If you’ve ever trained in a group for a while, you would no doubt have come across a new kid join who’s come off the farm or some manual job and blows everyone will less than 3 years under their belt away haha
Especially strongman stuff. I’m pretty sure one of the competitors in the first World’s Strongest Man was just some big farm kid who hadn’t seen the inside of a gym.
I got to go train with the British Army for a month or two many moons ago. We did a few events with the Ghurkas, and I remember everybody being terrified of them. These dudes would walk 25 miles over Scottish terrain all day and night, no problem, but were anxious for days before doing some simple stuff with the Ghurkas. I was suitably impressed.
For some yes. For most, no. The vast majority of bodybuilders I either know or have followed got their development from including flys, incline barbell presses, dumbbell presses (any angle), or machine presses (gasp). Yes, dips are great but one would likely need to include other exercises.
of course it’s possible. If it was impossible, I wouldn’t have asked for video proof, because that would be fruitless. All I said was highly unlikely, and I won’t be believing it without said proof. It’s just too elite of a push press to believe it without evidence. I honestly wouldn’t have even questioned it if he had said the guy push pressed 400 for a max. HUGE difference between a 400 max push press, which I’ve seen done relatively frequently, and making 400 look easy, for reps. The difference is likely going from hundreds of guys in the world to 10.
I can totally push press 400lbs.
And only I do it like once a year with my pals
Not the first one, but Cleve Dean was an arm wrestling champ/farmer with very little weight training experience
But he also did very poorly minus the truck pull, primarily because he weighed about as much as the sun.
Magnus Samuelson is another strong farmer of note. Won 1998, and one of the few humans on earth to close the Captains of Crush #4.
Two of my favorite Farmers!
Martin “Farmer” Burns was also cool. He was so tough, he could hang himself and whistle.
Never mind whether it’s fucking ‘necessary’ or not- is humankind necessary? You should be glad you have the OPPORTUNITY to bench press. My bench has broken and I can’t afford a new one.
I did a few sets of dips at the playground yesterday and feel it a surprisingly good bit in my pects. Fwiw- I haven’t been putting much emphasis on bench. Mostly just overhead/angled dumbbell pressing for now.
Oh hell yes! It’s taken me much longer to get my bench to a point where I just need to get it stronger than any other lift, and I attribute that to taking a longer time to understand and execute the technique optimally for me. Squat and DL were relatively easy, they pretty much clicked when I got given one or two cues and then it was just a matter of grooving them. Bench I got given plenty of cues that all helped but it took around 18 months to get to the point where they clicked in the right combination - AND that time included an injury, which even though minor was enough to force me to break my bench down and put it back together.
Bang on again. I didn’t do any OHP for around a year (maybe twice), but over that time pushed my bench and did no overhead work (just bench, dips and incline). When I went back in and tried pressing and it had gone way up: my previous max, which had been an ugly grind, I hit for a clean triple.
I was the exact opposite. When I benched all the time and was extremely diligent about it, I was doing 335 and could incline 275 for 5 paused. I never did any ohp work and when I finally did it was hard for me to do 135 for a single. I never had any carryover whatsoever for ohp, but since ive been focusing on ohp solely, after coming back from a torn tendon in my left wrist I close grip benched 280 for 5 paused the other day. Different strokes I suppose. This is why I love training so much because so many people have such different experiences. Crazy shit.
I believe that’s the reason bro
I love barbell bench press. Problem is, no one benches with control anymore. It’s too fast, sloppy, and all arms.
Slow it down some, pause or spoto, and the difference is earth shattering.
Flip just said there’s more carryover to ohp from bench than there is to bench from ohp. I didn’t bench for almost a year post injury, Just ohp and I set a close grip pr. When I say I never did them I mean I didn’t focus on them. Obviously I did some overhead work, but not a lot of it.
that’s crazy! Was it a really low incline? Incline is so close to OHP, that’s really incredible that going from, say, a 45 degree angle to vertical, you would lose THAT much strength.
No it was a set incline. I’ve never really been built for ohp. I’ve always been a lot like Brady (except no where near his insane shit) in that all my other lifts are good, while my barbell ohp was shit. I remember doing 155 on the barbell and doing the 90 pound dumbbells for a double early last year. I never really had any carryover from any bench work to ohp at all.
I wanted to add too that I think a lot of it comes from technique as well. When I first started doing ohp work as my main movement I was forced to get good at it and have really improved my technique. Maybe now if I went back to strictly benching with little ohp work it would go up, but it doesn’t really mesh with my goals right now so who knows.