians and Romans’ is a good work to read and compare to Butler’s homage.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

You guys have a very loud, and not uncommon, faction that isn’t satisfied with being left alone as atheists in a still somewhat religious (more like, faintly spiritual really) population. No, they set out to strip away local public traditions, symbols, and customs. [/quote]

Soooo, how does that feel like?[/quote]

Sucks. But, if you’re here to make me feel guilty that some Islamists didn’t get to shoot women in the head, dumping their corpses into ditches as warnings, for attending school or not covering her head, don’t bother. I’m not a relativist. I’m a cultural supremacist and cultural bigot to the core.[/quote]

No, I was going for the “if Atheism is a religion, how does it make you feel when the more fanatical believers must you have living by their rules” angle.

Cause Christians do not seem to have a problem with laws that are inspired by their religion.[/quote]

Much if not most of Western Civilization’s laws are inspired by Christianity and Judaism including many of the ones you find entirely reasonable and acceptable.

Now in northeastern Arizona and before the Spanish arrived it may very well be a different story. When it comes to that I must defer to you, Joe.[/quote]

Much of Westerns civilization was inspired by pagan or atheist Greeks and Romans.

You are welcome. [/quote]

I’m always welcome.

“Atheist Greeks and Romans.” LOL Like with your purported knowledge of the Navajo, you swing and you miss again.

I will say it again, Western Civ’s laws principally sprung from the morality of Christianity and Judaism. Greek and Roman influences were of course very strong and much intertwined with the Judeo-Christian ethos but atheism was at best just one small lonely fan sitting in the distant upper deck of the huge, crowd-packed stadium that is the history of the Western world.[/quote]

Nonsense, you do not seriously believe that any educated Roman believed in Zeus sitting on Mount Olympus throwing thunderbolts?

At nest they went along with it to appease the hoi polloi, just like many politicians do today. [/quote]

OK, sure thing, hombre.

You are one smart, intuitive dooooood.[/quote]

“It is expedient that gods should exist; since it is expedient, let us believe that they do.” (Ovid)

“From the moment of death onward, the body and soul feel as little as they did before birth.” (Pliny the Elder)

“The superstitious man wishes he did not believe in gods, as the atheist does not, but fears to disbelieve in them.” (Plutarch)

“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” (Seneca)

“It is for the good of states that men should be deluded by religion.” (Statius) [/quote]

Atheism and atheists - whether they were Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Hebrew, Persian, Slav, Russian, English, French, German, etc. - did NOT play any kind of a significant role in the development of Western Civilization’s system of law and moral code. It was chiefly the role of theists.

The quotes you cited certainly do not substantiate, “Much of Westerns civilization was inspired by pagan or atheist Greeks and Romans,” especially in the context of moral and legal ethos.

If I had the time and ambition I could go back 2,000 or more years slap up a list of quotes from theists who were instrumental in the formation of Western Civ that would overwhelm any list of atheists. You know that. I know that. Even a Navajo child would know it.[/quote]

Our law is basically Roman law, since there really was no other law. German and Anglo Saxon common law got worked into it but the more complex it gets the more Roman it gets.

Roman laws were basically market customs that were streamlined and codified by Roman lawyers and officials and that had very little to do with religion.

They might have had their blue laws but that would only prove that busybodies are not exactly a new phenomenon.

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When you look at our western societies, practically nothing is inspired by christianity.
The way we play, work, haggle, love has little to no overlap with ancient so-called holy texts.

Ideology struggles hard to change this or officially retcon our culture (marriage, laws etc), but mostly with little success.
If it really comes to (mostly shortlived) total power, the results are catastrophic (Khmer Rouge, Iran…)- Ideology is simply not a blueprint for a prosperous society.
Human lives are far more complex and fragile then collections of bronze age texts could ever fathom.

What remains for the most part are a few capitalistically distorted holdays and power hungry lobbies.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

You guys have a very loud, and not uncommon, faction that isn’t satisfied with being left alone as atheists in a still somewhat religious (more like, faintly spiritual really) population. No, they set out to strip away local public traditions, symbols, and customs. [/quote]

Soooo, how does that feel like?[/quote]

Sucks. But, if you’re here to make me feel guilty that some Islamists didn’t get to shoot women in the head, dumping their corpses into ditches as warnings, for attending school or not covering her head, don’t bother. I’m not a relativist. I’m a cultural supremacist and cultural bigot to the core.[/quote]

No, I was going for the “if Atheism is a religion, how does it make you feel when the more fanatical believers must you have living by their rules” angle.

Cause Christians do not seem to have a problem with laws that are inspired by their religion.[/quote]

What? That’s bullshit. I am totally against all blue laws, many Christians are. Just because we don’t do things for religious purposes doesn’t mean we impose those restraints on anybody else. The way I see it is that God gave us freewill and we don’t have the right to take it away from anybody.
More strip clubs, more liqueur stores, more porn, more gambling, etc. All peoples should have a right to access all these things if they please, so long as it does not impact anybody else I am cool with it.
I support freedom, especially the freedom to not be religious in anyway. Personally, I only want those who want to be there by my side, not ones who were forces or compelled.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

You guys have a very loud, and not uncommon, faction that isn’t satisfied with being left alone as atheists in a still somewhat religious (more like, faintly spiritual really) population. No, they set out to strip away local public traditions, symbols, and customs. [/quote]

Soooo, how does that feel like?[/quote]

Sucks. But, if you’re here to make me feel guilty that some Islamists didn’t get to shoot women in the head, dumping their corpses into ditches as warnings, for attending school or not covering her head, don’t bother. I’m not a relativist. I’m a cultural supremacist and cultural bigot to the core.[/quote]

No, I was going for the “if Atheism is a religion, how does it make you feel when the more fanatical believers must you have living by their rules” angle.

Cause Christians do not seem to have a problem with laws that are inspired by their religion.[/quote]

Can we at least refer to you as a group with a common value system? Even though a group with a common value system, common thoughts and goals, and a need to proselytize is commonly referred to as a cult (if small) or a religion. So we’ll call you a group that’s damn close to being a religion except for the refusal to accept that moniker. Let’s see that would be A.G.T.D.T.B.A.R.E.F.T.R.T.A.T.M, or if we take out the small words: G.D.C.R.E.R.A.M…
Dang, that’s a ruff acronym…

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[quote]orion wrote:

Nonsense, you do not seriously believe that any educated Roman believed in Zeus sitting on Mount Olympus throwing thunderbolts?

At nest they went along with it to appease the hoi polloi, just like many politicians do today. [/quote]

Considering the tremendous effort they used to represent and the tremedous expense they went to worship, I’d give it a resounding, Hell Yes.

You are going to have to do some serious ass archaeology and history revamping to prove differently.

So you got some proof?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
But all groups have their nutjobs, you guys have the Westboro Baptist Church, we have groups like the Black Atheists of Atlanta.
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Sounds very much like a religion, a group with some similar beliefs acting badly reflecting negatively on you… You have an entire 20th century full of atheist assholes, who killed more people in 100 years, then all the wars and atrocities and natural disasters combines in the 19 centuries before it. That’s what I call bad PR…
No it doesn’t mean that all atheists are that. The common person, with a common education thinks of that when they think atheist. Just sayin’ they left an impression.

Maybe, you guys should do some charity work, help the poor, stand up against atrocities and such to get better PR. Then again, no matter how much good we Catholics do it goes largely unnoticed…“Well, a priest 50 years ago fucked a deaf kid…Catholics are all horrible people!” ← That’s what we get despite millions of lives saved, millions fed and cared for around the world through the years. So it might not do much for you either.

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atheism does not set morals… people like mao kill for their own agendas, no one has killed in the name of atheism

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
But all groups have their nutjobs, you guys have the Westboro Baptist Church, we have groups like the Black Atheists of Atlanta.
[/quote]

Sounds very much like a religion, a group with some similar beliefs acting badly reflecting negatively on you… You have an entire 20th century full of atheist assholes, who killed more people in 100 years, then all the wars and atrocities and natural disasters combines in the 19 centuries before it. That’s what I call bad PR…
No it doesn’t mean that all atheists are that. The common person, with a common education thinks of that when they think atheist. Just sayin’ they left an impression.

Maybe, you guys should do some charity work, help the poor, stand up against atrocities and such to get better PR. Then again, no matter how much good we Catholics do it goes largely unnoticed…“Well, a priest 50 years ago fucked a deaf kid…Catholics are all horrible people!” ← That’s what we get despite millions of lives saved, millions fed and cared for around the world through the years. So it might not do much for you either.
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As xspoonman said:

[quote]:
atheism does not set morals… people like mao kill for their own agendas, no one has killed in the name of atheism. [/quote]

It does not matter that Stalin was an atheist because there are no tenets or dogmas attached to atheism, it’s just a certain position on a specific issue. Stalin and Mao were not killing in the name of atheism they had their own agendas.

By your line of thinking being a minority can also be considered a religion. There are groups that do good work like the NAACP, and there are fringe minority interest groups that reflect badly on the rest. Should interest groups that work to increase racial equality also be considered a religion?

As for your belief that secular charities and other groups to help society do not exist you are wrong.

Off the top of my head there is:

Secular Sobriety

Camp Quest - A summer camp for the children of nontheistic or freethinking parents - they are a non-profit organization

Plan USA - http://www.planusa.org/content1117130

http://www.atheistshelpingthehomeless.org/AHTH2/AHTH/index.php - local atheist groups that get together to feed the homeless

But what you know what’s better? Atheists do not hold a homeless man’s sandwich hostage until they’ve listened to a sermon

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]xspoonman wrote:
atheism does not set morals… people like mao kill for their own agendas…

[/quote]

Oh what a perfect response.

In case you’re wondering, you just shot yourself in the foot there, Honcho.

[/quote]

No he didn’t. Learn about what atheism is before you keep posting. You have no clue.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

…Atheists do not hold a homeless man’s sandwich hostage until they’ve listened to a sermon

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I think that’s got more to do with atheists not getting anywhere near a homeless man.

Statistics show (they’ve been posted on this board before) that atheists as a group have the lowest charitable giving.

Doesn’t surprise me one bit. They are too busy trying to distance themselves from the actions of Stalin and Mao on internet forums. That can take a lot of energy.
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Provide me the statistics.

Also are these statistics based relative to the size of the group or an overall total? Atheists groups are nowhere near the size of most religious interest groups.