A powerlifting in a training session might train his bench press, assistance work for his lockout and bottom end strength/stability.
A bodybuilding might have a chest shoulders triceps back day.
What’s the difference?
[quote]Alffi wrote:
One more thing of interest is the training splits. Someone like an oly lifter engages just about every major muscle group in a lift. In p-lifting, the squat and the deadlift stress a lot of the same muscle groups,which also discourages training splits. When splitting muscle groups is discouraged due to the difficulty of isolation without giving up the competition lifts, the burden is increased as the phenomenon encourages total body workouts,which translates to more exhausting training.
The bodybuilder,with his wide arsenal of machine assisted isolation movements,is privileged.[/quote]
If you think bodybuilding is all about isolation exercises you are as clueless as you sound.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
A powerlifting in a training session might train his bench press, assistance work for his lockout and bottom end strength/stability.
A bodybuilding might have a chest shoulders triceps back day.
What’s the difference?
[/quote]
I realize you know this, but I’m going to say it anyway to make another point.
PL = rep ranges in the 3-5 range.
PL = longer rest periods between sets.
PL = using as many mechanical advantages as you can get away with.
BB = rep ranges in the 8-15 range
BB = shorter rest periods.
BB = focusing on making the muscles do the work.
I have done both sytles of training and personally to me the bodybuilding workouts are much tougher. The pain you have to work though last much longer and is overall much more tiring unless you are just half assing it.
The only reason I wouldn’t consider it a sport, is because there isn’t a performance or skill aspect of it.
Its more like art. Maybe painting or sculpting. Takes a lot of time, patience and hard work.
[quote]jstreet0204 wrote:
Scott M wrote:
A powerlifting in a training session might train his bench press, assistance work for his lockout and bottom end strength/stability.
A bodybuilding might have a chest shoulders triceps back day.
What’s the difference?
I realize you know this, but I’m going to say it anyway to make another point.
PL = rep ranges in the 3-5 range.
PL = longer rest periods between sets.
PL = using as many mechanical advantages as you can get away with.
BB = rep ranges in the 8-15 range
BB = shorter rest periods.
BB = focusing on making the muscles do the work.
I have done both sytles of training and personally to me the bodybuilding workouts are much tougher. The pain you have to work though last much longer and is overall much more tiring unless you are just half assing it.
[/quote]
True I know how most powerlifters train, he was simply stating the case that a powerlifters training style is more intense than a bodybuilder beucase of the split itself. I wanted to simply point out that they mght be working the same exact muscles in a session, it’s just called different things.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
A powerlifting in a training session might train his bench press, assistance work for his lockout and bottom end strength/stability.
A bodybuilding might have a chest shoulders triceps back day.
What’s the difference?
[/quote]
I’m not sure if you meant that a bodybuilder would train the chest,shoulders,triceps and back each on different days or the same one. A powerlifter could not do the competition press without engaging shoulders,triceps and chest at the same time. And the press is not even as bad as the squat and dead in this regard.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
jstreet0204 wrote:
Scott M wrote:
A powerlifting in a training session might train his bench press, assistance work for his lockout and bottom end strength/stability.
A bodybuilding might have a chest shoulders triceps back day.
What’s the difference?
I realize you know this, but I’m going to say it anyway to make another point.
PL = rep ranges in the 3-5 range.
PL = longer rest periods between sets.
PL = using as many mechanical advantages as you can get away with.
BB = rep ranges in the 8-15 range
BB = shorter rest periods.
BB = focusing on making the muscles do the work.
I have done both sytles of training and personally to me the bodybuilding workouts are much tougher. The pain you have to work though last much longer and is overall much more tiring unless you are just half assing it.
True I know how most powerlifters train, he was simply stating the case that a powerlifters training style is more intense than a bodybuilder beucase of the split itself. I wanted to simply point out that they mght be working the same exact muscles in a session, it’s just called different things. [/quote]
To the OP your clueless and as 1000ripped… stated earlier your basing your opinions by what most bodybuilding hobbiest, not athletes do.
Elite Bodybuilders as with any sport have to do above average things to get their body so freakishly huge. They also have to do freakishly athletic things to perform the poses and show their body in the largest most ripped fashion for an instant to make themselves look better then the next guy that looks nearly identical.
I can find a number of pro-bodybuilders who have done 3-5 rep range sets for exercises at some time, as well as powerlifters who have done high rep sets. The difference is in timing and frequency of when they are done. Not intensity.
Where a bodybuilder might need to go on a short phase of super heavy for 2 weeks out of a few years just to elicit a growth response, a powerlifter might have to do the reverse for repair or other reasons. Either way, that last rep of a set is done with 100% intensity by both athletes.
Recovery is something every sport has to deal with, why do you think sports have offseasons, and all star breaks.
Pretty much all you have proven is that your an amatuer if not less. If you really want to find out if it’s a sport or not I suggest you attempt to be an elite level bodybuilder and enter a competition. Then come back and report to us how little of a sport it is.
[quote]GuerillaZen wrote:
mmllcc wrote:
It was easy for God. He made Adam and Even in a single day.
But I’ve never seen a picture of Adam where he looked jacked.[/quote]
Not too bad here. I wonder what his score would be on RMP.
[quote]NealRaymond2 wrote:
ab_power wrote:
It is hard.
< … reasons why it’s hard … >
Alffi wrote:
This is the first entirely novel argument I’ve witnessed.
Probably, most people consider it too obvious to go to the trouble to spell out in detail what makes it hard.
If one were to ask “is the sky purple?” should one expect people to respond with an analysis of the light wavelengths reflecting off the sky to demonstrate that it is blue?
[/quote]
Are you guys saying it’s novel in a good way? I mean, he asked if bodybuilding was easy. It’s not, and thats the reason why you don’t see a million thibeadeau’s, prisoner_22’s, moody’s, or professor X’s walking around in the world.
The funny part is, a lot of people are lifting weights. Go to one of those Planet Club Globogym Fitness 24/7 centers on any day of the week around 7pm. You will see hundreds, if not thousands of different people there on different days.
If you look closely, there will be only a select few that would resemble an amateur, let alone professional, bodybuilder. To get to that level, MOST people will have to sacrifice a decade of solid training and diet, which almost never happens with a lot of people.
[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
If you do it right its difficult. The average guy who considers himself a bodybuilder is in a full time ‘bulking phase’ eating junk food all the time in the name of bulking, has a gut sticking over his pants and just lifts all the time.
Usually neglecting any of the the stuff that really builds you up like squats and deadlifts because, deep down, it is too difficult and spends most training time doing bench presses, curls, some type of tricep exercise and the occasional row or pulldown.[/quote]
Who are these guys? Where do you see them? There are plenty of slobs in my gym that do not consider themselves bodybuilders.
I don’t consider myself a bodybuilder and I train harder and eat better than your example.
The only bodybuilders I know in real life are a hell of a lot stronger than I am and very disciplined in training and diet.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Scott M wrote:
jstreet0204 wrote:
Scott M wrote:
A powerlifting in a training session might train his bench press, assistance work for his lockout and bottom end strength/stability.
A bodybuilding might have a chest shoulders triceps back day.
What’s the difference?
I realize you know this, but I’m going to say it anyway to make another point.
PL = rep ranges in the 3-5 range.
PL = longer rest periods between sets.
PL = using as many mechanical advantages as you can get away with.
BB = rep ranges in the 8-15 range
BB = shorter rest periods.
BB = focusing on making the muscles do the work.
I have done both sytles of training and personally to me the bodybuilding workouts are much tougher. The pain you have to work though last much longer and is overall much more tiring unless you are just half assing it.
True I know how most powerlifters train, he was simply stating the case that a powerlifters training style is more intense than a bodybuilder beucase of the split itself. I wanted to simply point out that they mght be working the same exact muscles in a session, it’s just called different things.
To the OP your clueless and as 1000ripped… stated earlier your basing your opinions by what most bodybuilding hobbiest, not athletes do.
Elite Bodybuilders as with any sport have to do above average things to get their body so freakishly huge. They also have to do freakishly athletic things to perform the poses and show their body in the largest most ripped fashion for an instant to make themselves look better then the next guy that looks nearly identical.
I can find a number of pro-bodybuilders who have done 3-5 rep range sets for exercises at some time, as well as powerlifters who have done high rep sets. The difference is in timing and frequency of when they are done.
Not intensity. Where a bodybuilder might need to go on a short phase of super heavy for 2 weeks out of a few years just to elicit a growth response, a powerlifter might have to do the reverse for repair or other reasons. Either way, that last rep of a set is done with 100% intensity by both athletes.
Recovery is something every sport has to deal with, why do you think sports have offseasons, and all star breaks.
Pretty much all you have proven is that your an amatuer if not less. If you really want to find out if it’s a sport or not I suggest you attempt to be an elite level bodybuilder and enter a competition.
Then come back and report to us how little of a sport it is.[/quote]I’m not sure if bodybuilders should be called athletes but most bodybuilders are hobbyists. If there ever was going to be a science of bodybuilding,then it would be mostly made by following the large pool of these hobbyists who make up the bulk.
It’s not a big ‘sport’ and the pros are a few and far between,and have the drugstore advantage. Within this fistful of pros,there are some seemingly large differences in training philosophies,like Mike Mentzer as opposed to some Arnold,but that is not questioning the basics of high rep ranges.
Someone may have tried that and someone may have tried this,but core basics are identifiable. As far as I’m concerned,any gymrat,pro or hobbyist,is equally an athlete except that the competing ones show off. There’s a few basic poses that anyone with normal flexibility can do and the rest is pretty much guesswork and high hopes.
I was never concerned about debating whether it is a sport. I just wanted to quickly establish that we can call it that so we can discuss the training as opposed to sports.
[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
Have you ever done superslow eccentrics?
Or drop sets to failure?
Or tabatas for fat loss?
Furthermore, Zap Branigan has the best profile pic ever.[/quote]
Hard to believe but it is not me.
Depends on what you consider a bodybuilder. Do you have to attain a certain level or just have to be trying to build your muscles bigger? I’d consider anyone trying to build their muscles for cosmetic purposes a bodybuilder.
Most guys in the gym are trying to do this. I see T-Nation types all the time who look completly untrained yet (to themselves) have all the know how. There are a lot of guys who are somewhat built and train all the time yet are pretty flabby as well.
I’ve seen a huge number of these guys. There are pro MMA fighters out there who NEVER train and a large number who do little or half assed training. Yet they are still pro-fighters.
Or would you consider them not a fighter because they don’t train the way they should even though they have fought pro matches? If someone is training to build their body, does that make them by definition a bodybuilder? Because that is the grass roots of bodybuilding, just like the lower level shows are the grassroots of Pro-mma.
That’s why I said in my original comment, it is tough, but only if you know what you are doing. The vast majority don’t. Look at the number of threads just on this site asking if you really have to squat and/or deadlift and the number of people who support that.
Why is this thread 3 pages?
Do you all really plan to argue with this guy about how “easy” bodybuilding is for another 3 pages?
Just asking. I am waiting for a real discussion to break out but it hasn’t yet and this guy is pretty boring.
[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
Depends on what you consider a bodybuilder. Do you have to attain a certain level or just have to be trying to build your muscles bigger? I’d consider anyone trying to build their muscles for cosmetic purposes a bodybuilder. Most guys in the gym are trying to do this. [/quote]
Gee, that would include every jackass lifting light weights in the “curl rack”.
Are you honestly attempting to group every weekend warrior in with “bodybuilders”?
Why the fuck would anyone do this? Do you honestly think most bodybuilders consider those people to be one of them?
Hence my reasoning that it depends on your level and know how for how difficult it is.
[quote]1000rippedbuff wrote:
Hence my reasoning that it depends on your level and know how for how difficult it is.[/quote]
It would depend on your goals because simply gaining some amount of muscle does not make one a “bodybuilder”. If that weren’t the case, every fat housewife at the gym would also be a “bodybuilder”.
Bodybuilding means something more focused and intense than what the average person can even stick with or achieve.
Average and bodybuilding do NOT go together.
I think powerlifters would be pretty damn offended if everyone who benched squatted(1/4 squats) and maybe dead lifted was called a powerlifter lol.
and X,
Dear god I hope this thread doesn’t last another 3 pages or else I will lose all faith in common sense among people here. I would say I could just stick to the T Cell but the same crap is happening in Shugart’s thread among the “cream of the crop”.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
duffyj2 wrote:
Have you ever done superslow eccentrics?
Or drop sets to failure?
Or tabatas for fat loss?
Furthermore, Zap Branigan has the best profile pic ever.
Hard to believe but it is not me.[/quote]
For me, life is a series of endless dissapointments. 
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Freaky Styley wrote:
I don’t think it’s a sport. I don’t think anything where the winner is determined by judges is a sport. That said, it certainly isn’t easy.
LOL. There goes Olympic gymnastics and every other sport where judges determine the winner.
Some of you need to quit the bullshit. It is like it hurts some of you to accept bodybuilding as a sport. The fact that it takes literally several years of hard work before you could even do well on stage at a qualifying show, to say it doesn’t involve anything athletic is retarded.[/quote]
I don’t consider gymnastics a sport either. Athletic as hell? Certainly.
And I never said bodybuilding didn’t involve anything athletic. Way to put words in my mouth.