hang cleans + presses
hang cleans
power curls
db curls + pullups
chest supported rows
seated row + lat pulldown
front raises + lateral raises
warning, very “bad form” on their lifts, but i understand why they’re doing it. Though i personally feel that there is a smarter way to go about the results they 'd like to achieve. Who am I to disagree with fucking iowa state?
Imo, diesel crew and Zach Even Esh are on the right track as far as how to train for the sport.
Bloody hell its this crap that really pisses me off. There are loads of well qualified smart and strong strength coaches looking for work, when douche bags like this fill str and con positions it boils my blood.
/rant off
i cant argue with the results, but i do wonder what type of injuries this training will reap later on
WTF? “Hand cleans”, standing bench presses, pullups with the elbows never straightening beyond 90 degrees, round backed explosive cable rows…That was atrocious, even worse than watching the Australian national rugby team when they trained at my old gym (and that was baaaaad).
But thats the thing. As trainers like Joe Defranco have said before, the strength coaches in these high end programs get more credit than they deserve because they’re training the most gifted & dedicated athletes available. These kids would make progress on even the stupidest program because they bust their asses day in and day out and don’t have an ounce of quit in their bodies.
Bloody hell its this crap that really pisses me off. There are loads of well qualified smart and strong strength coaches looking for work, when douche bags like this fill str and con positions it boils my blood.
/rant off
i cant argue with the results, but i do wonder what type of injuries this training will reap later on[/quote]
I fell for you, but clowns work in every profession and the people hiring them make the call. I wish one of those guys worked at PSU btw, but getting one of those jobs can be very political.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Huh. That was kind of depressing.[/quote]
If you’re referrign to me, it’s sad but true. Big time programs are like any big company. HIT is liked by Joe Paterno, so they do HIT. He was good friends with Dan Riley, so that’s PSU’s deal.
Jim Wendler told me that many head coaches think they’re strength coaches, hahahaha! This leads to do it my way to some degree. I’m sure Bauer97 can tell better stories about lifting at PSU than my second hand stories, but this stuff does go on.
Better S@C would work better of course, but the fact that these guys train so hard and are such good athletes makes more of their success than the “best” program. Strength is like the icing on the cake so to speak.
But like I said, the better the training the better the same athlete will do.
“when these guys lift…it’s not about perfect form. It’s just about getting the weight up”
Then the guy goes on to say it’s about being safe…isn’t that what good form is for?
That is kind of frustrating to watch. I also am at a school in Iowa (Drake), and our S&C coaches here don’t allow that shit from their athletes. The only thing I see is a lot of guys squatting way above parallel. They do a ton of oly lift variations here and put a lot of emphasis on core/ab training. I think the programs are more westside inspired here.
[quote]boyscout wrote:
“when these guys lift…it’s not about perfect form. It’s just about getting the weight up”
Then the guy goes on to say it’s about being safe…isn’t that what good form is for?
That is kind of frustrating to watch. I also am at a school in Iowa (Drake), and our S&C coaches here don’t allow that shit from their athletes. The only thing I see is a lot of guys squatting way above parallel. They do a ton of oly lift variations here and put a lot of emphasis on core/ab training. I think the programs are more westside inspired here.[/quote]
I’m going to guess here, but I bet there are many “better” S@C guys at lower levels and mid major kind of schools. They are more likely to try something new to get an edge as opposed to the old school big boys. They sut don’t get he best athletes.
Remember, some of the coaches out there were coaching when it was controversial to even lift. We’re talking early 70s here. And at big programs, things are a little more who you know at times than the small schools.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Huh. That was kind of depressing.
If you’re referrign to me, it’s sad but true. Big time programs are like any big company. HIT is liked by Joe Paterno, so they do HIT. He was good friends with Dan Riley, so that’s PSU’s deal.
Jim Wendler told me that many head coaches think they’re strength coaches, hahahaha! This leads to do it my way to some degree. I’m sure Bauer97 can tell better stories about lifting at PSU than my second hand stories, but this stuff does go on.
Better S@C would work better of course, but the fact that these guys train so hard and are such good athletes makes more of their success than the “best” program. Strength is like the icing on the cake so to speak.
But like I said, the better the training the better the same athlete will do.
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Not really in response to you but your post is interesting.
The reality of things is I see the same thing all the time at the HS level. You have coaches out there who’s athletes would almost be better off not weight training at all because of the stuff they allow to happen in their weight rooms.
I worked with a Sophomore kid who had a ton of PL potential but just couldn’t train consistently b/c he injured his back pretty badly when their coach decided they needed to implement OH squats and the logical thing to do was max everybody out to see where they were at. That’s probably one of the worst things I have seen.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Huh. That was kind of depressing.
If you’re referrign to me, it’s sad but true. Big time programs are like any big company. HIT is liked by Joe Paterno, so they do HIT. He was good friends with Dan Riley, so that’s PSU’s deal.
Jim Wendler told me that many head coaches think they’re strength coaches, hahahaha! This leads to do it my way to some degree. I’m sure Bauer97 can tell better stories about lifting at PSU than my second hand stories, but this stuff does go on.
Better S@C would work better of course, but the fact that these guys train so hard and are such good athletes makes more of their success than the “best” program. Strength is like the icing on the cake so to speak.
But like I said, the better the training the better the same athlete will do.
Not really in response to you but your post is interesting.
The reality of things is I see the same thing all the time at the HS level. You have coaches out there who’s athletes would almost be better off not weight training at all because of the stuff they allow to happen in their weight rooms.
I worked with a Sophomore kid who had a ton of PL potential but just couldn’t train consistently b/c he injured his back pretty badly when their coach decided they needed to implement OH squats and the logical thing to do was max everybody out to see where they were at. That’s probably one of the worst things I have seen.
I guess I just expected more from IA.
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The bigger they are, the more of a clusterfuck it can be. And that was stupid. I hate overhead squats. So many people need more training before even thinking about them. Shoulders, hips, hips flexors, and backs need to be ready for them and some high school guy maxes them out on them!? Dumbass!
after seeing this I feel a little unfortunate that I will be going to university of Iowa this fall. I wonder if this is how the athletes lift, which is pretty goddamn terrible to say in the least, how the hell do the people who aren’t athletes lift at that school? I just think coaches should just do their job of coaching the team and leave the weightlifting to the strength coaches who know what they are doing. Their form makes me want to kill someone or just puke.
The bigger they are, the more of a clusterfuck it can be. And that was stupid. I hate overhead squats. So many people need more training before even thinking about them. Shoulders, hips, hips flexors, and backs need to be ready for them and some high school guy maxes them out on them!? Dumbass!
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It was really disappointing as the amount of muscle this kid carried around naturally was borderline freaky and he was aggressive and coachable.
What was even worse is the coach allowed the environment to become one in which the kids were competing with each other that day on a movement none of them had ever tried.
The kid I was referencing won the competition but ended up sidelined for the whole season. Inexcusable.
[quote]I’mCharming wrote:
after seeing this I feel a little unfortunate that I will be going to university of Iowa this fall. I wonder if this is how the athletes lift, which is pretty goddamn terrible to say in the least, how the hell do the people who aren’t athletes lift at that school? I just think coaches should just do their job of coaching the team and leave the weightlifting to the strength coaches who know what they are doing. Their form makes me want to kill someone or just puke.[/quote]
People how aren’t athletes lift badly all the time, anyway. It’s less the form (although that’s pretty bad), but more the programming.
I don’t understand how one can think they get anything done in the weight room just benching and doing arms only 3x a week. I was not informed when I started, but at least had some sense of balance with press/pull movements and doing legs.
Epithemus, do just regular joe students use the same facilities as athletes?
The bigger they are, the more of a clusterfuck it can be. And that was stupid. I hate overhead squats. So many people need more training before even thinking about them. Shoulders, hips, hips flexors, and backs need to be ready for them and some high school guy maxes them out on them!? Dumbass!
It was really disappointing as the amount of muscle this kid carried around naturally was borderline freaky and he was aggressive and coachable.
What was even worse is the coach allowed the environment to become one in which the kids were competing with each other that day on a movement none of them had ever tried.
The kid I was referencing won the competition but ended up sidelined for the whole season. Inexcusable.
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Exactly. I see no reason to do an overhead squat other than, 1. you are an olympic lifter. 2. you’re pretty advanced and can figure outn the biomechanical stuff and want to do some.