[quote]ukrainian wrote:
And I thought the football workout at my school was crap.[/quote]
They preach BFS here. No way in hell I’m squatting on a 2 foot box. Douchebags think they are strong becuase they get up playes on a 2 foot box. Which is really really sad.
All high box squatting does for beginners is teach them to squat high, like a quarter of the way down. Not to mention they teach a rounded back stif legged clean to push press as a proper “clean and jerk”. People in their weihgt training class say that’s how the coach has them do it.
I fell for you, but clowns work in every profession and the people hiring them make the call. I wish one of those guys worked at PSU btw, but getting one of those jobs can be very political.
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Did you work with the wrestling team at PSU or a different team?
[quote]I’mCharming wrote:
after seeing this I feel a little unfortunate that I will be going to university of Iowa this fall. I wonder if this is how the athletes lift, which is pretty goddamn terrible to say in the least, how the hell do the people who aren’t athletes lift at that school? I just think coaches should just do their job of coaching the team and leave the weightlifting to the strength coaches who know what they are doing. Their form makes me want to kill someone or just puke.[/quote]
charming, going to IA as an athlete? I saw some of your previous posts. If you’re playing football, fear not. Chris Doyle wouldn’t let that crap happen in the weightroom. He’s a stickler on form and detail. He’s into powerlifts and oly lifts. Some of his methods may seem unconventional but remember, he participates in the highland games and stuff like that. He has turned some good sized kids into beasts.
I fell for you, but clowns work in every profession and the people hiring them make the call. I wish one of those guys worked at PSU btw, but getting one of those jobs can be very political.
Did you work with the wrestling team at PSU or a different team?[/quote]
I’m a chiropractor who lifted a lot over the years and got involved with some guys like Dave Tate and Louie over the years. I actually answer questions for Dave over at Elite.
I just have been around and heard and saw stuff over the years.
I fell for you, but clowns work in every profession and the people hiring them make the call. I wish one of those guys worked at PSU btw, but getting one of those jobs can be very political.
Did you work with the wrestling team at PSU or a different team?
I’m a chiropractor who lifted a lot over the years and got involved with some guys like Dave Tate and Louie over the years. I actually answer questions for Dave over at Elite.
I just have been around and heard and saw stuff over the years.
Yikes. That was scary to watch. Like some have said, too much empahsis is placed on the strength coaches when in the end, it comes down to who has more athletic ability in their sport.
I don’t understand the practices of this team. Those are dangerous lifts they way they are being done. Unfortunately, it will probably take a few guys getting hurt before they realize this.
its wrestling, different mentality… if a guy gets hurt its because he’s weak or a pussy everyone else is fine and winning so he was the weak link. unfortunate but good riddance
the principles their strength coach espoused during the video had to be some of the most counter intuitive stuff i’ve ever heard of. Though he was on the right track, wrestling isn’t at all like other sports and body building and the such but all the training they’re doing can be done SO much more efficiently and with less danger.
guys like that are part of the reason “olifts are dangerous”.
fortunately he has the cream of the crop of wrestling athletes mentally and physically so most of those guys will never crack.
Growing up in Minnesota, I’ve always respected Iowa wrestling. But DAMN that video was depressing. I agree with other posters that guys like Zach Even-Esh and Diesel Crew do it the right way. Even some of the other videos on the site , included strongman style lifts and weight room lifts with much better technique. Even the wisconsin coach flipped tires.
[quote]I’mCharming wrote:
after seeing this I feel a little unfortunate that I will be going to university of Iowa this fall. I wonder if this is how the athletes lift, which is pretty goddamn terrible to say in the least, how the hell do the people who aren’t athletes lift at that school? I just think coaches should just do their job of coaching the team and leave the weightlifting to the strength coaches who know what they are doing. Their form makes me want to kill someone or just puke.[/quote]
Looks like i might have a new workout partner this fall. I’ll be attending also for Engineering. Dont know much on the background of the wrestling s&C coach but i know chris doyle would never have his football players using shitty form like that
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
ukrainian wrote:
And I thought the football workout at my school was crap.
They preach BFS here. No way in hell I’m squatting on a 2 foot box. Douchebags think they are strong becuase they get up playes on a 2 foot box. Which is really really sad.
All high box squatting does for beginners is teach them to squat high, like a quarter of the way down. Not to mention they teach a rounded back stif legged clean to push press as a proper “clean and jerk”. People in their weihgt training class say that’s how the coach has them do it.[/quote]
They make us do a 1x5 2x3 set/rep scheme for all the exercises, even for biceps and triceps. Oh yeah, no close grip because we already have skull crushers. Also, we do front raises on one day and push press on the next. I think thats little overtraining. And, the lineman have the same workout as the wide receivers. Oh, no deadlifts either, but they want us to have a strong core. But they won the state championship for 5A, so obviously, they are doing EVERYTHING right. (In case you are wondering, the only reason they won was because of the good players: #1 RB in the state, a high rated QB and Fb).
The sad thing is, I am beating all their lineman in all the max categories (bench, squat, clean, pull-up, dip) except for one benched 5 lbs more and another squated 20 lbs more than me (but he is about 4 inches shorter).
The video is horrible, but I can tell you that as a college wrestler, a lot of it is the mental approach, and the notion of ‘building strength and feeling strong’. That sort of mental attitude and ‘get it done’ @ all costs is the trademark of the Iowa system; performing a properly periodized push-pull workout leaving one rep in the hole, focussing on bar speed and back, would make a lot of the Iowa guys laugh (it’d be like telling them to plan their match such that they save their gas for the 4th and 5th minute).
Also, that guy isn’t a strength coach and doesn’t get paid like one I don’t think; look at his ears, he’s a wrestler. I don’t recognize him, but I nearly guarantee he is a guy training for the olympics trying to make some extra ends meet. Looking on the site, you’ll see not everyone trains like that; look up Nick Zos-something or other, Barry Davis (he’s the wrestling coach but still), the Kent State coach…maybe a couple others; they use power cleans and good pullups and bench press and front squats…
[quote]Petrichor wrote:
Shows how little of an impact weightlifting actually has on the athletic performance (at this level)[/quote]
it doesn’t mater much. how much does study matter for a bright person, or the right accessories for an attractive woman? It’s just a little icing in the cake that takes you from great to all time great. The difference at high levels is very small, and conditioning can make the difference, but it’s not much. It won’t take average and make someone great.
I am sorry tht i will have to disagree with most of you. Yes, the form is terrible, but for these kind of lifts it supposed to be. This type of weight training is all about simulating what it will be like in a match. This is why they are “horsing” the weight up. The reason they do lactic acid work before Oly work, is so that they can train themselves to be strong when completely fatigued. From an oly lifting stand point you all are completely correct, but this is wrestling. Also the reason football players lift with more strict form, is to simulate forward power, wrestlers get twisted up ALOT.
legacyfighter:“The reason they do lactic acid work before Oly work, is so that they can train themselves to be strong when completely fatigued.”
Strength training/Olympic Lifting etc. is GPP for wrestling. It should be of the highest quality. Training oneself to be as strong as possible when fatigued shouldn't be trained in the weightroom, but on the mat.
[quote]RebelSell wrote:
The video is horrible, but I can tell you that as a college wrestler, a lot of it is the mental approach, and the notion of ‘building strength and feeling strong’. That sort of mental attitude and ‘get it done’ @ all costs is the trademark of the Iowa system; performing a properly periodized push-pull workout leaving one rep in the hole, focussing on bar speed and back, would make a lot of the Iowa guys laugh (it’d be like telling them to plan their match such that they save their gas for the 4th and 5th minute).
Also, that guy isn’t a strength coach and doesn’t get paid like one I don’t think; look at his ears, he’s a wrestler. I don’t recognize him, but I nearly guarantee he is a guy training for the olympics trying to make some extra ends meet. Looking on the site, you’ll see not everyone trains like that; look up Nick Zos-something or other, Barry Davis (he’s the wrestling coach but still), the Kent State coach…maybe a couple others; they use power cleans and good pullups and bench press and front squats…[/quote]
Zadick is normally the wrestling S/C coach but the guy in the vid isn’t Zadick. I don’t recognize him and have no idea who he is.
"If you watch the video closely, it isn’t about body building and form, it’s about horsing weight around more or less in the same way that you hand fight and horse your opponent around, digging in underhooks, circle pulling a guy, etc., The whole idea that you have to have perfect weight lifting form is absurd. Perfect weightlifting form is for perfect weightlifting form…you don’t have to have perfectly controlled pullups with complete extension… "
I don’t get this. If you train with perfect form, then that will allow more CNS and muscle development. This allows you to become stronger. Then you can go on the mat on throw weight around like you ll die tomorrow. However, i understand the train like you race mentality, but isn’t this just beyond retarded? If you can do 15 full extension pullups as opposed to 15 half extended pullups then you WILL be stronger.
[quote]blazindave wrote:
"If you watch the video closely, it isn’t about body building and form, it’s about horsing weight around more or less in the same way that you hand fight and horse your opponent around, digging in underhooks, circle pulling a guy, etc., The whole idea that you have to have perfect weight lifting form is absurd. Perfect weightlifting form is for perfect weightlifting form…you don’t have to have perfectly controlled pullups with complete extension… "
I don’t get this. If you train with perfect form, then that will allow more CNS and muscle development. This allows you to become stronger. Then you can go on the mat on throw weight around like you ll die tomorrow. However, i understand the train like you race mentality, but isn’t this just beyond retarded? If you can do 15 full extension pullups as opposed to 15 half extended pullups then you WILL be stronger.
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