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[quote]Headache wrote:
[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ex-con “Leslie” after prison.
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lets all go to prison . stop wasting your time training so hard in the gym. dont even bother juicing.
just go to prison. the environment will increase your test levels. [/quote]
They live in an environment where the strong survive, do you really think that being strong willed when it comes to surviving would have no effect on the body? There is a book by Victor Frankl on this.
Hormone levels aside, I think their (inmates) definition of training hard is way above what some and probably a lot of people consider training “hard”. That and great genetics for muscular development because again we are talking about aesthetics. [/quote]
But we hardly see shredded and brolic mexicans who are in prison… i wonder why.
lmao you’re delusional .[/quote]
Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. If you think that the environment of prison has no correlation to hormone levels and physical development…the you sir are delusional
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holding off on sex and masturbation will increase my test levels as well.i’ve been off for 3 days straight and already feel the gains coming in.
[quote]Headache wrote:
If you think that the environment of prison has no correlation to hormone levels and physical development…the you sir are delusional
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I would think that all that stress would also lead to a huge spike in cortisol, combined with the shitty diets in prison…would that not lead to a much more catabolic state?
Strong bro science in this thread.
Can anyone point to a reliable source indicating that prison tends to raise your test levels?
Did anyone stop to consider that it’s more likely that people with high testosterone, who are naturally prone to greater impulsive behavior and violence, are more likely to go to prison in the first place?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Headache wrote:
If you think that the environment of prison has no correlation to hormone levels and physical development…the you sir are delusional
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I would think that all that stress would also lead to a huge spike in cortisol, combined with the shitty diets in prison…would that not lead to a much more catabolic state?
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Assuming that you are serious I will give you my thoughts…I would think that cortisol may increase at first but once an acceptance of the reality of prison has set in, meaning an individual realizes that there are YEARS of the same stressors ahead then the body would adapt to that reality. I’m certainly not saying that elevated hormonal levels are solely responsible but I am saying that it is one of many factors in the equation.
The mind and the body are amazing things and they both will certainly be put to the test in prison. It is safe to say that the mental fortitude, physical adaptations, aggressiveness, etc. that many times occur in prison, may in fact trump peri workout nutrition and many of the other elements that your average gym-goer considers so important
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
I don’t understand what the point of posting those after-prison pictures is. I don’t think anyone in here said you can’t have muscle when you leave prison.[/quote]
Dude, no offense, but you seem to respond like this often lately…and the attitude just doesn’t suit you.
Considering it is rare to get a camera in prison, I don’t see the problem with getting pictures of people right after they get out.
Ja Rule was never that muscular before. That after prison pic is because he didn’t do a photo shoot while in lock up.[/quote]
That’s fair, I don’t think I phrased that well.
I agree with what you’re saying, I guess I just didn’t realize there was a point of contention there. I figured it was obvious enough that there are loads of guys that are muscular when they leave prison. The empirical evidence is out there. I thought the thread was more about ‘why’ this is the case. In Ja Rule’s case, he’s absolutely more built in that picture than before prison.
Here’s my thought about guys like Ja Rule. If you’re not really big to begin with, I can certainly see putting on appreciable muscle while in prison. It’s a sedentary lifestyle mixed with the opportunity to workout every day. Pretty optimal conditions for bodybuilding in general.
I think it’s unlikely that realllly big guys can grow or even maintain behind bars. Vic Martinez would be a go-to example there.
Just some thoughts.
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
Strong bro science in this thread.
Can anyone point to a reliable source indicating that prison tends to raise your test levels?
Did anyone stop to consider that it’s more likely that people with high testosterone, who are naturally prone to greater impulsive behavior and violence, are more likely to go to prison in the first place?[/quote]
I seriously doubt there’s a good study out there to reference. So yea, it’s bro science.
You could be right, hard to know. Is there evidence out there that people with high testosterone are more likely to commit crimes? I wouldn’t say this is necessarily more likely, just a different, unsubstantiated projection.
[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
They live in an environment where the strong survive, do you really think that being strong willed when it comes to surviving would have no effect on the body? [/quote]
Yes. They use weapons and superior numbers to settle scores. If we ever had that ability we lost it when our ancestors used weapons and superior numbers to hunt.
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Yea but they didn’t lose the ability to grind out more reps in trying to get stronger. I get where you’re coming from though.[/quote]
Early man didn’t grind out more reps to get stronger and take down prey. They developed weapons and group tactics to take down stronger prey.
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
Strong bro science in this thread.
Can anyone point to a reliable source indicating that prison tends to raise your test levels?
Did anyone stop to consider that it’s more likely that people with high testosterone, who are naturally prone to greater impulsive behavior and violence, are more likely to go to prison in the first place?[/quote]
There is no $$$ to be made in such a study therefor there probably isn’t one. Some things are just apparent. Not every fact of reality has been backed by pub med…some things are just apparent truths
Didn’t realize it was “broscience” saying that the body can adapt.
[quote]Headache wrote:
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
Strong bro science in this thread.
Can anyone point to a reliable source indicating that prison tends to raise your test levels?
Did anyone stop to consider that it’s more likely that people with high testosterone, who are naturally prone to greater impulsive behavior and violence, are more likely to go to prison in the first place?[/quote]
There is no $$$ to be made in such a study therefor there probably isn’t one. Some things are just apparent. Not every fact of reality has been backed by pub med…some things are just apparent truths[/quote]
You are asserting that it is an apparent truth that prison raises your test levels? Come on man. Your theory and his theory are each conjecture and nothing more.
[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
Didn’t realize it was “broscience” saying that the body can adapt.[/quote]
Broscience is kind of an inflammatory term but in this case the ideas of boosted test from jail is nothing more than a theory. Doesn’t mean its wrong, doesn’t mean its right either.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]Headache wrote:
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
Strong bro science in this thread.
Can anyone point to a reliable source indicating that prison tends to raise your test levels?
Did anyone stop to consider that it’s more likely that people with high testosterone, who are naturally prone to greater impulsive behavior and violence, are more likely to go to prison in the first place?[/quote]
There is no $$$ to be made in such a study therefor there probably isn’t one. Some things are just apparent. Not every fact of reality has been backed by pub med…some things are just apparent truths[/quote]
You are asserting that it is an apparent truth that prison raises your test levels? Come on man. Your theory and his theory are each conjecture and nothing more.[/quote]
No that is NOT what I’m asserting. I do believe that it is likely though. The mind/body connection is strong and will adapt to extreme circumstances in amazing ways.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
Strong bro science in this thread.
Can anyone point to a reliable source indicating that prison tends to raise your test levels?
Did anyone stop to consider that it’s more likely that people with high testosterone, who are naturally prone to greater impulsive behavior and violence, are more likely to go to prison in the first place?[/quote]
I seriously doubt there’s a good study out there to reference. So yea, it’s bro science.
You could be right, hard to know. Is there evidence out there that people with high testosterone are more likely to commit crimes? I wouldn’t say this is necessarily more likely, just a different, unsubstantiated projection.[/quote]
That’s a fair criticism.
There is an interesting article on scientific American if you google “Men in prison higher testosterone” - short article, but it basically says violence is both a cause of and caused by higher testosterone, but ultimately the connection is fairly weak in both directions.
[quote]Headache wrote:
[quote]Mad Martigan wrote:
Strong bro science in this thread.
Can anyone point to a reliable source indicating that prison tends to raise your test levels?
Did anyone stop to consider that it’s more likely that people with high testosterone, who are naturally prone to greater impulsive behavior and violence, are more likely to go to prison in the first place?[/quote]
There is no $$$ to be made in such a study therefor there probably isn’t one. Some things are just apparent. Not every fact of reality has been backed by pub med…some things are just apparent truths[/quote]
The ‘inmates have higher test levels’ claim is an explanation for aggressive criminal behaviour that was extrapolated into ‘that’s how they get prison jacked’.
Another nugget from anthropological criminology is the ‘criminal’s ear’.
Furthermore, I believe that it’s an individual thing…some people go to prison and turn gay and bend over…others come out hardened and entirely different than when they went in. All I am saying is that it shouldn’t be discredited that a prison environment has extreme effects on the mind, body, and probably hormones that shouldn’t be discredited
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
Didn’t realize it was “broscience” saying that the body can adapt.[/quote]
Broscience is kind of an inflammatory term but in this case the ideas of boosted test from jail is nothing more than a theory. Doesn’t mean its wrong, doesn’t mean its right either. [/quote]
I didn’t want to get into raised test levels, that’s why I said to leave that aside in my first post.
And yea, theory is right.
[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
Didn’t realize it was “broscience” saying that the body can adapt.[/quote]
Believing something to be fundamentally true based on intuition alone in the realm of physical fitness is pretty much the definition of broscience.
edit: pardon the redundancy
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