Is It Ever Okay to Hit a Woman?

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[quote]Beast27195 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
I have to say, the white knights are very funny at the least.

It’s never OK to hit anyone, but sometimes situations will warrant it. There are countless situations where I would deck someone, that doesn’t mean I think it’s a good thing. Then again, when I fly off the handle, I really lose it, so I try to avoid those situations. Last fight I was in I went out of my way to break a guys arm.

Seeing red is not fun.[/quote]

I’m amazed this thread is still going. Mak, Prof. X, Lew, and several others are realists. And I definitely appreciate “real.” I’ve spent almost a decade bouncing at the clubs, as well. I’m currently in a combat zone where these lil fragile women, that most of you “white knights” keep on a pedestal, are side-by-side with us men, trying to stay alive by any means necessary. Same place where some women will pick up a weapon and kill us. Or blow themselves up to kill us. This is true in the states and elsewhere. Women may be the supposed ‘weaker’ sex, but it doesn’t take a tremendous amount of power to incapacitate a man. I’m not walking away from shit. That involves turning your back, and that is something common damned sense tells me not to do. Just as I’m not going to merely take a hostile woman down on the ground and hold her. Especially if there are more of you “white knights” around. In any physical conflict, it’s them or me. Where you decide to put yourself in that equation is on you.

Whiteflash, I can see your situation, as that was your significant other. I would probably react the same way. But in any other situation, where I don’t know you, and you mean me harm? You’re going to be dealt with swiftly and efficiently. If that involves knocking you into the middle of next month, so be it.

Edgy, keep your emotions out of this debate. As was mentioned already, big difference between abuse and defense. We are discussing defense.

ID, I can understand being hard-wired, however, having been shot by a woman, damn near stabbed, and punched just for being in her vision…I’ve long since taken the kiddie gloves off. [/quote]

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa…

A decade’s worth of bouncing? You’re old!

Ok, back to sleep.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]Beast27195 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
I have to say, the white knights are very funny at the least.

It’s never OK to hit anyone, but sometimes situations will warrant it. There are countless situations where I would deck someone, that doesn’t mean I think it’s a good thing. Then again, when I fly off the handle, I really lose it, so I try to avoid those situations. Last fight I was in I went out of my way to break a guys arm.

Seeing red is not fun.[/quote]

I’m amazed this thread is still going. Mak, Prof. X, Lew, and several others are realists. And I definitely appreciate “real.” I’ve spent almost a decade bouncing at the clubs, as well. I’m currently in a combat zone where these lil fragile women, that most of you “white knights” keep on a pedestal, are side-by-side with us men, trying to stay alive by any means necessary. Same place where some women will pick up a weapon and kill us. Or blow themselves up to kill us. This is true in the states and elsewhere. Women may be the supposed ‘weaker’ sex, but it doesn’t take a tremendous amount of power to incapacitate a man. I’m not walking away from shit. That involves turning your back, and that is something common damned sense tells me not to do. Just as I’m not going to merely take a hostile woman down on the ground and hold her. Especially if there are more of you “white knights” around. In any physical conflict, it’s them or me. Where you decide to put yourself in that equation is on you.

Whiteflash, I can see your situation, as that was your significant other. I would probably react the same way. But in any other situation, where I don’t know you, and you mean me harm? You’re going to be dealt with swiftly and efficiently. If that involves knocking you into the middle of next month, so be it.

Edgy, keep your emotions out of this debate. As was mentioned already, big difference between abuse and defense. We are discussing defense.

ID, I can understand being hard-wired, however, having been shot by a woman, damn near stabbed, and punched just for being in her vision…I’ve long since taken the kiddie gloves off. [/quote]

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa…

A decade’s worth of bouncing? You’re old!

Ok, back to sleep.
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FUCK YOOOOOUUUUUU!!! Aren’t the 30’s the new 20’s, or some BS like that?

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[quote]Beast27195 wrote:

[quote]WolBarret wrote:

[quote]Beast27195 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
I have to say, the white knights are very funny at the least.

It’s never OK to hit anyone, but sometimes situations will warrant it. There are countless situations where I would deck someone, that doesn’t mean I think it’s a good thing. Then again, when I fly off the handle, I really lose it, so I try to avoid those situations. Last fight I was in I went out of my way to break a guys arm.

Seeing red is not fun.[/quote]

I’m amazed this thread is still going. Mak, Prof. X, Lew, and several others are realists. And I definitely appreciate “real.” I’ve spent almost a decade bouncing at the clubs, as well. I’m currently in a combat zone where these lil fragile women, that most of you “white knights” keep on a pedestal, are side-by-side with us men, trying to stay alive by any means necessary. Same place where some women will pick up a weapon and kill us. Or blow themselves up to kill us. This is true in the states and elsewhere. Women may be the supposed ‘weaker’ sex, but it doesn’t take a tremendous amount of power to incapacitate a man. I’m not walking away from shit. That involves turning your back, and that is something common damned sense tells me not to do. Just as I’m not going to merely take a hostile woman down on the ground and hold her. Especially if there are more of you “white knights” around. In any physical conflict, it’s them or me. Where you decide to put yourself in that equation is on you.

Whiteflash, I can see your situation, as that was your significant other. I would probably react the same way. But in any other situation, where I don’t know you, and you mean me harm? You’re going to be dealt with swiftly and efficiently. If that involves knocking you into the middle of next month, so be it.

Edgy, keep your emotions out of this debate. As was mentioned already, big difference between abuse and defense. We are discussing defense.

ID, I can understand being hard-wired, however, having been shot by a woman, damn near stabbed, and punched just for being in her vision…I’ve long since taken the kiddie gloves off. [/quote]

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa…

A decade’s worth of bouncing? You’re old!

Ok, back to sleep.
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FUCK YOOOOOUUUUUU!!! Aren’t the 30’s the new 20’s, or some BS like that? [/quote]

That’s what all old people say when they try to hold on to their youth and not accept reality.

So why are we talking about beating women again??

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]krazykoukides wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Dread wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BreStruction wrote:

[quote]Edgy wrote:
No.

don’t ever hit a woman. period.

Don’t hit a transexual, or transgender, or skinny faggot either.

my $.02[/quote]

agreed. even if the woman started something with you, hitting her as a reaction to something they said or did- or emotionally fucking with them for weeks (see DB above); especially when you know they are weaker or more fucked up than you - that is classic douche baggery. Just walk away and stop trying to prove something to a messed up person.[/quote]

Have you ever been hit by a woman hard enough to feel real pain?

This is NOT about some woman talking and then some guy hitting her. This is about VIOLENT women who think they can haul off and hit a guy with no repercussions because society thinks no man can hit a woman no matter what she does.[/quote]

Then subdue and restrain, that’s still no reason to hit. Unless it’s the absolute last resort and this chick is stronger than you (judging by your pics, doubting that’s ever going to happen) and seriously causing you injury/threatening your life.
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You seem to lack much experience here. If any marks are left on her while you “subdue and restrain, you will be going to jail”.[/quote]

Oh right. So punching her would be better right choice?

And no, I never had a woman pull a knife on me (though an ex did punch me repeatedly in the face, neck and chest once, while I resisted retaliating the whole time until she “got it all out” and stormed out of my apartment.

EDIT: Since you seem to hold onto your opinion based on YOUR experience with a knife-wielding female, may I assume it really scarred you and that you were probably 150 lbs then?

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You let her punch you in the face repeatedly? lol[/quote]

It all happened so quickly… and this was AFTER she grabbed me by the neck and slammed me into the closet door. lol

Seriously… I had to keep my arms and hands straight down at my sides in order to keep from “defending” myself. It was a very heated few moments there, and she only stopped the pummeling when I laughed out loud right in her face. I think she thought I was enjoying it, so she stopped, laid a few choice words on me, and stormed out.

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You sir, are a better man than I. My ex and I were fighting and I was just sick of it and told her to leave, after she said no I started pushing her out of the house. She threw her head back and split my lip open…through the wall her head went…A thought never even crossed my mind, it was I’ve been hit, someone is getting hit back.

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Also, I think we should try the appropriately named “manhandling” before you hit the woman with a hand, if not just to save you the legal trouble and all the endless explaining you’d have to do over the years like that previous poster (name escapes me now) had.

I mean all of our weight training may be for naught if you can’t hold a woman down or keep her at arm’s length. Also, I really don’t know how to counter a knife attack without getting my arms all stabbed up so that’s why i’d literally run as fast as I could from a woman with a knife.

And I should add that I used to work for Child and Family Services and since I’m a robust type I would be given the ‘tough’ kids ( teenagers up to age 18) when I worked at I guess what you’d call the Halfway House and could control a kid physically without punching.

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Those women act up because they’re lost and confused. Give them an apron and a map back to the kitchen.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
My most recent ex and I had just moved in together. She went out with some friends and came home drunk. She started chirpin’ about who knows what and I wanted no part of it. Logically, my not wanting to fight got her even more riled up and she got to talking shit. She goes into the bedroom and slams the door. She’s screaming “Get the fuck outta here” so I walk in and she has the covers pulled over her head and is muttering more shit, I go and pull the covers back and as soon as her fist sees light it comes flyin’.

She tags me in the neck pretty well and I throw the covers back over her and say “I’m out.” She flips and is literally pulling my shirt and clawing at my neck shouting “No, don’t leave! You’re not going anywhere!” All the way to the front door. So, I spin around and put her over my shoulder caveman style while she’s beating on my back like a drum. I carry her to the bedroom, throw her on the bed, run to the door, close it and prop one of the dining room chairs under the door handle so she’s locked in the bedroom.

She’s shouting all kinds of shit and I say “If you’re gonna act like an animal I’m gonna put you in your cage.” I go back to chillin’ on the couch ignoring her screaming and banging on the door and she eventually stopped and passed out. She woke up the next day and apologized profusely.

I’ve been hit a lot harder for a lot sillier shit and didn’t feel the need to bust her back. Thought I handled that pretty well.[/quote]

who has outward swinging bedroom doors? I mean seriously[/quote]

I thought the exact same thing!

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[quote]Nards wrote:
Also, I think we should try the appropriately named “manhandling” before you hit the woman with a hand, if not just to save you the legal trouble and all the endless explaining you’d have to do over the years like that previous poster (name escapes me now) had.

I mean all of our weight training may be for naught if you can’t hold a woman down or keep her at arm’s length. Also, I really don’t know how to counter a knife attack without getting my arms all stabbed up so that’s why i’d literally run as fast as I could from a woman with a knife.

And I should add that I used to work for Child and Family Services and since I’m a robust type I would be given the ‘tough’ kids ( teenagers up to age 18) when I worked at I guess what you’d call the Halfway House and could control a kid physically without punching.[/quote]

All of this “hold the woman down” bullshit is getting out of hand. Exactly how long do you plan on holding her down and how do you expect to do this without her writhing around trying to kick you causing you to leave very evident marks all over her? How long before her friends jump in to attack you? How do you plan to fight them if your hands are full holding some heifer down who was trying to attack you?

Controlling a kid is a tad different than trying to hold down a grown woman who can weigh upwards of 150lbs on average.

I think we are all on the same page that avoiding conflict is the best option, but in a real world scenario at a club with 100 people around, this line of thinking seems like it will get you in even more trouble.

It isn’t like you get extra points for holding her down. She can still twist that into assault.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Nards wrote:
Also, I think we should try the appropriately named “manhandling” before you hit the woman with a hand, if not just to save you the legal trouble and all the endless explaining you’d have to do over the years like that previous poster (name escapes me now) had.

I mean all of our weight training may be for naught if you can’t hold a woman down or keep her at arm’s length. Also, I really don’t know how to counter a knife attack without getting my arms all stabbed up so that’s why i’d literally run as fast as I could from a woman with a knife.

And I should add that I used to work for Child and Family Services and since I’m a robust type I would be given the ‘tough’ kids ( teenagers up to age 18) when I worked at I guess what you’d call the Halfway House and could control a kid physically without punching.[/quote]

All of this “hold the woman down” bullshit is getting out of hand. Exactly how long do you plan on holding her down and how do you expect to do this without her writhing around trying to kick you causing you to leave very evident marks all over her? How long before her friends jump in to attack you? How do you plan to fight them if your hands are full holding some heifer down who was trying to attack you?

Controlling a kid is a tad different than trying to hold down a grown woman who can weigh upwards of 150lbs on average.

I think we are all on the same page that avoiding conflict is the best option, but in a real world scenario at a club with 100 people around, this line of thinking seems like it will get you in even more trouble.

It isn’t like you get extra points for holding her down. She can still twist that into assault.[/quote]

In Texas, a good DA can twist that into unlawful restraint and possibly get a felony on you.

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[quote]Nards wrote:
I mean all of our weight training may be for naught if you can’t hold a woman down or keep her at arm’s length. Also, I really don’t know how to counter a knife attack without getting my arms all stabbed up so that’s why i’d literally run as fast as I could from a woman with a knife.
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This site has everything.

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[quote]lawsonsamuels wrote:

In Texas, a good DA can twist that into unlawful restraint and possibly get a felony on you.
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I don’t think some here understand yet that our own legal system is the problem. If women KNEW for a fact that they would meet the same fate as a man for any form of assault, then we would have less instances of grown women acting like they can hit any man they want without going to jail for it.

It isn’t an issue about whether hitting someone is better than holding someone down. If your life is at risk, hopefully you have the sense to act in the way that protects YOU and your loved ones the best, NOT in whatever way makes you look like a white knight to all women.

One poster above mentioned a masked assailant attacking you and finding out later they were a woman. If you would have acted any different based on the sex of the attacker, you would be DEAD.

It is like some here really believe women are incapable of shit like this.

Why is that?

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^ Hundreds of years of environmental conditioning. The American culture has had this belief since we landed on the rock. It has religous undertones of protecting the weak. Not that I agree with it but it is what it is.

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After reading through this thread some of you appear to be going purely off emotion and not logic.

My ex-wife was the type a lot of you talk about who would instigate and start shit and run her mouth because a lot of guys will not strike back (verbally or physically) and she knew I always had her back. After awhile, the shit gets old.

When I started saying, “You’re on your own.” or just turning around and walking away leaving her there to stir shit up, by herself, it ended pretty quickly. If some guy had dropped her, I honestly would have felt she deserved it.

The other thing is this outdated notion that women are weak and defenseless or that you can subdue them. Sometimes you can subdue sometimes you can’t, but to say you should restrain her in all situations is ridiculous black and white thinking. Have you ever seen women fight each other? Have you ever seen how messed up the guys get who try to break that crap up?

All three of the immediate female cousins I have on my dad’s side could probably kick most guys asses - one is only about 5’2" 120 lbs is a correctional officer and took tae kwon do for over 20 years. Another is ex-military, about 5’6" 160 lbs and benches 225 for reps, easy. She was the girl cousin who hung out with all us boys so she was in the gym with us all the time.

The 3rd is the 2nd one’s baby sister and is about 5’4" 170 and I used to watch her physically abuse and beat her ex-husband’s ass on a regular basis. Hell, one time I saw her whip 3 guy’s asses at the same time by herself.

You guys who say it is never right to hit a woman are living in a fantasy world.

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
After reading through this thread some of you appear to be going purely off emotion and not logic.

My ex-wife was the type a lot of you talk about who would instigate and start shit and run her mouth because a lot of guys will not strike back (verbally or physically) and she knew I always had her back. After awhile, the shit gets old. When I started saying, “You’re on your own.” or just turning around and walking away leaving her there to stir shit up, by herself. It ended pretty quickly. If some guy had dropped her, I honestly would have felt she deserved it.

The other thing is this outdated notion that women are weak and defenseless or that you can subdue them. Sometimes you can subdue sometimes you can’t, but to say you should restrain her in all situations is ridiculous black and white thinking. Have you ever seen women fight each other? Have you ever seen how messed up the guys get who try to break that crap up?

All three of the immediate female cousins I have on my dad’s side could probably kick most guys asses - one is only about 5’2" 120 lbs is a correctional officer and took tae kwon do for over 20 years. Another is ex-military, about 5’6" 160 lbs and benches 225 for reps, easy. She was the girl cousin who hung out with all us boys so she was in the gym with us all the time. The 3rd is the 2nd one’s baby sister and is about 5’4" 170 and I used to watch her physically abuse and beat her ex-husband’s ass on a regular basis. Hell, one time I saw her whip 3 guy’s asses at the same time by herself.

You guys who say it is never right to hit a woman are living in a fantasy world. [/quote]

I think most of them have never experienced what some of us are talking about.

That is what I meant by “sheltered”.

I grew up in South Houston and seeing girls beat each other up for gang initiation is something that wasn’t that rare in the late 80’s. Most of these guys would get KILLED thinking they can just hold them down effortlessly.

That bullshit has to stem from the belief that women are weak…which is quite ironic coming from a “white knight” seeing as women are supposed to be “equal”.

They either are or they aren’t. if women are still the “weaker sex” then they are NOT equal and should act accordingly. If they are equal, then this bullshit where we assume the woman is in the right initially is outdated nonsense.

I am still amazed some guys related this with some guy beating his wife after getting drunk.

It is like some guys can’t think when their penis gets in the way.

That video someone posted is actually a good example…SHE slapped HIM first. Granted, I do not agree with him slapping her back, but why the hell does she get a free pass to slap him first just for being a woman with a nice ass?

Can any guy here get away with slapping a woman in public for no reason?

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
After reading through this thread some of you appear to be going purely off emotion and not logic.

My ex-wife was the type a lot of you talk about who would instigate and start shit and run her mouth because a lot of guys will not strike back (verbally or physically) and she knew I always had her back. After awhile, the shit gets old. When I started saying, “You’re on your own.” or just turning around and walking away leaving her there to stir shit up, by herself. It ended pretty quickly. If some guy had dropped her, I honestly would have felt she deserved it.

The other thing is this outdated notion that women are weak and defenseless or that you can subdue them. Sometimes you can subdue sometimes you can’t, but to say you should restrain her in all situations is ridiculous black and white thinking. Have you ever seen women fight each other? Have you ever seen how messed up the guys get who try to break that crap up?

All three of the immediate female cousins I have on my dad’s side could probably kick most guys asses - one is only about 5’2" 120 lbs is a correctional officer and took tae kwon do for over 20 years. Another is ex-military, about 5’6" 160 lbs and benches 225 for reps, easy. She was the girl cousin who hung out with all us boys so she was in the gym with us all the time. The 3rd is the 2nd one’s baby sister and is about 5’4" 170 and I used to watch her physically abuse and beat her ex-husband’s ass on a regular basis. Hell, one time I saw her whip 3 guy’s asses at the same time by herself.

You guys who say it is never right to hit a woman are living in a fantasy world. [/quote]

I think i found a video of you and your ex wife.

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It depends on the circumstances and the woman that i’m dealing with.

I’ve had ex’s that had shitty tempers and one that was in a physically abusive marriage. Whenever the “what if” conversation came up, and they wanted to know if i’d hit back, all I usually said was, “try it”… I never had a problem. The doubt was enough deter them from getting physical.

Hell, play fighting usually resulted in “you play too rough”.

The reality of it is that I honestly don’t know what i’d do. I’m very even-keeled, rational and laid back… BUT, I have my limits.

At my age, i’m RARELY around the type of women who display this type of behavior, so hopefully i’ll never be in a situation to find out.

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[quote]hairygorillaguy wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
After reading through this thread some of you appear to be going purely off emotion and not logic.

My ex-wife was the type a lot of you talk about who would instigate and start shit and run her mouth because a lot of guys will not strike back (verbally or physically) and she knew I always had her back. After awhile, the shit gets old. When I started saying, “You’re on your own.” or just turning around and walking away leaving her there to stir shit up, by herself. It ended pretty quickly. If some guy had dropped her, I honestly would have felt she deserved it.

The other thing is this outdated notion that women are weak and defenseless or that you can subdue them. Sometimes you can subdue sometimes you can’t, but to say you should restrain her in all situations is ridiculous black and white thinking. Have you ever seen women fight each other? Have you ever seen how messed up the guys get who try to break that crap up?

All three of the immediate female cousins I have on my dad’s side could probably kick most guys asses - one is only about 5’2" 120 lbs is a correctional officer and took tae kwon do for over 20 years. Another is ex-military, about 5’6" 160 lbs and benches 225 for reps, easy. She was the girl cousin who hung out with all us boys so she was in the gym with us all the time. The 3rd is the 2nd one’s baby sister and is about 5’4" 170 and I used to watch her physically abuse and beat her ex-husband’s ass on a regular basis. Hell, one time I saw her whip 3 guy’s asses at the same time by herself.

You guys who say it is never right to hit a woman are living in a fantasy world. [/quote]

I think i found a video of you and your ex wife.

I find that offensive, sir. I have never been THAT fat or that stupid. LOL

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When I was like 8 I kicked a girl in the vjay.

In middle school this girl who was much bigger then me wanted to beat me up after class. I didn’t know what to do so i just stayed in the class. I guess that was the right thing to do, but i sure felt like a puss…

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[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Hundreds of years of environmental conditioning. The American culture has had this belief since we landed on the rock. It has religous undertones of protecting the weak. Not that I agree with it but it is what it is.[/quote]

Damn Puritans…be more like a Catholic. Put a wench in her place, the kitchen!

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Hundreds of years of environmental conditioning. The American culture has had this belief since we landed on the rock. It has religous undertones of protecting the weak. Not that I agree with it but it is what it is.[/quote]

Damn Puritans…be more like a Catholic. Put a wench in her place, the kitchen![/quote]

And a kid on your lap. :slight_smile: Just joking dont go all holy war on me.