Is It Ever Okay to Hit a Woman?

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

So in many threads there has been the discussion of men being “pussified” in today’s society. Do any of you think that this may be the reason some women are becoming the aggressors and violent? If so is it that they are becoming dominant, or do you think they are pushing at the guys to get them to step up and take the more dominant role?

I really have no idea. Also, is this a younger generation thing or do you see women in their 30’s and 40’s hitting men also?
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I see this happening (as far as violence in public) in women in their 20’s and 30’s. And yes, I do believe this is because more men are pussies lately and most men don’t have enough going on in their own lives to gain the respect of the female.

Let’s face it, if you live in HER house with no job, chances are, she will not respect you the way she would if it was the guy’s house and he was the bread winner…

But even further than that is just an overall level of disrespect towards men in general that I see lately and this is NOT just a young woman’s problem.

I have worked in all female clinics before and it was hell (many of these women were older than me). The level of gossip and “eye rolling” was to a level where I just left the situation. If I have a choice, I will not work in an environment like that again because a more mixed staff setting seems to be the least “dramatic” and disrespectful.

I have literally had female assistants roll their eyes and sigh loudly when I ask them to get me something…because that means getting up…and they are far too comfortable sitting down for that.

I doubt docs were dealing with that 20 years ago.

Overall, men have allowed a situation in this country where women are gaining power and we are losing it…because no one has figured out the end game of a situation where women get to play both the societal victim and the “strong independent female”.

You can’t have both.[/quote]

I completely agree. Women and men are different, but if women want to be equal with men, then they have to take the good with the bad.
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So you believe that women are equal in all areas?

Your quote “want to be equal” implies that they are not.

Also, in many areas, women aren’t. So do you only mean equal in regards to physical abuse?

Can you clarify what you mean by equal?

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I mean equal as in equal with men in society. As in, there are no gender roles. There are alot of women now that are police officers, firemen, military officers, construction workers, etc. that whether you want to admit it or not were “male occupations”. And the idea that there are no gender roles is pushed in every way. For instance, on tv, there are entire shows about petite women with deadly combat skills that can kill 20+ men that are 200 pounds apiece, with her bare hands.

Fifty years ago, when there were gender roles, I can see where a man should never hit a woman would fit. But today is different, women wanted equality and got it.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

So long as everyone is aware, it isn’t equal yet.

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I don’t understand how it is not equal. Explain this to me? Because women don’t make as much? What is it that makes you think it is not equal if not overly advantageous to women?[/quote]

women are not allowed all jobs, men hold the majority of high paying jobs, women are discriminated against in the work field due to fertility bias.

I am sure someone is going to say men have more drive so they have the higher positions, but women also lose work experience and opportunity due to pregnancy. It is the way it is.

Not saying good or bad or even anything that can be fixed, it isn’t and will not ever be completely equal.

Thanks for asking and not assuming, I do appreciate that. I am not a raging feminazi.

I just get a little irked when men throw out the “women want to be equal… blah blah blah…” when they are not seeing the whole picture.

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OP - clip

I will start a new thread so I won’t hijack anymore.

I had started with just positing the question regarding the pussification of men and if this were the cause of the new violence.

And gregron, just because some of you have only made this thread about random crazy women attacks doesn’t mean you can’t discuss all types of violence against women.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread has officially gone off the deep end.

Now it’s just pointless cause OG is arguing a point that isn’t even what the past 7 pages have been about while Prof X keeps referencing the previous discussion points.

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Oh stop.

and I also wanted to say your friend in the Navy is a liar unless of course he went on to explain about the legal ramifications of Assault with a Deadly Weapon and the Dishonorable Discharge he received. There is no way that happened and nothing came out of it.

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Who ever said the cops were called? You really dont know what you’re talking about and are just spouting off nonsense now.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Slightly off-topic, mentioned by OG about the military jobs…

I still, to this day, do not understand why the hell we have different physical fitness standards for men and women. It doesn’t make any damn sense. If women want to hold the same jobs, and get paid the same wages, shouldn’t the same things be expected of them? In combat, the enemy won’t cut women slack if she is less physically fit than her male counterpart, and on the job the same applies. So why do the job requirements differ?

/rant[/quote]

I was going to bring up the same thing. I took a test to be a Detroit cop and there were differing standars. For instance a male had to be able to do about 30 pushups I believe, bot a female only had to do 7 or a male had to run a mile in 6 min, but a female was given 8. I thought to myself, if a female wants the same job as i do, with the same pay and benefits, why should i have to be able to do 30 pushups, why cant I just do 7, or why cant she do 30.

Equality is not equality with double standards.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

And gregron, just because some of you have only made this thread about random crazy women attacks doesn’t mean you can’t discuss all types of violence against women.

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I understand that but I don’t think you should be coming in this thread and calling people out based on your scenarios of domestic violence against non abusive women when the entire thread has been about a woman attacking you physically and asking if you would hit her or not

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread has officially gone off the deep end.

Now it’s just pointless cause OG is arguing a point that isn’t even what the past 7 pages have been about while Prof X keeps referencing the previous discussion points.

[/quote]

Oh stop.

and I also wanted to say your friend in the Navy is a liar unless of course he went on to explain about the legal ramifications of Assault with a Deadly Weapon and the Dishonorable Discharge he received. There is no way that happened and nothing came out of it.

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Who ever said the cops were called? You really dont know what you’re talking about and are just spouting off nonsense now.
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I don’t believe this person would have beat a woman in on the head with a beer can and beat up a man at the party and no cops were called either at that time or the next day.

something missing in that story

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[quote]clip11 wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Slightly off-topic, mentioned by OG about the military jobs…

I still, to this day, do not understand why the hell we have different physical fitness standards for men and women. It doesn’t make any damn sense. If women want to hold the same jobs, and get paid the same wages, shouldn’t the same things be expected of them? In combat, the enemy won’t cut women slack if she is less physically fit than her male counterpart, and on the job the same applies. So why do the job requirements differ?

/rant[/quote]

I was going to bring up the same thing. I took a test to be a Detroit cop and there were differing standars. For instance a male had to be able to do about 30 pushups I believe, bot a female only had to do 7 or a male had to run a mile in 6 min, but a female was given 8. I thought to myself, if a female wants the same job as i do, with the same pay and benefits, why should i have to be able to do 30 pushups, why cant I just do 7, or why cant she do 30.

Equality is not equality with double standards.[/quote]

In the AirForce, the fattest people stuffing themselves into uniforms were the women. There were fat guys too, but the women were often on the “soft” side. The standards for the PT test are also different.

Once again, in a world of true “equality” none of that shit would exist.

If my life is on the line and I need to be carried out of the line of fire, I want the biggest weight lifting mutherfucker there to get my back. The sex isn’t the issue.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

And gregron, just because some of you have only made this thread about random crazy women attacks doesn’t mean you can’t discuss all types of violence against women.

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I understand that but I don’t think you should be coming in this thread and calling people out based on your scenarios of domestic violence against non abusive women when the entire thread has been about a woman attacking you physically and asking if you would hit her or not[/quote]

why not?

where did I break your thread topic rules?

why do you assume only women perpetrate random violence against men? Did you see that clip of that guy clocking a woman in the head from behind and that MMA guy took him out because of it?

I did see a lot of guys on here posting reasons why that huge guy would have hit a woman from behind in a surprise attack.

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2010/8/4/roger-huerta-street-fight-1894739

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread has officially gone off the deep end.

Now it’s just pointless cause OG is arguing a point that isn’t even what the past 7 pages have been about while Prof X keeps referencing the previous discussion points.

[/quote]

Oh stop.

and I also wanted to say your friend in the Navy is a liar unless of course he went on to explain about the legal ramifications of Assault with a Deadly Weapon and the Dishonorable Discharge he received. There is no way that happened and nothing came out of it.

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Who ever said the cops were called? You really dont know what you’re talking about and are just spouting off nonsense now.
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I don’t believe this person would have beat a woman in on the head with a beer can and beat up a man at the party and no cops were called either at that time or the next day.

something missing in that story
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Have you ever been to a party where a fight broke out? I’ve seen and/or been involved with literally a couple dozen and I’ve only seen the cops called maybe a handful of times. He’s not talking about people going at it in a public establishment.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]clip11 wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Slightly off-topic, mentioned by OG about the military jobs…

I still, to this day, do not understand why the hell we have different physical fitness standards for men and women. It doesn’t make any damn sense. If women want to hold the same jobs, and get paid the same wages, shouldn’t the same things be expected of them? In combat, the enemy won’t cut women slack if she is less physically fit than her male counterpart, and on the job the same applies. So why do the job requirements differ?

/rant[/quote]

I was going to bring up the same thing. I took a test to be a Detroit cop and there were differing standars. For instance a male had to be able to do about 30 pushups I believe, bot a female only had to do 7 or a male had to run a mile in 6 min, but a female was given 8. I thought to myself, if a female wants the same job as i do, with the same pay and benefits, why should i have to be able to do 30 pushups, why cant I just do 7, or why cant she do 30.

Equality is not equality with double standards.[/quote]

In the AirForce, the fattest people stuffing themselves into uniforms were the women. There were fat guys too, but the women were often on the “soft” side. The standards for the PT test are also different.

Once again, in a world of true “equality” none of that shit would exist.

If my life is on the line and I need to be carried out of the line of fire, I want the biggest weight lifting mutherfucker there to get my back. The sex isn’t the issue.[/quote]

I agree with this. Equality mean taking gender out of the picture. Whoever can physically do the job or fulfill the requirements is the only candidate that should get the job.

I agree with you.

Since you and Hungry4More are in the military, what about women in combat? Do you think it would be too much of a mental mind fuck to have them shot or blown up in front of you? (this is off topic again, sorry)

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread has officially gone off the deep end.

Now it’s just pointless cause OG is arguing a point that isn’t even what the past 7 pages have been about while Prof X keeps referencing the previous discussion points.

[/quote]

Oh stop.

and I also wanted to say your friend in the Navy is a liar unless of course he went on to explain about the legal ramifications of Assault with a Deadly Weapon and the Dishonorable Discharge he received. There is no way that happened and nothing came out of it.

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Who ever said the cops were called? You really dont know what you’re talking about and are just spouting off nonsense now.
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I don’t believe this person would have beat a woman in on the head with a beer can and beat up a man at the party and no cops were called either at that time or the next day.

something missing in that story
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Don’t believe it then. I don’t care.

Maybe the part about her repeatedly hitting him first (which is asault) and te fact that the boyfriend also attacked my friend (assault again) made them just take their licks and not call the cops.

“yes officer I’m the one who called. Ok so last night I attaked this guy and hit him in the face a bunch of times. He told me to stop or he’d hit me back but I kept hitting him cause I was really drunk and didn’t believe him. Then he hit me back. After that my boyfriend attacked him and tried to beat him up but he kicked my boyfriends ass. Can you please go arrest him now officer?”

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^ Other countries have women in combat. I really think we are speaking about the culture in America.

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[quote]Ragana wrote:
I am going to get a lot of flack for this… but here it goes:

What the fuck is up with African-Americans raising their children, especially their daughters? Seriously it is unbelievable. I was born and raised in Lithuania. I came to the states 10 years ago and I was simply shocked. I know this is part stereotyping here but for god sakes, they have no fucking manners at all. I am all for the “I am a black woman and I am independent” mentality… But they are like god damn animals. They treat other people like complete garbage.

This topic would have never come up in my country… No we don’t abuse our women, but they are raised to respect men (and vice-versa) A woman attacking a man is simply unheard of.

raises flame shield

PS- X, don’t hate me. I live in Chicago and I have a lot of black friends. I am not trying to bunch everyone into a group here as white redneck women are just as worthless. [/quote]

As a black man born and raised in Detroit, which is a 86% black city I take no offense and understand completely what you mean.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread has officially gone off the deep end.

Now it’s just pointless cause OG is arguing a point that isn’t even what the past 7 pages have been about while Prof X keeps referencing the previous discussion points.

[/quote]

Oh stop.

and I also wanted to say your friend in the Navy is a liar unless of course he went on to explain about the legal ramifications of Assault with a Deadly Weapon and the Dishonorable Discharge he received. There is no way that happened and nothing came out of it.

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Who ever said the cops were called? You really dont know what you’re talking about and are just spouting off nonsense now.
[/quote]

I don’t believe this person would have beat a woman in on the head with a beer can and beat up a man at the party and no cops were called either at that time or the next day.

something missing in that story
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Don’t believe it then. I don’t care.

Maybe the part about her repeatedly hitting him first (which is asault) and te fact that the boyfriend also attacked my friend (assault again) made them just take their licks and not call the cops.

“yes officer I’m the one who called. Ok so last night I attaked this guy and hit him in the face a bunch of times. He told me to stop or he’d hit me back but I kept hitting him cause I was really drunk and didn’t believe him. Then he hit me back. After that my boyfriend attacked him and tried to beat him up but he kicked my boyfriends ass. Can you please go arrest him now officer?”[/quote]

They would have called. The boyfriend would have been in “defense of oneself or others” once he saw your buddy take a beer can (a weapon) and hit a woman in the head and drop her.

Yah, they would have called, that night or the next. Not a complete telling of the story or not the truth.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread has officially gone off the deep end.

Now it’s just pointless cause OG is arguing a point that isn’t even what the past 7 pages have been about while Prof X keeps referencing the previous discussion points.

[/quote]

Oh stop.

and I also wanted to say your friend in the Navy is a liar unless of course he went on to explain about the legal ramifications of Assault with a Deadly Weapon and the Dishonorable Discharge he received. There is no way that happened and nothing came out of it.

[/quote]

Who ever said the cops were called? You really dont know what you’re talking about and are just spouting off nonsense now.
[/quote]

I don’t believe this person would have beat a woman in on the head with a beer can and beat up a man at the party and no cops were called either at that time or the next day.

something missing in that story
[/quote]
Don’t believe it then. I don’t care.

Maybe the part about her repeatedly hitting him first (which is asault) and te fact that the boyfriend also attacked my friend (assault again) made them just take their licks and not call the cops.

“yes officer I’m the one who called. Ok so last night I attaked this guy and hit him in the face a bunch of times. He told me to stop or he’d hit me back but I kept hitting him cause I was really drunk and didn’t believe him. Then he hit me back. After that my boyfriend attacked him and tried to beat him up but he kicked my boyfriends ass. Can you please go arrest him now officer?”[/quote]

They would have called. The boyfriend would have been in “defense of oneself or others” once he saw your buddy take a beer can (a weapon) and hit a woman in the head and drop her.

Yah, they would have called, that night or the next. Not a complete telling of the story or not the truth.

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OG, you’re not an idiot but you really don’t seem to understand how things work sometimes. Shit like this happens ALL OF THE TIME and seldom goes reported. Read my post above.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread has officially gone off the deep end.

Now it’s just pointless cause OG is arguing a point that isn’t even what the past 7 pages have been about while Prof X keeps referencing the previous discussion points.

[/quote]

Oh stop.

and I also wanted to say your friend in the Navy is a liar unless of course he went on to explain about the legal ramifications of Assault with a Deadly Weapon and the Dishonorable Discharge he received. There is no way that happened and nothing came out of it.

[/quote]

Who ever said the cops were called? You really dont know what you’re talking about and are just spouting off nonsense now.
[/quote]

I don’t believe this person would have beat a woman in on the head with a beer can and beat up a man at the party and no cops were called either at that time or the next day.

something missing in that story
[/quote]
Don’t believe it then. I don’t care.

Maybe the part about her repeatedly hitting him first (which is asault) and te fact that the boyfriend also attacked my friend (assault again) made them just take their licks and not call the cops.

“yes officer I’m the one who called. Ok so last night I attaked this guy and hit him in the face a bunch of times. He told me to stop or he’d hit me back but I kept hitting him cause I was really drunk and didn’t believe him. Then he hit me back. After that my boyfriend attacked him and tried to beat him up but he kicked my boyfriends ass. Can you please go arrest him now officer?”[/quote]

They would have called. The boyfriend would have been in “defense of oneself or others” once he saw your buddy take a beer can (a weapon) and hit a woman in the head and drop her.

Yah, they would have called, that night or the next. Not a complete telling of the story or not the truth.

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Yeah they would have fore sure called… Because everyone in the world would react to that situation the same way you would. Got it

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
This thread has officially gone off the deep end.

Now it’s just pointless cause OG is arguing a point that isn’t even what the past 7 pages have been about while Prof X keeps referencing the previous discussion points.

[/quote]

Oh stop.

and I also wanted to say your friend in the Navy is a liar unless of course he went on to explain about the legal ramifications of Assault with a Deadly Weapon and the Dishonorable Discharge he received. There is no way that happened and nothing came out of it.

[/quote]

Who ever said the cops were called? You really dont know what you’re talking about and are just spouting off nonsense now.
[/quote]

I don’t believe this person would have beat a woman in on the head with a beer can and beat up a man at the party and no cops were called either at that time or the next day.

something missing in that story
[/quote]
Don’t believe it then. I don’t care.

Maybe the part about her repeatedly hitting him first (which is asault) and te fact that the boyfriend also attacked my friend (assault again) made them just take their licks and not call the cops.

“yes officer I’m the one who called. Ok so last night I attaked this guy and hit him in the face a bunch of times. He told me to stop or he’d hit me back but I kept hitting him cause I was really drunk and didn’t believe him. Then he hit me back. After that my boyfriend attacked him and tried to beat him up but he kicked my boyfriends ass. Can you please go arrest him now officer?”[/quote]

They would have called. The boyfriend would have been in “defense of oneself or others” once he saw your buddy take a beer can (a weapon) and hit a woman in the head and drop her.

Yah, they would have called, that night or the next. Not a complete telling of the story or not the truth.

[/quote]

Yeah they would have fore sure called… Because everyone in the world would react to that situation the same way you would. Got it[/quote]

whew, thought for sure you weren’t getting my point. Glad to see you have it now.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:
^ Other countries have women in combat. I really think we are speaking about the culture in America. [/quote]

I don’t have a problem with women in combat. I don’t walk around thinking of women as victims that need constant protection.

If things are truly equal, they need to also be in the shape and condition to do it as well.

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What in the heck does violence against women and how they are treated in the workplace have to do with whether or not it is OK to ever hit a woman? Octobergirl, you need to go start your own thread. People please stop feeding a baseless argument. This is the same shit the media does to keep people from focusing on the issue at hand.

Edit: Never mind. I see you already did. Thank you.