Is It Ever Okay to Hit a Woman?

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
After reading through this thread some of you appear to be going purely off emotion and not logic.

My ex-wife was the type a lot of you talk about who would instigate and start shit and run her mouth because a lot of guys will not strike back (verbally or physically) and she knew I always had her back. After awhile, the shit gets old. When I started saying, “You’re on your own.” or just turning around and walking away leaving her there to stir shit up, by herself. It ended pretty quickly. If some guy had dropped her, I honestly would have felt she deserved it.

The other thing is this outdated notion that women are weak and defenseless or that you can subdue them. Sometimes you can subdue sometimes you can’t, but to say you should restrain her in all situations is ridiculous black and white thinking. Have you ever seen women fight each other? Have you ever seen how messed up the guys get who try to break that crap up?

All three of the immediate female cousins I have on my dad’s side could probably kick most guys asses - one is only about 5’2" 120 lbs is a correctional officer and took tae kwon do for over 20 years. Another is ex-military, about 5’6" 160 lbs and benches 225 for reps, easy. She was the girl cousin who hung out with all us boys so she was in the gym with us all the time. The 3rd is the 2nd one’s baby sister and is about 5’4" 170 and I used to watch her physically abuse and beat her ex-husband’s ass on a regular basis. Hell, one time I saw her whip 3 guy’s asses at the same time by herself.

You guys who say it is never right to hit a woman are living in a fantasy world. [/quote]

I think most of them have never experienced what some of us are talking about.

That is what I meant by “sheltered”.

I grew up in South Houston and seeing girls beat each other up for gang initiation is something that wasn’t that rare in the late 80’s. Most of these guys would get KILLED thinking they can just hold them down effortlessly.

That bullshit has to stem from the belief that women are weak…which is quite ironic coming from a “white knight” seeing as women are supposed to be “equal”.

They either are or they aren’t. if women are still the “weaker sex” then they are NOT equal and should act accordingly. If they are equal, then this bullshit where we assume the woman is in the right initially is outdated nonsense.

I am still amazed some guys related this with some guy beating his wife after getting drunk.

It is like some guys can’t think when their penis gets in the way.

That video someone posted is actually a good example…SHE slapped HIM first. Granted, I do not agree with him slapping her back, but why the hell does she get a free pass to slap him first just for being a woman with a nice ass?

Can any guy here get away with slapping a woman in public for no reason?[/quote]

I can, because of my pimp skillz, playa!

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]adamhum wrote:
When I was like 8 I kicked a girl in the vjay.

In middle school this girl who was much bigger then me wanted to beat me up after class. I didn’t know what to do so i just stayed in the class. I guess that was the right thing to do, but i sure felt like a puss…[/quote]

Because you’re. I never started a fight with a punch, always a kick to the knee or tried to drop with a crotch shot, so not sure why I wouldn’t do the same thing to a woman. Less evidence of contact and easier to take them down without throwing your hands around showing everyone your hitting a woman.

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Hundreds of years of environmental conditioning. The American culture has had this belief since we landed on the rock. It has religous undertones of protecting the weak. Not that I agree with it but it is what it is.[/quote]

Damn Puritans…be more like a Catholic. Put a wench in her place, the kitchen![/quote]

And a kid on your lap. Just joking dont go all holy war on me. [/quote]

That’s priests, playa. I stick to the “young wimmenz.”

[DJHT]

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Hundreds of years of environmental conditioning. The American culture has had this belief since we landed on the rock. It has religous undertones of protecting the weak. Not that I agree with it but it is what it is.[/quote]

Damn Puritans…be more like a Catholic. Put a wench in her place, the kitchen![/quote]

And a kid on your lap. Just joking dont go all holy war on me. [/quote]

That’s priests, playa. I stick to the “young wimmenz.”[/quote]

I am far from a playa young one. So young Catholic women like the kitchen? Well I can tell you aint in Texas, cause the 90% of young Catholic women in Texas are Mexican and they dont play that here.

[Brother_Chris]

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Hundreds of years of environmental conditioning. The American culture has had this belief since we landed on the rock. It has religous undertones of protecting the weak. Not that I agree with it but it is what it is.[/quote]

Damn Puritans…be more like a Catholic. Put a wench in her place, the kitchen![/quote]

And a kid on your lap. Just joking dont go all holy war on me. [/quote]

That’s priests, playa. I stick to the “young wimmenz.”[/quote]

I am far from a playa young one. So young Catholic women like the kitchen? Well I can tell you aint in Texas, cause the 90% of young Catholic women in Texas are Mexican and they dont play that here. [/quote]

They just never met the mac daddy extraordinaire that be Brother Chris. Fo sho, Mexican women don’t like cooking? What is going on up in this bitch? Don’t make no sense.

[WhiteFlash]

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
My most recent ex and I had just moved in together. She went out with some friends and came home drunk. She started chirpin’ about who knows what and I wanted no part of it. Logically, my not wanting to fight got her even more riled up and she got to talking shit. She goes into the bedroom and slams the door. She’s screaming “Get the fuck outta here” so I walk in and she has the covers pulled over her head and is muttering more shit, I go and pull the covers back and as soon as her fist sees light it comes flyin’.

She tags me in the neck pretty well and I throw the covers back over her and say “I’m out.” She flips and is literally pulling my shirt and clawing at my neck shouting “No, don’t leave! You’re not going anywhere!” All the way to the front door. So, I spin around and put her over my shoulder caveman style while she’s beating on my back like a drum. I carry her to the bedroom, throw her on the bed, run to the door, close it and prop one of the dining room chairs under the door handle so she’s locked in the bedroom.

She’s shouting all kinds of shit and I say “If you’re gonna act like an animal I’m gonna put you in your cage.” I go back to chillin’ on the couch ignoring her screaming and banging on the door and she eventually stopped and passed out. She woke up the next day and apologized profusely.

I’ve been hit a lot harder for a lot sillier shit and didn’t feel the need to bust her back. Thought I handled that pretty well.[/quote]

who has outward swinging bedroom doors? I mean seriously[/quote]

They swung inwards. That’s how I could put a chair under the handle and lock her in from the outside.[/quote]

Hmmmmmm… I don’t know about that? My Extremely limited knowledge of physics makes me think that this is not possible… That the chair would just tip over. Further research seems nesecary.

If you could draw me a very detailed schematic/blueprint outlining each piece of the equation and the movements involved Ty would be quite helpful… Oh and make it to scale.[/quote]

Wedge the chair so it gets stuck under the handle and the side of the door frame.[/quote]

Bingo. How you didn’t get this Greg makes me think you need to spend more time locking crazy bitches up in their rooms.

[gregron]

[quote]imhungry wrote:
Hell, play fighting usually resulted in “you play too rough”.
[/quote]

^^ this. Whenever I’ve wrestled around with my girlfriend or ex girlfriends they always say I am too rough. Evenif I’m just controlling their wrists and holding them down they would say I squeezed their wrists too hard.

I’m sure if I was trying to restrain a violent female for real I would end up leaving marks on her wrists from squeezing them. If I had a real threat I would nuteralize it. One thing I learned from prisoner handling is appropriate force.

What is appropriate force? Whatever it takes to stop the threat.

I have never hit a girl but if the situation arose where I deemed it nessecary to do so then I would. If I felt like a quick shove wouldn’t take care of the threat and send some crazy chick flying across the room away from me then I’d escalate my force.

[OctoberGirl]

I don’t hit guys so I can’t imagine a guy hitting me. I have worked in a women’s domestic violence clinic so I probably have more a more jaded view on violence and women than some of the posters on here.

So no answer for the OP.

In regards to the guys that seem to encounter all these women that do hit men I have a question.

So in many threads there has been the discussion of men being “pussified” in today’s society. Do any of you think that this may be the reason some women are becoming the aggressors and violent? If so is it that they are becoming dominant, or do you think they are pushing at the guys to get them to step up and take the more dominant role?

I really have no idea. Also, is this a younger generation thing or do you see women in their 30’s and 40’s hitting men also?

[gregron]

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
My most recent ex and I had just moved in together. She went out with some friends and came home drunk. She started chirpin’ about who knows what and I wanted no part of it. Logically, my not wanting to fight got her even more riled up and she got to talking shit. She goes into the bedroom and slams the door. She’s screaming “Get the fuck outta here” so I walk in and she has the covers pulled over her head and is muttering more shit, I go and pull the covers back and as soon as her fist sees light it comes flyin’.

She tags me in the neck pretty well and I throw the covers back over her and say “I’m out.” She flips and is literally pulling my shirt and clawing at my neck shouting “No, don’t leave! You’re not going anywhere!” All the way to the front door. So, I spin around and put her over my shoulder caveman style while she’s beating on my back like a drum. I carry her to the bedroom, throw her on the bed, run to the door, close it and prop one of the dining room chairs under the door handle so she’s locked in the bedroom.

She’s shouting all kinds of shit and I say “If you’re gonna act like an animal I’m gonna put you in your cage.” I go back to chillin’ on the couch ignoring her screaming and banging on the door and she eventually stopped and passed out. She woke up the next day and apologized profusely.

I’ve been hit a lot harder for a lot sillier shit and didn’t feel the need to bust her back. Thought I handled that pretty well.[/quote]

who has outward swinging bedroom doors? I mean seriously[/quote]

They swung inwards. That’s how I could put a chair under the handle and lock her in from the outside.[/quote]

Hmmmmmm… I don’t know about that? My Extremely limited knowledge of physics makes me think that this is not possible… That the chair would just tip over. Further research seems nesecary.

If you could draw me a very detailed schematic/blueprint outlining each piece of the equation and the movements involved Ty would be quite helpful… Oh and make it to scale.[/quote]

Wedge the chair so it gets stuck under the handle and the side of the door frame.[/quote]

Bingo. How you didn’t get this Greg makes me think you need to spend more time locking crazy bitches up in their rooms.[/quote]

Ok I will admit that I have very little experience with locking up teh “crazy bitches”… And by very little I mean none

[gregron]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

I don’t hit guys so I can’t imagine a guy hitting me. I have worked in a women’s domestic violence clinic so I probably have more a more jaded view on violence and women than some of the posters on here.

So no answer for the OP.

In regards to the guys that seem to encounter all these women that do hit men I have a question.

So in many threads there has been the discussion of men being “pussified” in today’s society. Do any of you think that this may be the reason some women are becoming the aggressors and violent? If so is it that they are becoming dominant, or do you think they are pushing at the guys to get them to step up and take the more dominant role?

I really have no idea. Also, is this a younger generation thing or do you see women in their 30’s and 40’s hitting men also?
[/quote]

My aunt is in her 50’s and has been abusive to her ex husband… I don’t think it’s a generational thing. Maybe more of geographical thing? (like growing up in a rough area)

[OctoberGirl]

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

I don’t hit guys so I can’t imagine a guy hitting me. I have worked in a women’s domestic violence clinic so I probably have more a more jaded view on violence and women than some of the posters on here.

So no answer for the OP.

In regards to the guys that seem to encounter all these women that do hit men I have a question.

So in many threads there has been the discussion of men being “pussified” in today’s society. Do any of you think that this may be the reason some women are becoming the aggressors and violent? If so is it that they are becoming dominant, or do you think they are pushing at the guys to get them to step up and take the more dominant role?

I really have no idea. Also, is this a younger generation thing or do you see women in their 30’s and 40’s hitting men also?
[/quote]

My aunt is in her 50’s and has been abusive to her ex husband… I don’t think it’s a generational thing. Maybe more of geographical thing? (like growing up in a rough area)[/quote]

My dad is from Watts and my mom is from Detroit. So… not really a rough area thing. At least not with my family.

[Professor_X]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

So in many threads there has been the discussion of men being “pussified” in today’s society. Do any of you think that this may be the reason some women are becoming the aggressors and violent? If so is it that they are becoming dominant, or do you think they are pushing at the guys to get them to step up and take the more dominant role?

I really have no idea. Also, is this a younger generation thing or do you see women in their 30’s and 40’s hitting men also?
[/quote]

I see this happening (as far as violence in public) in women in their 20’s and 30’s. And yes, I do believe this is because more men are pussies lately and most men don’t have enough going on in their own lives to gain the respect of the female.

Let’s face it, if you live in HER house with no job, chances are, she will not respect you the way she would if it was the guy’s house and he was the bread winner…

But even further than that is just an overall level of disrespect towards men in general that I see lately and this is NOT just a young woman’s problem.

I have worked in all female clinics before and it was hell (many of these women were older than me). The level of gossip and “eye rolling” was to a level where I just left the situation. If I have a choice, I will not work in an environment like that again because a more mixed staff setting seems to be the least “dramatic” and disrespectful.

I have literally had female assistants roll their eyes and sigh loudly when I ask them to get me something…because that means getting up…and they are far too comfortable sitting down for that.

I doubt docs were dealing with that 20 years ago.

Overall, men have allowed a situation in this country where women are gaining power and we are losing it…because no one has figured out the end game of a situation where women get to play both the societal victim and the “strong independent female”.

You can’t have both.

[gregron]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

I don’t hit guys so I can’t imagine a guy hitting me. I have worked in a women’s domestic violence clinic so I probably have more a more jaded view on violence and women than some of the posters on here.

So no answer for the OP.

In regards to the guys that seem to encounter all these women that do hit men I have a question.

So in many threads there has been the discussion of men being “pussified” in today’s society. Do any of you think that this may be the reason some women are becoming the aggressors and violent? If so is it that they are becoming dominant, or do you think they are pushing at the guys to get them to step up and take the more dominant role?

I really have no idea. Also, is this a younger generation thing or do you see women in their 30’s and 40’s hitting men also?
[/quote]

My aunt is in her 50’s and has been abusive to her ex husband… I don’t think it’s a generational thing. Maybe more of geographical thing? (like growing up in a rough area)[/quote]

My dad is from Watts and my mom is from Detroit. So… not really a rough area thing. At least not with my family.

[/quote]
My grandpa is from Compton… So what?

Two examples don’t mean anything… That’s why I said “maybe” with a question mark? You do see more crime and violence in rougher neighborhoods and areas (hence why they’re known as “rough areas”)

FTR: my grandpa said Compton was a really nice area back then

[OctoberGirl]

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

So in many threads there has been the discussion of men being “pussified” in today’s society. Do any of you think that this may be the reason some women are becoming the aggressors and violent? If so is it that they are becoming dominant, or do you think they are pushing at the guys to get them to step up and take the more dominant role?

I really have no idea. Also, is this a younger generation thing or do you see women in their 30’s and 40’s hitting men also?
[/quote]

I see this happening (as far as violence in public) in women in their 20’s and 30’s. And yes, I do believe this is because more men are pussies lately and most men don’t have enough going on in their own lives to gain the respect of the female.

Let’s face it, if you live in HER house with no job, chances are, she will not respect you the way she would if it was the guy’s house and he was the bread winner…

But even further than that is just an overall level of disrespect towards men in general that I see lately and this is NOT just a young woman’s problem.

I have worked in all female clinics before and it was hell (many of these women were older than me). The level of gossip and “eye rolling” was to a level where I just left the situation. If I have a choice, I will not work in an environment like that again because a more mixed staff setting seems to be the least “dramatic” and disrespectful.

I have literally had female assistants roll their eyes and sigh loudly when I ask them to get me something…because that means getting up…and they are far too comfortable sitting down for that.

I doubt docs were dealing with that 20 years ago.

Overall, men have allowed a situation in this country where women are gaining power and we are losing it…because no one has figured out the end game of a situation where women get to play both the societal victim and the “strong independent female”.

You can’t have both.[/quote]

I don’t want to assume you are painting all women with the same brush because that would be offensive as well as wrong.

Women are more equal now then they have been. Thank goodness but as I am sure you know there are employment opportunities that are actually denied them by Federal mandate and that isn’t even just in the military. So, not completely equal and that is just in one arena.

It is a shame you seem to encounter so many of these women. I may just be lucky or perhaps I steer away from those types of people. I do still run into a lot of male chauvinism especially as I work in an office. I get asked to get coffee, but not my male counterparts, ever. Sometimes I do, or sometimes I won’t get the coffee depending on the situation, who is asking and how I am being asked.

I think a lot of men take out their frustrations about the economic situations on the women in their lives as well as women being frustrated with the men in their lives and the economic situation.

I do see men use their size and loud voices to intimidate and frighten women without even using physical force and that isn’t right either.

As I’ve said, I have worked with victims of violence and so I definitely have opinions in regards to violence but I don’t think hypotheticals ever help.

I do realize I have steered this thread away from the original topic, but on that, just because man won’t hit a woman doesn’t mean you should disparage him. They aren’t insulting you by having a differing answer to the OP’s question.

[OctoberGirl]

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

I don’t hit guys so I can’t imagine a guy hitting me. I have worked in a women’s domestic violence clinic so I probably have more a more jaded view on violence and women than some of the posters on here.

So no answer for the OP.

In regards to the guys that seem to encounter all these women that do hit men I have a question.

So in many threads there has been the discussion of men being “pussified” in today’s society. Do any of you think that this may be the reason some women are becoming the aggressors and violent? If so is it that they are becoming dominant, or do you think they are pushing at the guys to get them to step up and take the more dominant role?

I really have no idea. Also, is this a younger generation thing or do you see women in their 30’s and 40’s hitting men also?
[/quote]

My aunt is in her 50’s and has been abusive to her ex husband… I don’t think it’s a generational thing. Maybe more of geographical thing? (like growing up in a rough area)[/quote]

My dad is from Watts and my mom is from Detroit. So… not really a rough area thing. At least not with my family.

[/quote]
My grandpa is from Compton… So what?

Two examples don’t mean anything… That’s why I said “maybe” with a question mark? You do see more crime and violence in rougher neighborhoods and areas (hence why they’re known as “rough areas”)

FTR: my grandpa said Compton was a really nice area back then :)[/quote]

Yah… my dad was there during the Watts Riots. In fact my uncle was in the Army reserves and was dropped off 7 blocks from his own house.

We used to spend our summers either there, or in Detroit when I was a kid. I don’t ever remember either city being nice.

So the point is, apparently some people just use excuses because coming from a rough area doesn’t mean you are going to be an abuser.

[Professor_X]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

I don’t want to assume you are painting all women with the same brush because that would be offensive as well as wrong.[/quote]

It isn’t “all women”, but I would say it is definitely MOST especially younger women in terms of those thinking they have all of the power in a relationship or that they can manipulate their job situation as they see fit.

Let’s face it, human resources is the play ground of the dramatic manipulative female in the workplace.

[quote]
Women are more equal now then they have been. Thank goodness but as I am sure you know there are employment opportunities that are actually denied them by Federal mandate and that isn’t even just in the military. So, not completely equal and that is just in one arena.[/quote]

I think if a women is going to be thought of as equal, she should do what is necessary. I DON’T want some 130lbs man or woman working as a fire fighter trying to carry my big ass out a burning building. Therefore, if you are a weak man OR woman, you need to lift some fucking weights and eat a steak if you want that job.

[quote]

It is a shame you seem to encounter so many of these women. I may just be lucky or perhaps I steer away from those types of people. I do still run into a lot of male chauvinism especially as I work in an office. I get asked to get coffee, but not my male counterparts, ever. Sometimes I do, or sometimes I won’t get the coffee depending on the situation, who is asking and how I am being asked.[/quote]

I have not seen anything like that. I am asking ASSISTANTS to do their job and getting attitude for it. Mind you, this is definitely not all of them and my current situation is fine. However, I have MANY stories of women at work acting like I am the intruder in their female world in all female staffed situations.

[quote]

I think a lot of men take out their frustrations about the economic situations on the women in their lives as well as women being frustrated with the men in their lives and the economic situation.[/quote]

Love doesn’t pay the bills. I hope most mature people are aware of this before they get into a relationship.

[quote]

I do see men use their size and loud voices to intimidate and frighten women without even using physical force and that isn’t right either.[/quote]

Bullshit. It beats putting your hands on them. If my voice alone is good enough to diffuse a situation, you can bet i will use it.

As I’ve said, I have worked with victims of violence and so I definitely have opinions in regards to violence but I don’t think hypotheticals ever help.

I do realize I have steered this thread away from the original topic, but on that, just because man won’t hit a woman doesn’t mean you should disparage him. They aren’t insulting you by having a differing answer to the OP’s question.

I already know your background and I know how you usually respond. Once again, women are NOT the victims they may have been once before in society. They are now in more control than ever and in many instances have worked the system to their advantage at the disadvantage of some men.

[gregron]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

So the point is, apparently some people just use excuses because coming from a rough area doesn’t mean you are going to be an abuser.

[/quote]

Well that’s pretty obvious. Some people grow up in the ghetto but end up going to Harvard. Some people grow up in Beverly Hills but end up as drug addicts giving out handjobs for crack.

I think we can all agree that it’s all dependent on a lot of different factors.

With that being said, in general rougher areas will produce more rough people than areas that aren’t as rough.

[OctoberGirl]

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

I don’t want to assume you are painting all women with the same brush because that would be offensive as well as wrong.[/quote]

It isn’t “all women”, but I would say it is definitely MOST especially younger women in terms of those thinking they have all of the power in a relationship or that they can manipulate their job situation as they see fit.

Let’s face it, human resources is the play ground of the dramatic manipulative female in the workplace.[/quote]

Oh stop with the human resources being this inquisition for men and the last bastion of hope for women. Men run the companies and make the decisions on promotions and raises.

[quote]
Women are more equal now then they have been. Thank goodness but as I am sure you know there are employment opportunities that are actually denied them by Federal mandate and that isn’t even just in the military. So, not completely equal and that is just in one arena.[/quote]

[quote]
Professor X wrote:
I think if a women is going to be thought of as equal, she should do what is necessary. I DON’T want some 130lbs man or woman working as a fire fighter trying to carry my big ass out a burning building. Therefore, if you are a weak man OR woman, you need to lift some fucking weights and eat a steak if you want that job.[/quote]

So you are only commenting on the jobs that women are legally allowed to obtain? Not the fact that the job market isn’t equal to women. Okay.

So long as everyone is aware, it isn’t equal yet.

I agree with you that there shouldn’t be gender norming for jobs. Safety and ability should come first.

[quote]

It is a shame you seem to encounter so many of these women. I may just be lucky or perhaps I steer away from those types of people. I do still run into a lot of male chauvinism especially as I work in an office. I get asked to get coffee, but not my male counterparts, ever. Sometimes I do, or sometimes I won’t get the coffee depending on the situation, who is asking and how I am being asked.[/quote]

[quote]
Professor X wrote:
I have not seen anything like that. I am asking ASSISTANTS to do their job and getting attitude for it. Mind you, this is definitely not all of them and my current situation is fine. However, I have MANY stories of women at work acting like I am the intruder in their female world in all female staffed situations. [/quote]

So in your particular field this is where you have encountered this behavior. You didn’t seem to remark about the treatment I have received as a woman.

It is offensive to be treated different just because of your gender.

I think a lot of younger people in general haven’t been raised with manners and social niceties as children used to be taught, and that seems to be across the board for men and women.

[quote]

I think a lot of men take out their frustrations about the economic situations on the women in their lives as well as women being frustrated with the men in their lives and the economic situation.[/quote]

[quote]
Professor X wrote:
Love doesn’t pay the bills. I hope most mature people are aware of this before they get into a relationship. [/quote]

I agree. I just have seen men try to reassert themselves as dominant by using physical force because they don’t have a job.

[quote]

I do see men use their size and loud voices to intimidate and frighten women without even using physical force and that isn’t right either.[/quote]

[quote]
Professor X wrote:
Bullshit. It beats putting your hands on them. If my voice alone is good enough to diffuse a situation, you can bet i will use it.[/quote]

Not true. Emotional abuse is insidious and not to be accepted. Why would you excuse a man for abusing a woman? You seem to interpret my post as saying he is “schooling her for some bad behavior” Bullshit. Some guys do it just because they are assholes and to keep their women in place.

As I’ve said, I have worked with victims of violence and so I definitely have opinions in regards to violence but I don’t think hypotheticals ever help.

I do realize I have steered this thread away from the original topic, but on that, just because man won’t hit a woman doesn’t mean you should disparage him. They aren’t insulting you by having a differing answer to the OP’s question.

Professor X wrote:
I already know your background and I know how you usually respond. Once again, women are NOT the victims they may have been once before in society. They are now in more control than ever and in many instances have worked the system to their advantage at the disadvantage of some men.

You didn’t read what I posted. I wasn’t actually referring to me. You disparaged men who posted because they didn’t respond as you had. You belittled them for saying they wouldn’t hit a woman. Why you take potshots at them I don’t know, but you had no reason to. You weren’t asking them why, you disparaged them. It wasn’t a discussion.

Women have more control now, yes… but we do not hold all the power.

In regards to domestic violence HERE, I know that both parties will be taken away if it is determined that blows were struck on both sides. Officers MUST remove them. There is no talking or crying your way out of it.

As you know my sides of this issue, believe me I have read ad nauseum about your terrible encounters with these awful women. I hope you find a better mix of people to interact with.

why do you suppose you attract these kinds of people?

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So in many threads there has been the discussion of men being “pussified” in today’s society. Do any of you think that this may be the reason some women are becoming the aggressors and violent? If so is it that they are becoming dominant, or do you think they are pushing at the guys to get them to step up and take the more dominant role?

I really have no idea. Also, is this a younger generation thing or do you see women in their 30’s and 40’s hitting men also?
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I see this happening (as far as violence in public) in women in their 20’s and 30’s. And yes, I do believe this is because more men are pussies lately and most men don’t have enough going on in their own lives to gain the respect of the female.

Let’s face it, if you live in HER house with no job, chances are, she will not respect you the way she would if it was the guy’s house and he was the bread winner…

But even further than that is just an overall level of disrespect towards men in general that I see lately and this is NOT just a young woman’s problem.

I have worked in all female clinics before and it was hell (many of these women were older than me). The level of gossip and “eye rolling” was to a level where I just left the situation. If I have a choice, I will not work in an environment like that again because a more mixed staff setting seems to be the least “dramatic” and disrespectful.

I have literally had female assistants roll their eyes and sigh loudly when I ask them to get me something…because that means getting up…and they are far too comfortable sitting down for that.

I doubt docs were dealing with that 20 years ago.

Overall, men have allowed a situation in this country where women are gaining power and we are losing it…because no one has figured out the end game of a situation where women get to play both the societal victim and the “strong independent female”.

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I completely agree. Women and men are different, but if women want to be equal with men, then they have to take the good with the bad.

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So you are only commenting on the jobs that women are legally allowed to obtain? Not the fact that the job market isn’t equal to women. Okay.

So long as everyone is aware, it isn’t equal yet.

I agree with you that there shouldn’t be gender norming for jobs. Safety and ability should come first.

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Give an example of what you mean when you say the job market isn’t equal to women? I’ve never seen it.