Is It Ever Okay to Hit a Woman?

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[quote]clip11 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

So in many threads there has been the discussion of men being “pussified” in today’s society. Do any of you think that this may be the reason some women are becoming the aggressors and violent? If so is it that they are becoming dominant, or do you think they are pushing at the guys to get them to step up and take the more dominant role?

I really have no idea. Also, is this a younger generation thing or do you see women in their 30’s and 40’s hitting men also?
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I see this happening (as far as violence in public) in women in their 20’s and 30’s. And yes, I do believe this is because more men are pussies lately and most men don’t have enough going on in their own lives to gain the respect of the female.

Let’s face it, if you live in HER house with no job, chances are, she will not respect you the way she would if it was the guy’s house and he was the bread winner…

But even further than that is just an overall level of disrespect towards men in general that I see lately and this is NOT just a young woman’s problem.

I have worked in all female clinics before and it was hell (many of these women were older than me). The level of gossip and “eye rolling” was to a level where I just left the situation. If I have a choice, I will not work in an environment like that again because a more mixed staff setting seems to be the least “dramatic” and disrespectful.

I have literally had female assistants roll their eyes and sigh loudly when I ask them to get me something…because that means getting up…and they are far too comfortable sitting down for that.

I doubt docs were dealing with that 20 years ago.

Overall, men have allowed a situation in this country where women are gaining power and we are losing it…because no one has figured out the end game of a situation where women get to play both the societal victim and the “strong independent female”.

You can’t have both.[/quote]

I completely agree. Women and men are different, but if women want to be equal with men, then they have to take the good with the bad.
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So you believe that women are equal in all areas?

Your quote “want to be equal” implies that they are not.

Also, in many areas, women aren’t. So do you only mean equal in regards to physical abuse?

Can you clarify what you mean by equal?

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

So in your particular field this is where you have encountered this behavior. You didn’t seem to remark about the treatment I have received as a woman. [/quote]

I don’t know what you have experienced aside from your comment about getting coffee. I don’t know what your job title is. If your job includes getting coffee, then I don’t see a problem at all. If you aren’t even tasked for that and this is like someone asking me to clean the restrooms, then by all means, fight it.

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It is offensive to be treated different just because of your gender.[/quote]

Please. I HAVE to treat the women differently than I would treat a guy in an all female workplace. The women need more attention. To even argue this is insane. It isn’t equal because it can’t be. I can have an office staff of half guys and none of the same issues will come up.

I understand what you mean in terms of “poor treatment” but in what professional setting can you treat an all female staff like you would treat an all male staff?

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I think a lot of younger people in general haven’t been raised with manners and social niceties as children used to be taught, and that seems to be across the board for men and women.[/quote]

No argument there.

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I agree. I just have seen men try to reassert themselves as dominant by using physical force because they don’t have a job. [/quote]

??

We are not discussing domestic abuse against women who are non-violent.

I’m sorry, but where did you write emotional abuse before now? You wrote about speaking loudly to diffuse a situation…which is FINE. Me using my physical attributes to diffuse a situation non-violently does NOT equal emotional abuse.

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You didn’t read what I posted. I wasn’t actually referring to me. You disparaged men who posted because they didn’t respond as you had. You belittled them for saying they wouldn’t hit a woman. Why you take potshots at them I don’t know, but you had no reason to. You weren’t asking them why, you disparaged them. It wasn’t a discussion.[/quote]

I’m sorry but what the hell are you talking about? I took pot shots at them? If my life or theirs is on the line, you stand behind the act of me DYING all so no women get hit?

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Women have more control now, yes… but we do not hold all the power.[/quote]

Nor should you.

Attract? i am talking about a past job experience. Those people were there when I got there. I didn’t “attract” them.

As far as the crazy woman I spoke of earlier, this was a woman at another table while I was with my friends. Once again, no one “attracted” her. She was there when we got there.

Maybe you need to realize that your experiences are limited.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

So in your particular field this is where you have encountered this behavior. You didn’t seem to remark about the treatment I have received as a woman. [/quote]

Professor X wrote:
I don’t know what you have experienced aside from your comment about getting coffee. I don’t know what your job title is. If your job includes getting coffee, then I don’t see a problem at all. If you aren’t even tasked for that and this is like someone asking me to clean the restrooms, then by all means, fight it.[/quote]

Nope, not part of my duties. I am an auditor as was my male counterpart.

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It is offensive to be treated different just because of your gender.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Please. I HAVE to treat the women differently than I would treat a guy in an all female workplace. The women need more attention. To even argue this is insane. It isn’t equal because it can’t be. I can have an office staff of half guys and none of the same issues will come up.

I understand what you mean in terms of “poor treatment” but in what professional setting can you treat an all female staff like you would treat an all male staff? [/quote]

What??? I work in the accounting field and the legal field. ESPECIALLY in the legal field you better have your act together and treat people equally.

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I agree. I just have seen men try to reassert themselves as dominant by using physical force because they don’t have a job. [/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
??

We are not discussing domestic abuse against women who are non-violent.[/quote]

Why not? Why have you limited it to some strange and random attack? The OP’s question is “Is It Ever Okay to Hit a Woman?”

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’m sorry, but where did you write emotional abuse before now? You wrote about speaking loudly to diffuse a situation…which is FINE. Me using my physical attributes to diffuse a situation non-violently does NOT equal emotional abuse.[/quote]

Why did I have to say emotional abuse? Why did you assume it was a man DEFENDING himself?

YOU put the guy on the pedestal of “speaking loudly to diffuse a situation…” Why would you assume that? Talk about a bent about women.

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You didn’t read what I posted. I wasn’t actually referring to me. You disparaged men who posted because they didn’t respond as you had. You belittled them for saying they wouldn’t hit a woman. Why you take potshots at them I don’t know, but you had no reason to. You weren’t asking them why, you disparaged them. It wasn’t a discussion.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’m sorry but what the hell are you talking about? I took pot shots at them? If my life or theirs is on the line, you stand behind the act of me DYING all so no women get hit? [/quote]

Yah, you did. You said they were white knights and had no life experience. Why not go back and read what you posted. What was the reason for that. They didn’t call you an asshole or say you were hostile and a rage monster.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Attract? i am talking about a past job experience. Those people were there when I got there. I didn’t “attract” them.

As far as the crazy woman I spoke of earlier, this was a woman at another table while I was with my friends. Once again, no one “attracted” her. She was there when we got there.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Maybe you need to realize that your experiences are limited.[/quote]

Maybe you should stop inferring what you want. I have often explained my experiences. I wasn’t sheltered and I have been the victim of violence. You seem to sling that around as if you are the only one ever to be or have lived in a bad part of town or has had to fight even fight for their life.

But that is your fall back. “your experiences are limited.” You do say that a lot to people who don’t agree with you.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
My most recent ex and I had just moved in together. She went out with some friends and came home drunk. She started chirpin’ about who knows what and I wanted no part of it. Logically, my not wanting to fight got her even more riled up and she got to talking shit. She goes into the bedroom and slams the door. She’s screaming “Get the fuck outta here” so I walk in and she has the covers pulled over her head and is muttering more shit, I go and pull the covers back and as soon as her fist sees light it comes flyin’.

She tags me in the neck pretty well and I throw the covers back over her and say “I’m out.” She flips and is literally pulling my shirt and clawing at my neck shouting “No, don’t leave! You’re not going anywhere!” All the way to the front door. So, I spin around and put her over my shoulder caveman style while she’s beating on my back like a drum. I carry her to the bedroom, throw her on the bed, run to the door, close it and prop one of the dining room chairs under the door handle so she’s locked in the bedroom.

She’s shouting all kinds of shit and I say “If you’re gonna act like an animal I’m gonna put you in your cage.” I go back to chillin’ on the couch ignoring her screaming and banging on the door and she eventually stopped and passed out. She woke up the next day and apologized profusely.

I’ve been hit a lot harder for a lot sillier shit and didn’t feel the need to bust her back. Thought I handled that pretty well.[/quote]

who has outward swinging bedroom doors? I mean seriously[/quote]

They swung inwards. That’s how I could put a chair under the handle and lock her in from the outside.[/quote]

Hmmmmmm… I don’t know about that? My Extremely limited knowledge of physics makes me think that this is not possible… That the chair would just tip over. Further research seems nesecary.

If you could draw me a very detailed schematic/blueprint outlining each piece of the equation and the movements involved Ty would be quite helpful… Oh and make it to scale.[/quote]

Wedge the chair so it gets stuck under the handle and the side of the door frame.[/quote]

Bingo. How you didn’t get this Greg makes me think you need to spend more time locking crazy bitches up in their rooms.[/quote]

Ok I will admit that I have very little experience with locking up teh “crazy bitches”… And by very little I mean none[/quote]

You don’t really need a crazy bitch but it definitely makes the experiment more fun. Grab a buddy, tell him to wait inside a room with an inward swinging door, wedge the top end of a chair under the door handle on the outside and watch him not be able to get out. Something tells me you’re still not quite getting it. You will after you do this.

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[quote]Beast27195 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
I have to say, the white knights are very funny at the least.

It’s never OK to hit anyone, but sometimes situations will warrant it. There are countless situations where I would deck someone, that doesn’t mean I think it’s a good thing. Then again, when I fly off the handle, I really lose it, so I try to avoid those situations. Last fight I was in I went out of my way to break a guys arm.

Seeing red is not fun.[/quote]

I’m amazed this thread is still going. Mak, Prof. X, Lew, and several others are realists. And I definitely appreciate “real.” I’ve spent almost a decade bouncing at the clubs, as well. I’m currently in a combat zone where these lil fragile women, that most of you “white knights” keep on a pedestal, are side-by-side with us men, trying to stay alive by any means necessary. Same place where some women will pick up a weapon and kill us. Or blow themselves up to kill us.

This is true in the states and elsewhere. Women may be the supposed ‘weaker’ sex, but it doesn’t take a tremendous amount of power to incapacitate a man. I’m not walking away from shit. That involves turning your back, and that is something common damned sense tells me not to do. Just as I’m not going to merely take a hostile woman down on the ground and hold her. Especially if there are more of you “white knights” around. In any physical conflict, it’s them or me. Where you decide to put yourself in that equation is on you.

Whiteflash, I can see your situation, as that was your significant other. I would probably react the same way. But in any other situation, where I don’t know you, and you mean me harm? You’re going to be dealt with swiftly and efficiently. If that involves knocking you into the middle of next month, so be it.

Edgy, keep your emotions out of this debate. As was mentioned already, big difference between abuse and defense. We are discussing defense.

ID, I can understand being hard-wired, however, having been shot by a woman, damn near stabbed, and punched just for being in her vision…I’ve long since taken the kiddie gloves off. [/quote]

I’ve been punched in the face by one other ex [who I also lived with. Maybe there’s a pattern there] but I just left. I will say that I’ve never really felt threatened by a woman so I’ve never felt the need to retaliate physically.

If a woman came at me with a knife or something and the only options were do nothing and get cut or knock her the fuck out and maybe get cut I’m swinging for the fences.

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Slightly off-topic, mentioned by OG about the military jobs…

I still, to this day, do not understand why the hell we have different physical fitness standards for men and women. It doesn’t make any damn sense. If women want to hold the same jobs, and get paid the same wages, shouldn’t the same things be expected of them? In combat, the enemy won’t cut women slack if she is less physically fit than her male counterpart, and on the job the same applies. So why do the job requirements differ?

/rant

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This thread has officially gone off the deep end.

Now it’s just pointless cause OG is arguing a point that isn’t even what the past 7 pages have been about while Prof X keeps referencing the previous discussion points.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

What??? I work in the accounting field and the legal field. ESPECIALLY in the legal field you better have your act together and treat people equally.[/quote]

?? Who cares where you work? You just wrote you are being asked for coffee so obviously this line you just wrote is false.

From experience if you try to run a clinical setting will ALL women like you would run one with a more mixed environment, you will fail. Unless your place of work is ALL women, you don’t know what you are talking about. I was the ONLY guy there. Not one of two or three, the ONLY ONE.

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Why not? Why have you limited it to some strange and random attack? The OP’s question is “Is It Ever Okay to Hit a Woman?”[/quote]

And the logical answer to that is that it depends on the situation. Anyone giving some blanket response is either deluded or living outside reality. If your life is on the line and it depends on you hitting her for your survival, you are a fucking idiot to not hit her.

Period.

I’ll read the rest of the tripe you are posting later.

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What the hell does “being equal” mean?

This implies the assumption that all men (and here I mean the gender) are equal. Guess what, we are not. Nor are all of our experiences the same. We do not have the same access to jobs, opportunities for education, the same skills and abilities, as all other men.

Who are women wanting to be “equal” to and how is this defined?

Let me give an example. Sitting in a fancy NE private college I was listening to the female professor and two female students discuss in class how the night is gendered against women because women are prey to men in the dark. There was all sorts of academic articles supporting this.

So I asked them “How often do you see guys walking alone at night?”
Them “Occasionally”
Me “Okay, how many guys do you see that aren’t big?”
Them “Rarely”
Me “Okay, so you usually see guys in groups at night?”
Them “Yes”
Me “That’s because we know we might get jumped. This is something often learned before high school. Guys move in groups to protect themselves. So explain to me how the night is gendered?”
One female student “Most violence against women is done by men!”
Me “Sure. And the most common victim of male violence is other men.”

Followed by silence.

Professor “We should rethink some of the base assumption of these authors.”

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In sparta voice “This is T-Nation”, making sense there is none here.

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I am going to get a lot of flack for this… but here it goes:

What the fuck is up with African-Americans raising their children, especially their daughters? Seriously it is unbelievable. I was born and raised in Lithuania. I came to the states 10 years ago and I was simply shocked. I know this is part stereotyping here but for god sakes, they have no fucking manners at all. I am all for the “I am a black woman and I am independent” mentality… But they are like god damn animals. They treat other people like complete garbage.

This topic would have never come up in my country… No we don’t abuse our women, but they are raised to respect men (and vice-versa) A woman attacking a man is simply unheard of.

raises flame shield

PS- X, don’t hate me. I live in Chicago and I have a lot of black friends. I am not trying to bunch everyone into a group here as white redneck women are just as worthless.

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My god people. I’ve never encountered a woman who could hit me if she tried. Not trying to be mean ladies, but for the most part women are too weak to hurt men and too slow to actually make contact.

If I was attacked by a woman I wouldn’t hit her. I would however, grab her by her hair and control her ass or bend her arms behind her back.

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[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
My god people. I’ve never encountered a woman who could hit me if she tried. Not trying to be mean ladies, but for the most part women are too weak to hurt men and too slow to actually make contact.

If I was attacked by a woman I wouldn’t hit her. I would however, grab her by her hair and control her ass or bend her arms behind her back.

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Did you watch that vid posted of the woman beating up a man? While she would not beat me up like that, you can bet she would be a fucking hand full and would not go down easily.

Once again, “woman” is not being defined here as “super model who weighs 120lbs soaking wet”.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Slightly off-topic, mentioned by OG about the military jobs…

I still, to this day, do not understand why the hell we have different physical fitness standards for men and women. It doesn’t make any damn sense. If women want to hold the same jobs, and get paid the same wages, shouldn’t the same things be expected of them? In combat, the enemy won’t cut women slack if she is less physically fit than her male counterpart, and on the job the same applies. So why do the job requirements differ?

/rant[/quote]
I never understood this either. The physical standards should be the same across he board depending on the job. Women aren’t allowed to do all the jobs in the military and they SHOULDN’T be.

When I was at SERE school (Survival Evasion Resistance Escape) they teach you how not to get caught and what to do if you are caught. You spend a week in the field along with being in a POW camp where you are slapped around, waterboarded and interrogated.

We had two women in our class and the “captors” (instructors) would make examples of them in order to get the male prisoners to talk. Using the logic that men feel more compassion for females and will talk to stop the beatings.

That example above is one reason why women shouldn’t have job equality when it comes to military.

/rant based off of H4M’s rant

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[quote]Ragana wrote:
I am going to get a lot of flack for this… but here it goes:

What the fuck is up with African-Americans raising their children, especially their daughters? Seriously it is unbelievable. I was born and raised in Lithuania. I came to the states 10 years ago and I was simply shocked. I know this is part stereotyping here but for god sakes, they have no fucking manners at all. I am all for the “I am a black woman and I am independent” mentality… But they are like god damn animals. They treat other people like complete garbage.

This topic would have never come up in my country… No we don’t abuse our women, but they are raised to respect men (and vice-versa) A woman attacking a man is simply unheard of.

raises flame shield

PS- X, don’t hate me. I live in Chicago and I have a lot of black friends. I am not trying to bunch everyone into a group here as white redneck women are just as worthless. [/quote]

I think most feel the same way. Black guys around my way are mostly really cool. Most black girls however, are obnoxious and inconsiderate. Mature black women (usually educated) are great to work with.

I find educated blacks are about the best people to deal with. They’re real, considerate, and strive to be in the know. I think it kinda has to do with them trying to erase the old stereotypes.

Cliff notes: Blacks mostly either way cool, or way obnoxious and inconsiderate. Hardly any in the middle.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread has officially gone off the deep end.

Now it’s just pointless cause OG is arguing a point that isn’t even what the past 7 pages have been about while Prof X keeps referencing the previous discussion points.

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Oh stop.

and I also wanted to say your friend in the Navy is a liar unless of course he went on to explain about the legal ramifications of Assault with a Deadly Weapon and the Dishonorable Discharge he received. There is no way that happened and nothing came out of it.

The civilian populace of a military town knows exactly how to bring up charges both in the civilian sector and the military and there is no way a review board would be okay with your buddy smashing an unarmed woman in the head with a beer can even if he was defending himself.

And who cares if it is SEVEN pages in to it. I can jump in at anytime to address the issue.

Are you going to propose a thread rule that if you were not in at the beginning of the topic you can’t comment?

get over your tantrum.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I’ll read the rest of the tripe you are posting later.[/quote]

and back to the mud slinging. Good comeback.

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[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
What the hell does “being equal” mean?

This implies the assumption that all men (and here I mean the gender) are equal. Guess what, we are not. Nor are all of our experiences the same. We do not have the same access to jobs, opportunities for education, the same skills and abilities, as all other men.

Who are women wanting to be “equal” to and how is this defined?

Let me give an example. Sitting in a fancy NE private college I was listening to the female professor and two female students discuss in class how the night is gendered against women because women are prey to men in the dark. There was all sorts of academic articles supporting this.

So I asked them “How often do you see guys walking alone at night?”
Them “Occasionally”
Me “Okay, how many guys do you see that aren’t big?”
Them “Rarely”
Me “Okay, so you usually see guys in groups at night?”
Them “Yes”
Me “That’s because we know we might get jumped. This is something often learned before high school. Guys move in groups to protect themselves. So explain to me how the night is gendered?”
One female student “Most violence against women is done by men!”
Me “Sure. And the most common victim of male violence is other men.”

Followed by silence.

Professor “We should rethink some of the base assumption of these authors.”

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not a good example. Women are also the most common victim of violence by other men and their damage is more significant and it happens more often, including where they should be safest, in their homes.

man I wish I had been in your class.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Slightly off-topic, mentioned by OG about the military jobs…

I still, to this day, do not understand why the hell we have different physical fitness standards for men and women. It doesn’t make any damn sense. If women want to hold the same jobs, and get paid the same wages, shouldn’t the same things be expected of them? In combat, the enemy won’t cut women slack if she is less physically fit than her male counterpart, and on the job the same applies. So why do the job requirements differ?

/rant[/quote]
I never understood this either. The physical standards should be the same across he board depending on the job. Women aren’t allowed to do all the jobs in the military and they SHOULDN’T be.

When I was at SERE school (Survival Evasion Resistance Escape) they teach you how not to get caught and what to do if you are caught. You spend a week in the field along with being in a POW camp where you are slapped around, waterboarded and interrogated.

We had two women in our class and the “captors” (instructors) would make examples of them in order to get the male prisoners to talk. Using the logic that men feel more compassion for females and will talk to stop the beatings.

That example above is one reason why women shouldn’t have job equality when it comes to military.

/rant based off of H4M’s rant

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So it isn’t just based on strength, it is gender. So there you go, women are not equal.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

So long as everyone is aware, it isn’t equal yet.

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I don’t understand how it is not equal. Explain this to me? Because women don’t make as much? What is it that makes you think it is not equal if not overly advantageous to women?