[quote]Professor X wrote:
white guy, demon tats
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Where did you get that?
Reason I ask is I know a guy who has those exact tats, in prison for the next umpteen million years.
[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
holding off on sex and masturbation will increase my test levels as well.i’ve been off for 3 days straight and already feel the gains coming in.
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Actually studies show that sex raises testosterone levels, but masturbation doesn’t have the same affect, as long as the sex isn’t too close to your workout to tire you out.
Something to consider is the sample size you have within a prison. A lot of prisons house 2000-3000 inmates. Not all inmates work out, but a whole lot of them do. Say you have a prison population of 2400, and a fourth of them hit the weight pile regularly. That’s like a gym with 800 guys working out every day, several times a day. In a sample size that big, you’re definitely going to have some outliers that have the genetics and natural strength to get really big and strong without anabolics if they lift regularly for ten years straight.
I’m sure everybody knows that one guy in their social group that never worked out a day in his life but is strong as an ox. I had a buddy like that in high school. Never worked out at all but could bench press 300 lbs and lift up the back end of cars. If guys like that, and I’m sure there are more than a few in a sample of 800 men, get locked up and start working out regularly for years, they’re going to be monsters. It’s not like every single person that goes to prison and starts lifting hard ends up looking like a bodybuilder.
[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
holding off on sex and masturbation will increase my test levels as well.i’ve been off for 3 days straight and already feel the gains coming in.
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Actually studies show that sex raises testosterone levels, but masturbation doesn’t have the same affect, as long as the sex isn’t too close to your workout to tire you out.[/quote]
i was being sarcastic
[quote]Lanfair wrote:
Something to consider is the sample size you have within a prison. A lot of prisons house 2000-3000 inmates. Not all inmates work out, but a whole lot of them do. Say you have a prison population of 2400, and a fourth of them hit the weight pile regularly. That’s like a gym with 800 guys working out every day, several times a day. In a sample size that big, you’re definitely going to have some outliers that have the genetics and natural strength to get really big and strong without anabolics if they lift regularly for ten years straight.
I’m sure everybody knows that one guy in their social group that never worked out a day in his life but is strong as an ox. I had a buddy like that in high school. Never worked out at all but could bench press 300 lbs and lift up the back end of cars. If guys like that, and I’m sure there are more than a few in a sample of 800 men, get locked up and start working out regularly for years, they’re going to be monsters. It’s not like every single person that goes to prison and starts lifting hard ends up looking like a bodybuilder. [/quote]
Impossible bro, my genetics don’t allow that and thus everyone who is more physically impressive than me is on drugs.
There have been studies that suggest that the majority of the prison population have higher than normal test levels in the first place. That is one reason test gets a bad rap in some circles. Most of the pictures I’ve seen in here look obtainable naturally
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That attitude is what keeps anyone with a differing point of view than the masses from posting.[/quote]
The irony here is precious…we had good, productive and supportive threads before you thundered back in here.
It’s amazing to me that you cannot see it’s you.[/quote]
Lol dude, do you remember kneedragger? did you know you don’t have to post in every thread on this website. T-Nation is cool in the fact that you don’t really have to participate in anything and still be a member. [/quote]
LOL dude, I was wondering when you would show up…you realize you just posted, chastising me for posting. For all of my 3 posts in this thread.
Well played 44th Phoenix…well played.
/awaits Prof X “Best Post” comment[/quote]
Lol, not trying to start an internet fight, or get you upset. I was just pointing out that not everyone has to post, so the idea that X is the only reason why some threads go south is a bit off.
and using kneedragger as an example just because some of the shit he posts Im sure some people would love to just lambaste him…but hold back
[quote]mbdix wrote:
There have been studies that suggest that the majority of the prison population have higher than normal test levels in the first place. That is one reason test gets a bad rap in some circles. Most of the pictures I’ve seen in here look obtainable naturally[/quote]
Have those studies said why?..or why they believe?
I would think it might have some correlation with the wild. As in Alphas constantly have to be uping their game.
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
There have been studies that suggest that the majority of the prison population have higher than normal test levels in the first place. That is one reason test gets a bad rap in some circles. Most of the pictures I’ve seen in here look obtainable naturally[/quote]
Have those studies said why?..or why they believe?
I would think it might have some correlation with the wild. As in Alphas constantly have to be uping their game.[/quote]
I can’t remember all of the facts of the study, but basically they were trying to link the fact that majority of the violent crime offenders had high test levels, and suggesting that higher test levels might be one factor as to why they were prone to violent acts.
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
There have been studies that suggest that the majority of the prison population have higher than normal test levels in the first place. That is one reason test gets a bad rap in some circles. Most of the pictures I’ve seen in here look obtainable naturally[/quote]
Have those studies said why?..or why they believe?
I would think it might have some correlation with the wild. As in Alphas constantly have to be uping their game.[/quote]
They didn’t say as to why. I don’t think it is anything more then their genetics caused them to have higher test levels. In prison I don’t think that it gives a person with low test levels an ability to raise their test levels. In my opinion several factors will might cause a person that has genetically high test levels to rise in prison.
One theory I have is that you have a guy out in the world who has genetically high test capabilities but he drinking, smoking, sleeping fucked up all kind of factors that cause his test levels to drop. He gets locked up, and a lot of that is gone, and he is working out in hopes of getting bigger and stronger and badder to help protect himself. Or if he has protection because of boredom. Test levels start to climb to his genetic potential. But, a guy with poor test genetics is not going to get higher test levels in prison.
Also look at other extreme, stressful, and dangerous areas, they don’t have muscular populations (usually). Think Africa, the middle east, North Korea, and China. I know some Africans are muscular but that’s not the norm. I don’t think stress or danger matter that much.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]Phoenix44e wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
There have been studies that suggest that the majority of the prison population have higher than normal test levels in the first place. That is one reason test gets a bad rap in some circles. Most of the pictures I’ve seen in here look obtainable naturally[/quote]
Have those studies said why?..or why they believe?
I would think it might have some correlation with the wild. As in Alphas constantly have to be uping their game.[/quote]
They didn’t say as to why. I don’t think it is anything more then their genetics caused them to have higher test levels. In prison I don’t think that it gives a person with low test levels an ability to raise their test levels. In my opinion several factors will might cause a person that has genetically high test levels to rise in prison.
One theory I have is that you have a guy out in the world who has genetically high test capabilities but he drinking, smoking, sleeping fucked up all kind of factors that cause his test levels to drop. He gets locked up, and a lot of that is gone, and he is working out in hopes of getting bigger and stronger and badder to help protect himself. Or if he has protection because of boredom. Test levels start to climb to his genetic potential. But, a guy with poor test genetics is not going to get higher test levels in prison. [/quote]
The studies identified individuals with higher natural test levels as ‘risk-takers’.
I will add a serious thought to this thread:
Do you think the high-frequency training style has anything to do with it (prison muscle)?
I knew guys that did time, and many did full-body or upper-lower splits. They did high frequency, high volume training with lower intensities with plenty of extra recovery due to extra time sleeping.
I remember this one guy told me he did push ups, dips, pull ups and high rep squats 6 days a week with varying rep and rest schemes.
Thoughts?
[quote]mbdix wrote:
One theory I have is that you have a guy out in the world who has genetically high test capabilities but he drinking, smoking, sleeping fucked up all kind of factors that cause his test levels to drop. He gets locked up, and a lot of that is gone, and he is working out in hopes of getting bigger and stronger and badder to help protect himself. Or if he has protection because of boredom. Test levels start to climb to his genetic potential. But, a guy with poor test genetics is not going to get higher test levels in prison. [/quote]
I tend to agree with this. No one is saying that prison somehow turns you into a pro bodybuilder. I was using the development of many of these guys mostly for the topic of “natural” vs “unnatural”(because suddenly that is all most topics are about now)…but as we can see people seem to think steroids are just as easy to use inside.
The truth is this depends on the prison system they are in because many jails don’t have weights and have constant searches…so to see decent development without a gym is impressive. I would also think steroid use itself would be far less in places like that just because of the environment.
Yes, it is generally held that those with higher testosterone are more likely to do the things that would get you sent to jail.
In short, from personal experience I have seen guys get bigger than many here say can be done and some did it without a decent weight room.
It isn’t that jail gives you superpowers…but if you fit that profile, it puts you in an environment where you will be forced to bring that out even if you hadn’t before.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It isn’t that jail gives you superpowers…but if you fit that profile, it puts you in an environment where you will be forced to bring that out even if you hadn’t before.[/quote]
I like that way of putting it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]mbdix wrote:
One theory I have is that you have a guy out in the world who has genetically high test capabilities but he drinking, smoking, sleeping fucked up all kind of factors that cause his test levels to drop. He gets locked up, and a lot of that is gone, and he is working out in hopes of getting bigger and stronger and badder to help protect himself. Or if he has protection because of boredom. Test levels start to climb to his genetic potential. But, a guy with poor test genetics is not going to get higher test levels in prison. [/quote]
I tend to agree with this. No one is saying that prison somehow turns you into a pro bodybuilder. I was using the development of many of these guys mostly for the topic of “natural” vs “unnatural”(because suddenly that is all most topics are about now)…but as we can see people seem to think steroids are just as easy to use inside.
The truth is this depends on the prison system they are in because many jails don’t have weights and have constant searches…so to see decent development without a gym is impressive. I would also think steroid use itself would be far less in places like that just because of the environment.
Yes, it is generally held that those with higher testosterone are more likely to do the things that would get you sent to jail.
In short, from personal experience I have seen guys get bigger than many here say can be done and some did it without a decent weight room.
It isn’t that jail gives you superpowers…but if you fit that profile, it puts you in an environment where you will be forced to bring that out even if you hadn’t before.[/quote]
This is what I was trying to say. I am not the greatest at putting my thoughts into written form
Alright I’ve been putting this off, trying to avoid this thread, because there’s so much horse shit being spread here. First of all, guys grow big and strong in jail, because of the perfect combination of food - rest - and time to lift. The meal times are set, and designed by a nutritionist, so for the first time in they’re lives, most of these guys are eatting perfectly ( mabey not for getting lean) and extra food apart fom the meal plan is easy to come by.
On the subject of rest, the last bit I did, this was my schedual ; breakfast came to my cell at 8am, the cell was cracked at 9am, I was out on the block from 9am to 11am (lifting), then I was locked in my cell for 2hrs for lunch ( eat and sleep) then back out on the block from 1 to 4;30 (lifting) then I was locked back in my cell for 2hrs for dinner ( eat and sleep) then back out on the block from 6;30 to 9pm (lifting), and locked down for the night. Thats alot of eatting, sleeping, and lifting. Some places have weights, other’s we use pillow cases full of water bottles, and ropes. it make no differance, because it’s the perfect storm, of -rest-food-and time for lifting. Anyone could get big on this schedual.
Steroids, LOL, in 20yrs of lifting, and going in and out of jail, only once I was offered D-bol, 40 tabs for 500$ Understand, contraband comes into the jail mostly in body cavities, so it comes down to size vrs cost. A bottle of test is worth 100$ same size piece of heroin is 1000$ The only other way contaband comes into jails, is through guards, and I’m pretty sure most of them aren’t in a hurry to make the population, bigger and stronger, and according to the media, more violent.
The point I’m making here, is steroids are unavailable in prision. Now if your a mega rich ( Ja Rule) or super powerful ( head of H-A, or crips) You can get whatever the fuck you want, but thats pretty fucking rare. Even weed is on the rare side, because it’s bulky for the price, heroin, coke, pills, are easier to stick up your ass, and they’re worth more. Thats the reality.
Not to go off on a rant, but a bunch of yuppies talking about life inside prison pisses me off, but what pisses me off more, is once again steroids are used to justify somone being able to build a little more muscle than somone else. If you had nothing to do all day, but eat - sleep - lift - year after year, probably build some muscle to.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Alright I’ve been putting this off, trying to avoid this thread, because there’s so much horse shit being spread here. First of all, guys grow big and strong in jail, because of the perfect combination of food - rest - and time to lift. The meal times are set, and designed by a nutritionist, so for the first time in they’re lives, most of these guys are eatting perfectly ( mabey not for getting lean) and extra food apart fom the meal plan is easy to come by.
On the subject of rest, the last bit I did, this was my schedual ; breakfast came to my cell at 8am, the cell was cracked at 9am, I was out on the block from 9am to 11am (lifting), then I was locked in my cell for 2hrs for lunch ( eat and sleep) then back out on the block from 1 to 4;30 (lifting) then I was locked back in my cell for 2hrs for dinner ( eat and sleep) then back out on the block from 6;30 to 9pm (lifting), and locked down for the night. Thats alot of eatting, sleeping, and lifting. Some places have weights, other’s we use pillow cases full of water bottles, and ropes. it make no differance, because it’s the perfect storm, of -rest-food-and time for lifting. Anyone could get big on this schedual.
Steroids, LOL, in 20yrs of lifting, and going in and out of jail, only once I was offered D-bol, 40 tabs for 500$ Understand, contraband comes into the jail mostly in body cavities, so it comes down to size vrs cost. A bottle of test is worth 100$ same size piece of heroin is 1000$ The only other way contaband comes into jails, is through guards, and I’m pretty sure most of them aren’t in a hurry to make the population, bigger and stronger, and according to the media, more violent. The point I’m making here, is steroids are unavailable in prision. Now if your a mega rich ( Ja Rule) or super powerful ( head of H-A, or crips) You can get whatever the fuck you want, but thats pretty fucking rare. Even weed is on the rare side, because it’s bulky for the price, heroin, coke, pills, are easier to stick up your ass, and they’re worth more. Thats the reality.
Not to go off on a rant, but a bunch of yuppies talking about life inside prison pisses me off, but what pisses me off more, is once again steroids are used to justify somone being able to build a little more muscle than somone else. If you had nothing to do all day, but eat - sleep - lift - year after year, probably build some muscle to.[/quote]
I could not have said this better. I brought it up because I know someone very close in this situation…and they would say what you just did.
It seems to be everyone on the outside claiming everyone inside is big just because of steroids.
Thank you for posting and please post more. I was getting a little tired of the same things being written by everyone posting like some sort of weight lifting group-think.
I changed my mind on this post, bump
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I changed my mind on this post, bump[/quote]
I can understand that but it was insightful. I like getting perspectives from many different backgrounds.