[quote]Scott M wrote:
A powerlifting in a training session might train his bench press, assistance work for his lockout and bottom end strength/stability.
A bodybuilding might have a chest shoulders triceps back day.
What’s the difference?
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There isn’t a difference. But its not the training that makes the athlete, its the competition. If I go to the gym and take a spinning class 3 times a week, and train hard, does that make me a competative cyclist? Or if I do an off-season training plan that a football team is using, and bust my butt over the summer, am i suddenly a football player.
The reason you might consider PL’ing a sport and not BB’ing, is the difference in competition. It takes very little skill to walk up on a stage and look good. Hard work for sure, but you dont have to practice for 10+ years to learn how to pose.
Having said that, PL’ing isn’t much more athletic than BB’ing. Sure you have to be strong as hell, but strength is only one aspect of athleticism. O-lifting would be one step up on the athleticism scale, but after that would be the sports that most consider “sports”. Something that involves strength, agility, strategy, technique, etc…
But this has nothing to do with the topic of this post. Just because something is or isn’t a sport, that doesn’t mean its easy. If BB’ing was easy, then there would be no need for this site, and there would be a lot more Arnolds walking around.
The reason you might consider PL’ing a sport and not BB’ing, is the difference in competition. It takes very little skill to walk up on a stage and look good. Hard work for sure, but you dont have to practice for 10+ years to learn how to pose.[/quote]
No, you have to train hard for 10+ years so there is actually something there for you to pose.
[quote]Freaky Styley wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Freaky Styley wrote:
I don’t think it’s a sport. I don’t think anything where the winner is determined by judges is a sport. That said, it certainly isn’t easy.
LOL. There goes Olympic gymnastics and every other sport where judges determine the winner.
Some of you need to quit the bullshit. It is like it hurts some of you to accept bodybuilding as a sport. The fact that it takes literally several years of hard work before you could even do well on stage at a qualifying show, to say it doesn’t involve anything athletic is retarded.
I don’t consider gymnastics a sport either. Athletic as hell? Certainly.
And I never said bodybuilding didn’t involve anything athletic. Way to put words in my mouth.
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In general, if it is in the Olympics, while you personally can hold whatever opinion you please, the rest of the world generally considers it a sport. I would go with “the rest of the world” before I went with “guy on the internet”.
[quote]Freaky Styley wrote:
I don’t think it’s a sport. I don’t think anything where the winner is determined by judges is a sport. That said, it certainly isn’t easy.[/quote]
So boxing’s not a sport, huh?
And not that I consider BB’ing a sport, because I don’t (not like the title really means anything), but don’t make blanket statements like this. Makes you seem foolish.
The problem with not calling hobbyists or whatever true bodybuilders is that bodybuilding does not have exact rules,it’s just about growing muscle. You don’t join a club like you would in a sport,especially team sport. You just go to the gym or lift at home. Just because most people don’t join the tiny elite does not mean that they are not for real anymore than the fact that most soccer players do not make the national team or the World Cup.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Freaky Styley wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Freaky Styley wrote:
I don’t think it’s a sport. I don’t think anything where the winner is determined by judges is a sport. That said, it certainly isn’t easy.
LOL. There goes Olympic gymnastics and every other sport where judges determine the winner.
Some of you need to quit the bullshit. It is like it hurts some of you to accept bodybuilding as a sport. The fact that it takes literally several years of hard work before you could even do well on stage at a qualifying show, to say it doesn’t involve anything athletic is retarded.
I don’t consider gymnastics a sport either. Athletic as hell? Certainly.
And I never said bodybuilding didn’t involve anything athletic. Way to put words in my mouth.
In general, if it is in the Olympics, while you personally can hold whatever opinion you please, the rest of the world generally considers it a sport. I would go with “the rest of the world” before I went with “guy on the internet”.[/quote]
I don’t recall saying anyone had to use my definition, so if you’d like to consider rhythmic gymnastics and table tennis to be sports, you certainly can.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
So boxing’s not a sport, huh?
And not that I consider BB’ing a sport, because I don’t (not like the title really means anything), but don’t make blanket statements like this. Makes you seem foolish.
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Boxing’s different as there is direct competition against an opponent as well as a judging system.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
The problem with not calling hobbyists or whatever true bodybuilders is that bodybuilding does not have exact rules,it’s just about growing muscle. You don’t join a club like you would in a sport,especially team sport. You just go to the gym or lift at home. Just because most people don’t join the tiny elite does not mean that they are not for real anymore than the fact that most soccer players do not make the national team or the World Cup. [/quote]
Holy crap.
Bodybuilding is about building big muscles. If no one can tell you lift by looking at you, you have FAILED at this portion of bodybuilding. Calling yourself one in spite of massive failure is ridiculous.
However, the guy who has made significant progress and who everyone can plainly see must make lifting a major priority, has EARNED the freaking title.
If you aren’t good at something, why would someone label you as if you were?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Alffi wrote:
The problem with not calling hobbyists or whatever true bodybuilders is that bodybuilding does not have exact rules,it’s just about growing muscle. You don’t join a club like you would in a sport,especially team sport. You just go to the gym or lift at home. Just because most people don’t join the tiny elite does not mean that they are not for real anymore than the fact that most soccer players do not make the national team or the World Cup.
Holy crap.
Bodybuilding is about building big muscles. If no one can tell you lift by looking at you, you have FAILED at this portion of bodybuilding. Calling yourself one in spite of massive failure is ridiculous.
However, the guy who has made significant progress and who everyone can plainly see must make lifting a major priority, has EARNED the freaking title.
If you aren’t good at something, why would someone label you as if you were?[/quote]
Well, there’s plenty of shitty boxers and soccer players and shit.
But because bodybuilding is so based on looks, you’re right- if you call yourself a bodybuilder and weight in at 150 lbs… haha, well, I’m sure everyone knows someone like that, and it’s just ridiculous.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Alffi wrote:
The problem with not calling hobbyists or whatever true bodybuilders is that bodybuilding does not have exact rules,it’s just about growing muscle. You don’t join a club like you would in a sport,especially team sport. You just go to the gym or lift at home. Just because most people don’t join the tiny elite does not mean that they are not for real anymore than the fact that most soccer players do not make the national team or the World Cup.
Holy crap.
Bodybuilding is about building big muscles. If no one can tell you lift by looking at you, you have FAILED at this portion of bodybuilding. Calling yourself one in spite of massive failure is ridiculous.
However, the guy who has made significant progress and who everyone can plainly see must make lifting a major priority, has EARNED the freaking title.
If you aren’t good at something, why would someone label you as if you were?[/quote]As compelling it can be for someone,especially a high achiever,to think that way,I think the limit for getting called a bodybuilder is even lower than in sports,or lot of them. If you play a sport and are not too good,you may not get to join any team at all,but nobody can prevent one from hitting the weights for a certain purpose.Then if one limits true BB to competitions,it shrinks to near near disappearance. Just like there are good and bad electricians and physicians,so there are good and not so good athletes and BB’s.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Alffi wrote:
The problem with not calling hobbyists or whatever true bodybuilders is that bodybuilding does not have exact rules,it’s just about growing muscle. You don’t join a club like you would in a sport,especially team sport. You just go to the gym or lift at home. Just because most people don’t join the tiny elite does not mean that they are not for real anymore than the fact that most soccer players do not make the national team or the World Cup.
Holy crap.
Bodybuilding is about building big muscles. If no one can tell you lift by looking at you, you have FAILED at this portion of bodybuilding. Calling yourself one in spite of massive failure is ridiculous.
However, the guy who has made significant progress and who everyone can plainly see must make lifting a major priority, has EARNED the freaking title.
If you aren’t good at something, why would someone label you as if you were?
Well, there’s plenty of shitty boxers and soccer players and shit.
But because bodybuilding is so based on looks, you’re right- if you call yourself a bodybuilder and weight in at 150 lbs… haha, well, I’m sure everyone knows someone like that, and it’s just ridiculous.[/quote]
I think they have height classes for BB in the World Games. And what if someone is really small framed by nature yet reaches good definition? That’s supposed to be part of it.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Alffi wrote:
The problem with not calling hobbyists or whatever true bodybuilders is that bodybuilding does not have exact rules,it’s just about growing muscle. You don’t join a club like you would in a sport,especially team sport. You just go to the gym or lift at home. Just because most people don’t join the tiny elite does not mean that they are not for real anymore than the fact that most soccer players do not make the national team or the World Cup.
Holy crap.
Bodybuilding is about building big muscles. If no one can tell you lift by looking at you, you have FAILED at this portion of bodybuilding. Calling yourself one in spite of massive failure is ridiculous.
However, the guy who has made significant progress and who everyone can plainly see must make lifting a major priority, has EARNED the freaking title.
If you aren’t good at something, why would someone label you as if you were?
Well, there’s plenty of shitty boxers and soccer players and shit.
But because bodybuilding is so based on looks, you’re right- if you call yourself a bodybuilder and weight in at 150 lbs… haha, well, I’m sure everyone knows someone like that, and it’s just ridiculous.I think they have height classes for BB in the World Games. And what if someone is really small framed by nature yet reaches good definition? That’s supposed to be part of it.
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Fine. You’ll look great if you’re not over 4 feet tall. Happy?
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Professor X wrote:
If you aren’t good at something, why would someone label you as if you were?
As compelling it can be for someone,especially a high achiever,to think that way,I think the limit for getting called a bodybuilder is even lower than in sports,or lot of them. If you play a sport and are not too good,you may not get to join any team at all,but nobody can prevent one from hitting the weights for a certain purpose.Then if one limits true BB to competitions,it shrinks to near near disappearance. Just like there are good and bad electricians and physicians,so there are good and not so good athletes and BB’s.
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There are lots of ‘sunday league’ and casual players of various sports who have ‘made the team’ but wouldnt credibly get away with saying “I’m a baseball player” or whatever.
Likewise someone doing BB exercise but looking average cant really claim to be a BBer, at least not credibly, though he can say “I’m doing BB exercises” and have earnest intent to be a BBer later. See the distinction?
IMO BB is just as difficult as any other sport. Pro bodybuilders spend as much if not more time working towards their goals as other athletes do. IMO bodybuilding isn’t a sport, it’s more of an art. I don’t like it, I just wouldn’t call it a sport per se. However, just because I don’t like it doesn’t mean I don’t respect the people who spend so much time doing it.
“and to psychologically push himself to new heights with maximum weights”
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that is what separates those who get real noticable results from those who spin their wheels for years while poking fun at those succeeding “stupid meatheads, i could be like that if i spent all day in the gym”
Alright, I stopped reading this thread because I realized the troll/OP/douchebag is a total tool and just looking to rile people up. For some reason I came back to this thread, and that same fact has not changed. I don’t even see why people are trying to debate him, he’s not even presenting any logical reason or fact for anything.
About posing on stage, and how easy it is.
Try contracting every single muscle group, while dehidrated, and holding that contraction for a minute.
Now, imagine your overheated body (from dehidration and intense muscle contractions) covered with tan which is a great heat isolator. Cramps, headaches and joint pain aside, try having a normal face - without sick grimaces, while doing it.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Some people consider BB a sport,others don’t. The inclusion of BB in the World Games supports the sport status of BB. Now if we accept that it is one,perhaps it helps us to compare it to sports which hold unchallenged status as ‘real’ sports,which is pretty much all of them.
I think the hardest part of BB is staying lean while getting larger,which requires diet attention. The training itself is inherently easier than in a strength sport. BB reminds me of that time as a child when “exercise is good” and just fooling around and having fun and getting a little gassed is considered productive activity,that’s what they thought at school and that was enough.
A BB’er can be happy with getting sore and lactic in the right places. He does not need to care about strength,speed,mobility,technique etc. and to psychologically push himself to new heights with maximum weights. He can employ methods that retard strength development,like lifting fatigued and slowing down a small weight to get that time under tension and the pump.Even partial ROM may be excused. He can switch exercises on and off, if strength in one goes down it’s allright,as long as the target muscles are torn. Just pump out a moderate weight for a while. That’s pretty fun and not stressful at all.
This is not meant to belittle bodybuilding,which I think is cool. Just present the argument for why it seems to me as if it is easier. I’ve seen some BB’s state that they think that it is the hardest sport in the world. Answer what you will.[/quote]
Bodybuilding training is FAR more technically complicated than strength training.
Strength athletes need to excel in 2-4 lifts. Bodybuilders require perfect execution of at least two dozen. There is no comparison.
[quote]Freaky Styley wrote:
I don’t think it’s a sport. I don’t think anything where the winner is determined by judges is a sport. That said, it certainly isn’t easy.[/quote]
Gymnastics, boxing, Figure skating… come on. Is BB an unconventional sport? Yeah. But the same dedication and training goes into the final performance.
[quote]dankid wrote:
The only reason I wouldn’t consider it a sport, is because there isn’t a performance or skill aspect of it.
Its more like art. Maybe painting or sculpting. Takes a lot of time, patience and hard work.[/quote]
You obviously haven’t thought out, ‘choreographed’, practiced and memorised a posing routine then…
Obviously some of the big guys just walk about flexing MM or FDB, but some are nothing short of athletic, dexter, zane was graceful to watch, greene dances etc…
[quote]Freaky Styley wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Freaky Styley wrote:
I don’t think it’s a sport. I don’t think anything where the winner is determined by judges is a sport. That said, it certainly isn’t easy.
LOL. There goes Olympic gymnastics and every other sport where judges determine the winner.
Some of you need to quit the bullshit. It is like it hurts some of you to accept bodybuilding as a sport. The fact that it takes literally several years of hard work before you could even do well on stage at a qualifying show, to say it doesn’t involve anything athletic is retarded.
I don’t consider gymnastics a sport either. Athletic as hell? Certainly.
And I never said bodybuilding didn’t involve anything athletic. Way to put words in my mouth.
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You are simply retarded then. Buy a dictionary… you cant go around saying “i dont believe this” or “in my mind i consider this to be true” when the opposite is actually common knowledge.
That is very strange indeed - not to mention the most childish way of arguing a point.
Well done. denial of all knowledge. like it… maybe you should go frequent another forum then?