lol I’d love to know what a “devout atheist” is. Sounds interesting.
[quote]forlife wrote:
While the number of homosexuals in German concentration camps is hard to estimate, Richard Plant gives a rough estimate of the number of men convicted for homosexuality “between 1933 to 1944 at between 50,000 and 63,000.”[/quote]
You revisionist asshole. I started to type a polite reply, I gave up.
We were pretty clearly talking about the number of people killed. Not convicted, not placed in camps, killed. The MAJORITY of homosexuals convicted under the Nazi regime served time in REGULAR PRISONS, NOT CONCENTRATION CAMPS. The entirety of homosexuals convicted is less than 1% of the Jews killed. Some 4 million relatively agnostic Germans were convicted for crimes against the party, some 80,000 were executed. That’s about 1 German killed for every homosexual convicted. The Nazi party killed 40 German “dissenters” for every homosexual. I’ll say that one more time so it’s clear THE NAZIS KILLED 40 AGNOSTIC GERMANS FOR EVERY HOMOSEXUAL.
Horseshit, the only people who actually tell people ‘the actual number is irrelevant’ are either ignorant, apathetic, or lying. You’re diminishing the injustice to the victims and the bravery of heroes by tugging their coattails to support your beliefs. You coward.
Not even close to true.
The pink triangle was reserved for lowest of the low; those who earned it. Those who continue to plague the homosexual community today. I’m not too certain that peeing on a picture of Jesus is a bad thing. A post like yours convinces me it is.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I may not have to worry about being murdered as an atheist, but in places where most people are religious, being openly atheist can actually hold you back from getting a job, being promoted, acceptance from your inlaws.
The host of a popular atheist public access show has been cut off from parts of his family because they see him as doing the work of the devil. So no my life is not in danger, but being openly atheist can have its consequences.[/quote]
So?
All kinds of folks “suffer” in this manner as a result of their chosen religion. And atheism, is…drum roll…just another religion.
So be proud and honored that you can be persecuted for your beliefs. That was Paul’s message to believers in Roman times.[/quote]
Atheism is not another religion.
Let me ask you something, can you tell me which of these groups has NOT had a US senator elected at any point?
- Christian
- Catholic
- Jewish
- Atheist/secular
- Hindu
- Muslim
When you figure out the answer maybe you’ll better understand why I care about how atheists are portrayed in the media.
[/quote]
Well, you guys have all these New Atheists whacka-doos running around like the the Grinch that stole X-mas. Using the courts to beat up on Boy Scouts. Using the courts to get the 10 commandments out of local schools and courthouses. Using the courts to end long time traditional before-the-game prayers. Trying to get crosses removed from this site or that cemetery.
You guys have a very loud, and not uncommon, faction that isn’t satisfied with being left alone as atheists in a still somewhat religious (more like, faintly spiritual really) population. No, they set out to strip away local public traditions, symbols, and customs. That endearing 100 year old nativity scene on the courthouse lawn? OFF WID EET’S HEAD! Silent Night sung at the “Winter Festival” (already sued over Christmas) in the elementary gymnasium? OFF WID EET’s HEAD! Long time custom of prayer at a local Graduation? “Attica! Attica!”
“We do not like your generational local custom of prayer before class starts!”
“Ok already, fine, fine, how about no lead prayer, just a moment of silence instead?”
“WHAT?! A child might use that time to pray! Absolutely not!”
You guys are now not only seen as atheists, but the Ebenezer Scrooges and Grinchs of the community. Culture, traditions, and symbols are very, very, very important to many of us, and when someone actively seeks to strip them away, again and a again, we start getting resentful. /shrug
[quote]lucasa wrote:
[quote]forlife wrote:
While the number of homosexuals in German concentration camps is hard to estimate, Richard Plant gives a rough estimate of the number of men convicted for homosexuality “between 1933 to 1944 at between 50,000 and 63,000.”[/quote]
You revisionist asshole. I started to type a polite reply, I gave up.
We were pretty clearly talking about the number of people killed. Not convicted, not placed in camps, killed. The MAJORITY of homosexuals convicted under the Nazi regime served time in REGULAR PRISONS, NOT CONCENTRATION CAMPS. The entirety of homosexuals convicted is less than 1% of the Jews killed. Some 4 million relatively agnostic Germans were convicted for crimes against the party, some 80,000 were executed. That’s about 1 German killed for every homosexual convicted. The Nazi party killed 40 German “dissenters” for every homosexual. I’ll say that one more time so it’s clear THE NAZIS KILLED 40 AGNOSTIC GERMANS FOR EVERY HOMOSEXUAL.
Horseshit, the only people who actually tell people ‘the actual number is irrelevant’ are either ignorant, apathetic, or lying. You’re diminishing the injustice to the victims and the bravery of heroes by tugging their coattails to support your beliefs. You coward.
Not even close to true.
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In my six years of following this forum, this is the first post I’ve ever reported, and is one of the most hateful posts I’ve ever read.
Claiming that gays killed in concentration camps deserved it, and wishing HIV on me personally, is so reprehensible it literally makes me sick to my stomach.
Do not ever address me again.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
lol I’d love to know what a “devout atheist” is. Sounds interesting.
[/quote]
You might take a shot at looking in the mirror but then again maybe your internet persona doesn’t really reflect how deeply (or shallowly) you feel about your belief system.[/quote]
From your posts it’s obvious you have little to no idea what atheism even is.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I may not have to worry about being murdered as an atheist, but in places where most people are religious, being openly atheist can actually hold you back from getting a job, being promoted, acceptance from your inlaws.
The host of a popular atheist public access show has been cut off from parts of his family because they see him as doing the work of the devil. So no my life is not in danger, but being openly atheist can have its consequences.[/quote]
So?
All kinds of folks “suffer” in this manner as a result of their chosen religion. And atheism, is…drum roll…just another religion.
So be proud and honored that you can be persecuted for your beliefs. That was Paul’s message to believers in Roman times.[/quote]
Atheism is not another religion.
Let me ask you something, can you tell me which of these groups has NOT had a US senator elected at any point?
- Christian
- Catholic
- Jewish
- Atheist/secular
- Hindu
- Muslim
When you figure out the answer maybe you’ll better understand why I care about how atheists are portrayed in the media.
[/quote]
Well, you guys have all these New Atheists whacka-doos running around like the the Grinch that stole X-mas. Using the courts to beat up on Boy Scouts. Using the courts to get the 10 commandments out of local schools and courthouses. Using the courts to end long time traditional before-the-game prayers. Trying to get crosses removed from this site or that cemetery.
You guys have a very loud, and not uncommon, faction that isn’t satisfied with being left alone as atheists in a still somewhat religious (more like, faintly spiritual really) population. No, they set out to strip away local public traditions, symbols, and customs. That endearing 100 year old nativity scene on the courthouse lawn? OFF WID EET’S HEAD! Silent Night sung at the “Winter Festival” (already sued over Christmas) in the elementary gymnasium? OFF WID EET’s HEAD! Long time custom of prayer at a local Graduation? “Attica! Attica!”
“We do not like your generational local custom of prayer before class starts!”
“Ok already, fine, fine, how about no lead prayer, just a moment of silence instead?”
“WHAT?! A child might use that time to pray! Absolutely not!”
You guys are now not only seen as atheists, but the Ebenezer Scrooges and Grinchs of the community. Culture, traditions, and symbols are very, very, very important to many of us, and when someone actively seeks to strip them away, again and a again, we start getting resentful. /shrug[/quote]
Yeah I know and in some cases I agree there are whack job atheists out there who push some of this stuff too far. Shit like this pisses me off:
But all groups have their nutjobs, you guys have the Westboro Baptist Church, we have groups like the Black Atheists of Atlanta.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
You guys have a very loud, and not uncommon, faction that isn’t satisfied with being left alone as atheists in a still somewhat religious (more like, faintly spiritual really) population. No, they set out to strip away local public traditions, symbols, and customs. [/quote]
Soooo, how does that feel like?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
You guys have a very loud, and not uncommon, faction that isn’t satisfied with being left alone as atheists in a still somewhat religious (more like, faintly spiritual really) population. No, they set out to strip away local public traditions, symbols, and customs. [/quote]
Soooo, how does that feel like?[/quote]
Sucks. But, if you’re here to make me feel guilty that some Islamists didn’t get to shoot women in the head, dumping their corpses into ditches as warnings, for attending school or not covering her head, don’t bother. I’m not a relativist. I’m a cultural supremacist and cultural bigot to the core.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
You guys have a very loud, and not uncommon, faction that isn’t satisfied with being left alone as atheists in a still somewhat religious (more like, faintly spiritual really) population. No, they set out to strip away local public traditions, symbols, and customs. [/quote]
Soooo, how does that feel like?[/quote]
Sucks. But, if you’re here to make me feel guilty that some Islamists didn’t get to shoot women in the head, dumping their corpses into ditches as warnings, for attending school or not covering her head, don’t bother. I’m not a relativist. I’m a cultural supremacist and cultural bigot to the core.[/quote]
No, I was going for the “if Atheism is a religion, how does it make you feel when the more fanatical believers must you have living by their rules” angle.
Cause Christians do not seem to have a problem with laws that are inspired by their religion.
[quote]orion wrote:
Cause Christians do not seem to have a problem with laws that are inspired by their religion.[/quote]
Why would we, if it’s faithful to the christian spirit? Why would we run our communities and the nation of our forefathers as if we were ashamed? The most we should do is make a good deal of room for others, without turning into a sniveling bunch of “gosh, I’m not offending you am I?” I’m not apologetic that Atheist Joe has to watch the Mayor sing a Christmas Hymn if he goes downton while the festival is ongoing. I’d hope he’d at least enjoy the festivities as just festivities, if nothing else. And, sing the songs as just songs to sing merrily. While wishing his neighbors a Merry Christmas though he doesn’t actually believe in Christ. He’d have to use the “Atheist” water fountain, but I’d still hope he’d show up if for nothing else but some communal festivities. That’s if he can put down the joint and the internet porn long enough. You know how them atheists are…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
You guys have a very loud, and not uncommon, faction that isn’t satisfied with being left alone as atheists in a still somewhat religious (more like, faintly spiritual really) population. No, they set out to strip away local public traditions, symbols, and customs. [/quote]
Soooo, how does that feel like?[/quote]
Sucks. But, if you’re here to make me feel guilty that some Islamists didn’t get to shoot women in the head, dumping their corpses into ditches as warnings, for attending school or not covering her head, don’t bother. I’m not a relativist. I’m a cultural supremacist and cultural bigot to the core.[/quote]
No, I was going for the “if Atheism is a religion, how does it make you feel when the more fanatical believers must you have living by their rules” angle.
Cause Christians do not seem to have a problem with laws that are inspired by their religion.[/quote]
Much if not most of Western Civilization’s laws are inspired by Christianity and Judaism including many of the ones you find entirely reasonable and acceptable.
Now in northeastern Arizona and before the Spanish arrived it may very well be a different story. When it comes to that I must defer to you, Joe.[/quote]
Much of Westerns civilization was inspired by pagan or atheist Greeks and Romans.
You are welcome.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Cause Christians do not seem to have a problem with laws that are inspired by their religion.[/quote]
Why would we, if it’s faithful to the christian spirit? Why would we run our communities and the nation of our forefathers as if we were ashamed? The most we should do is make a good deal of room for others, without turning into a sniveling bunch of “gosh, I’m not offending you am I?” I’m not apologetic that Atheist Joe has to watch the Mayor sing a Christmas Hymn if he goes downton while the festival is ongoing. I’d hope he’d at least enjoy the festivities as just festivities, if nothing else. And, sing the songs as just songs to sing merrily. While wishing his neighbors a Merry Christmas though he doesn’t actually believe in Christ. He’d have to use the “Atheist” water fountain, but I’d still hope he’d show up if for nothing else but some communal festivities. That’s if he can put down the joint and the internet porn long enough. You know how them atheists are…[/quote]
Yeah well, then dont whine when them evil atheists make you live by their rules.
We have no songs though.
Maybe we could make you smoke weed and watch tranny porn?
[quote]orion wrote:
Yeah well, then dont whine when them evil atheists make you live by their rules.[/quote]
They already do.
[quote]orion wrote:
We have no songs though.[/quote]
True. You guys are so lacking in community culture and tradition (well, family friendly ones)…
…but these.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
We have no songs though.[/quote]
True. You guys are so lacking in community culture and tradition (well, family friendly ones)…
…but these.
[/quote]
We make you kids watch them too, then its totally family friendly!
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
We have no songs though.[/quote]
True. You guys are so lacking in community culture and tradition (well, family friendly ones)…
…but these.
[/quote]
We make you kids watch them too, then its totally family friendly!
[/quote]
I guess you all would have to borrow the children of the religious. You’re borrowing them now for youthful labor, after all. Of course they stay, having lots of children, in their religious households. Maybe eventually their public festivities will be common, giving you something to do.