Inmate Fitness

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

It also seems really stupid to take criminals many of whom have committed violent crimes and put them in a situation where they can get bigger and stronger.

Kinda seems stupid as fuck actually.
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I believe withdrawing recreation and healthy activities would cause further problems which would create people who come out of prison more screwed up than they would have been if they had it and would require more psychological and other healthcare services. [/quote]

Probably true, but it just seems crazy to make violent people more dangerous.[/quote]

A better solution would to be far more harsher to violent criminals in the first place and to avoid them multiplying so mightily as they do today. Case in point: a lot of these people do not give a damn about going to prison the way you or I would. [/quote]

Instead of looking at how nonchalant a criminal is, maybe focus on the inequalities that produce that mindset?

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

It also seems really stupid to take criminals many of whom have committed violent crimes and put them in a situation where they can get bigger and stronger.

Kinda seems stupid as fuck actually.
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I believe withdrawing recreation and healthy activities would cause further problems which would create people who come out of prison more screwed up than they would have been if they had it and would require more psychological and other healthcare services. [/quote]

Probably true, but it just seems crazy to make violent people more dangerous.[/quote]

A better solution would to be far more harsher to violent criminals in the first place and to avoid them multiplying so mightily as they do today. Case in point: a lot of these people do not give a damn about going to prison the way you or I would. [/quote]

Yea, when it is not a deterrent anymore…I can very much see your point.

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[quote]Pj92x wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

It also seems really stupid to take criminals many of whom have committed violent crimes and put them in a situation where they can get bigger and stronger.

Kinda seems stupid as fuck actually.
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I believe withdrawing recreation and healthy activities would cause further problems which would create people who come out of prison more screwed up than they would have been if they had it and would require more psychological and other healthcare services. [/quote]

Probably true, but it just seems crazy to make violent people more dangerous.[/quote]

A better solution would to be far more harsher to violent criminals in the first place and to avoid them multiplying so mightily as they do today. Case in point: a lot of these people do not give a damn about going to prison the way you or I would. [/quote]

Instead of looking at how nonchalant a criminal is, maybe focus on the inequalities that produce that mindset?[/quote]

I THINK I know where you’re going with this. If I am correct, I am not on board with that outlook, the outlook that EVERYONE ELSE is to blame for the misdeeds of these people. I can be wrong here, because I am not sure where you are going with this.

However, if my loved ones or I–god forbid!–are a victim of these animals, any excuse of theirs about how they were mistreated or given a fair chance or whatever is NOT going to fly with me, let alone it not flying if it happens to a stranger which is still a burden on us because we have to witness or hear about these crimes and the remorseless bastards who commit them.

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And also, I might not be equal to a welfare recipient who, to no fault of his or her own, is down and out, but I am also not equal to my rich friend who inherited his father’s diamond and jewelry business. This gives me no excuse to start robbing people because I’d like to have the toys my rich friend has.

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[quote]Ecchastang wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
I personally think it is retarded to glorify a bunch of dumbass fuckups in prison, whether they are huge or not. [/quote]

But guy, this is about intensity. [/quote]
This thread is not about intensity, although that has been part of it. It has also been about drugs vs natural, about racial differences, about nutrition, volume, rest, testosterone levels, etc. I personally think they should limit weight lifting in prison, give them less time in the yard, no TV’s, nothing. Sure prison life isn’t a walk in the park, I am sure, but why spend an extra dime on creature comforts for a criminal.[/quote]

You’re both wrong.

This thread is about professor X.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

It also seems really stupid to take criminals many of whom have committed violent crimes and put them in a situation where they can get bigger and stronger.

Kinda seems stupid as fuck actually.
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I believe withdrawing recreation and healthy activities would cause further problems which would create people who come out of prison more screwed up than they would have been if they had it and would require more psychological and other healthcare services. [/quote]

Probably true, but it just seems crazy to make violent people more dangerous.[/quote]

A better solution would to be far more harsher to violent criminals in the first place and to avoid them multiplying so mightily as they do today. Case in point: a lot of these people do not give a damn about going to prison the way you or I would. [/quote]

Instead of looking at how nonchalant a criminal is, maybe focus on the inequalities that produce that mindset?[/quote]

I THINK I know where you’re going with this. If I am correct, I am not on board with that outlook, the outlook that EVERYONE ELSE is to blame for the misdeeds of these people. I can be wrong here, because I am not sure where you are going with this.

However, if my loved ones or I–god forbid!–are a victim of these animals, any excuse of theirs about how they were mistreated or given a fair chance or whatever is NOT going to fly with me, let alone it not flying if it happens to a stranger which is still a burden on us because we have to witness or hear about these crimes and the remorseless bastards who commit them. [/quote]

By all means condemn and even take action against criminals, but I feel like acting as though their malevolence and horrific crimes come from their mere free will is the reason crime is not stamped out and we have so much of it.

If you a re born in poverty your likelihood of becoming a criminal rises. If you are a minority also in poverty it goes even higher, if you are born in a certain area then it goes up even more.

If you merely use a scientific analysis of societies, the ones that were in poverty were the most brutal, the vikings, the german tries, the early europeans. All these people became warrior cultures because their environment was harsh and hostile, while African development wqas far more relaxed, because their conditions were far more hospitable.

I have a unique insight from my family. My cousin craig is from a wealthy area, I am from a blue collar relatively poor area and my cousin is from our version of the projects.

My wealthy cousin works in a wealth off job and went to the top university and had private schooling. He is now well off himself and has a house paid for and a badass car at 26.

I am working a shit job and was in trouble with the law a bit when I was younger.

My other cousin is in jail.

Now we have personal responsibility, but we were raised in different environments and so our outlooks and behaviour was always very different and we were somewhat predetermined to follow a path.

We are ultimately responsible for our actions, but our mindset and out guidance and our views on what was possible for us were vastly different.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
And also, I might not be equal to a welfare recipient who, to no fault of his or her own, is down and out, but I am also not equal to my rich friend who inherited his father’s diamond and jewelry business. This gives me no excuse to start robbing people because I’d like to have the toys my rich friend has. [/quote]

i would say you bob and ted have the class interest to take his shit. I don’t know if you have the right as they change all the time depending on what the current ruling class view as rights based on social mores and such.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Ecchastang wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
I personally think it is retarded to glorify a bunch of dumbass fuckups in prison, whether they are huge or not. [/quote]

But guy, this is about intensity. [/quote]
but why spend an extra dime on creature comforts for a criminal.[/quote]

I think that Ratt was being sarcastic with ya, but who knows.

It also seems really stupid to take criminals many of whom have committed violent crimes and put them in a situation where they can get bigger and stronger.

Kinda seems stupid as fuck actually.
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Ya I was being sarcastic lol.

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Who gives a shit? Make a post in the political forum to discuss your hatred of prisoners.

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[quote]Pj92x wrote:
By all means condemn and even take action against criminals, but I feel like acting as though their malevolence and horrific crimes come from their mere free will is the reason crime is not stamped out and we have so much of it.
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Sam Harris wrote a book (long essay, really) called Free Will and talks about this.

He begins the book by illustrating a brutally heinous crime that involved rape and murder, but goes on to say that, despite the fact that he found the crime horrific and appalling, if he had the exact same life experience that the two criminals had, he would have committed the very same crime.

Basically, he makes a compelling argument that we don’t actually have free will. Rather we’re controlled by the plastic nature of our brains and how it’s constantly rewiring itself (neurons, synapses, etc…) depending on our everyday experiences. It’s almost as if our brains are a physical ‘neural map’ (for lack of a better term) of our past experience and the direction we head in for the future is dependent on our past experiences.

I read it quite some time ago, so I can’t remember exactly, but I’m pretty sure they mentioned a study where they were able to predict peoples’ actions up to a few seconds in advance using fMRI’s.

To be honest, I think the argument that we don’t actually have free will holds a significant amount of weight. We’re going to discuss free will in my cognitive neuroscience class towards the end of the semester. I’m really fuckin’ excited for it haha.

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There may be something to this inmate fitness.

I’ve been watching all of the World’s Strongest Man finals on YouTube, and the other day I got up to the year 2000, which was the first year that Mariusz Pudzianowski competed in the finals. He finished fourth, and it was funny seeing the other competitors refer to him as “the Polish guy”, knowing that soon everyone would know his name.

I then watched the 2001 finals, thinking that this must mark the beginning of Pudzianowski’s domination, but was surprised to see that he wasn’t there…

Fast forward to the 2002 finals, and in an interview he tells the story of how he was responsible for a car accident that left someone seriously injured, for which he went to prison. He got out, trained for four months, and won the WSM. He said that in prison, people wanted to humiliate him, and that this was his chance to show them who was boss.

So there you go, conclusive proof: do a stint behind bars, train for four months, and you’ll be the strongest man in the world.

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[quote]Pj92x wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
And also, I might not be equal to a welfare recipient who, to no fault of his or her own, is down and out, but I am also not equal to my rich friend who inherited his father’s diamond and jewelry business. This gives me no excuse to start robbing people because I’d like to have the toys my rich friend has. [/quote]

i would say you bob and ted have the class interest to take his shit. I don’t know if you have the right as they change all the time depending on what the current ruling class view as rights based on social mores and such.[/quote]

Class interest to take his shit? How so? Because he had a better economic opportunity than I did?

The only societies which said it was OK for the resentful losers of a society to take from their betters were full blown Bolshevik communist.

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I love how the professor has loads of naked convicts in his youtube playlist.

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[quote]Pj92x wrote:
I love how the professor has loads of naked convicts in his youtube playlist.[/quote]
And odds are they have had sex with other men at some time.

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Institutionalization starts at birth for the guys in these videos. People are born into welfare, commit various crimes to get a little extra, take for granted that they Will go to prison, and graduate from one pubic tit to another.

They’re experts at working our social systems to their advantage and taking things from people with no remorse, coupled with the mindset of “I’m gonna get mine”.

Basic scum. Born and raised with a criminal sense of entitlement.

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[quote]Pj92x wrote:

If you merely use a scientific analysis of societies, the ones that were in poverty were the most brutal, the vikings, the german tries, the early europeans. All these people became warrior cultures because their environment was harsh and hostile, while African development wqas far more relaxed, because their conditions were far more hospitable.

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Oh yeah …Africa is so hospitable. No genocide, civil war, forced famine … Places like Sierra Leone, Rwanda, and Liberia are virtual Utopias!

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[quote]Ecchastang wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
I love how the professor has loads of naked convicts in his youtube playlist.[/quote]
And odds are they have had sex with other men at some time.[/quote]

There you have it - the missing ingredient to swole-ness : man on man prison sex

…and lots of Ramen after

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Institutionalization starts at birth for the guys in these videos. People are born into welfare, commit various crimes to get a little extra, take for granted that they Will go to prison, and graduate from one pubic tit to another.

They’re experts at working our social systems to their advantage and taking things from people with no remorse, coupled with the mindset of “I’m gonna get mine”.

Basic scum. Born and raised with a criminal sense of entitlement.

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Before what I believe to be two wacked out ideologies came about–liberalism and communism–only a tiny fraction of people excused people for their own personal neglect resulting from FAULTS OF THEIR OWN–not those who really did fall out on their ass to no fault of their own–and ever spoke of inequality as an excuse to wage war against those who were better than they!

So how do you make things equal? Debase everyone to the lowest common denominator or simply get rid of the more aggressive, smarter, better looking, more robust, independent, steadier, more disciplined people. FIFTY MILLION Europeans died so things could become equal or in the better cases, were so disenfranchised that they didn’t bother to put their best feet forward anymore!

Other than getting rid of the filthy rich, elite gangsters–with their ILL-GOTTEN and UNEARNED loot–who feel they’re entitled to enslave and exploit the rest of us, how do we solve this inequality problem with the more moral and hard working and smarter or gifted and luckier people? I’d like to know. Get rid of them? Tell them to dumb down a few notches and not work so hard? And solutions?

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Before what I believe to be two wacked out ideologies came about–liberalism [/quote]

Liberalism plays a pretty significant role in the founding of our country due to the heavy influence of Locke’s social contract theory on the formation of our Constitution, along with a revolutionary war fought upon the liberal ideals that hereditary power is illegitimate and there was no divine right for kings over a people. I imagine you were meaning to make this claim more toward contemporary liberalism rather than classical, but your statement about it stemming from when it “came about” lead me to want to make this clarifying point.