[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Before what I believe to be two wacked out ideologies came about–liberalism [/quote]
Liberalism plays a pretty significant role in the founding of our country due to the heavy influence of Locke’s social contract theory on the formation of our Constitution, along with a revolutionary war fought upon the liberal ideals that hereditary power is illegitimate and there was no divine right for kings over a people. I imagine you were meaning to make this claim more toward contemporary liberalism rather than classical, but your statement about it stemming from when it “came about” lead me to want to make this clarifying point.[/quote]
Yes, contemporary liberalism, which if I have it right, came about in the 1960’s, when the talk of equality became a broken record like term for the cause of nearly every social ill in society.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Before what I believe to be two wacked out ideologies came about–liberalism [/quote]
Liberalism plays a pretty significant role in the founding of our country due to the heavy influence of Locke’s social contract theory on the formation of our Constitution, along with a revolutionary war fought upon the liberal ideals that hereditary power is illegitimate and there was no divine right for kings over a people. I imagine you were meaning to make this claim more toward contemporary liberalism rather than classical, but your statement about it stemming from when it “came about” lead me to want to make this clarifying point.[/quote]
Yes, contemporary liberalism, which if I have it right, came about in the 1960’s, when the talk of equality became a broken record like term for the cause of nearly every social ill in society. [/quote]
I would say it’s origins are more around the New Deal if we are talking about purely in the United States. The Great Depression had a pretty significant impact on the presence and significance of social welfare programs.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Before what I believe to be two wacked out ideologies came about–liberalism [/quote]
Liberalism plays a pretty significant role in the founding of our country due to the heavy influence of Locke’s social contract theory on the formation of our Constitution, along with a revolutionary war fought upon the liberal ideals that hereditary power is illegitimate and there was no divine right for kings over a people. I imagine you were meaning to make this claim more toward contemporary liberalism rather than classical, but your statement about it stemming from when it “came about” lead me to want to make this clarifying point.[/quote]
Yes, contemporary liberalism, which if I have it right, came about in the 1960’s, when the talk of equality became a broken record like term for the cause of nearly every social ill in society. [/quote]
I would say it’s origins are more around the New Deal if we are talking about purely in the United States. The Great Depression had a pretty significant impact on the presence and significance of social welfare programs.
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I am socialist minded, just not the sort of egalitarian style, middle-class-as-host-to-parasite-and-elite-vulture type of socialism, or communism, which everyone seems to think is the only form of socialism.
I am also in favor of welfare programs that STRENGTHEN the community or helps people when they fall on their ass to no fault of their own and they need a fair chance to get up again.
I am socialist minded, just not the sort of egalitarian style, middle-class-as-host-to-parasite-and-elite-vulture type of socialism, or communism, which everyone seems to think is the only form of socialism.
I am also in favor of welfare programs that STRENGTHEN the community or helps people when they fall on their ass to no fault of their own and they need a fair chance to get up again. [/quote]
I apologize, my intent wasn’t to discuss the merits of either philosophy, just the historical data about it. It’s what my formal education is in, so I find it interesting.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Institutionalization starts at birth for the guys in these videos. People are born into welfare, commit various crimes to get a little extra, take for granted that they Will go to prison, and graduate from one pubic tit to another.
They’re experts at working our social systems to their advantage and taking things from people with no remorse, coupled with the mindset of “I’m gonna get mine”.
Basic scum. Born and raised with a criminal sense of entitlement.
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Before what I believe to be two wacked out ideologies came about–liberalism and communism–only a tiny fraction of people excused people for their own personal neglect resulting from FAULTS OF THEIR OWN–not those who really did fall out on their ass to no fault of their own–and ever spoke of inequality as an excuse to wage war against those who were better than they!
So how do you make things equal? Debase everyone to the lowest common denominator or simply get rid of the more aggressive, smarter, better looking, more robust, independent, steadier, more disciplined people. FIFTY MILLION Europeans died so things could become equal or in the better cases, were so disenfranchised that they didn’t bother to put their best feet forward anymore!
Other than getting rid of the filthy rich, elite gangsters–with their ILL-GOTTEN and UNEARNED loot–who feel they’re entitled to enslave and exploit the rest of us, how do we solve this inequality problem with the more moral and hard working and smarter or gifted and luckier people? I’d like to know. Get rid of them? Tell them to dumb down a few notches and not work so hard? And solutions? [/quote]
I have a pretty good idea about this based on my own conversion from criminal fuck up to productive citizen but I can’t type it up tonight. It’s getting too late.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
It’s the boatload of 18yr kids everyday weighing 170lbs wanting to get huge, and starting threads about what way to point they’re pinky finger’s when they’re doing latterals, it boggle’s the fucking mind. This thing is so simple, EAT - LIFT - SLEEP, how the fuck can you screw that up, oh ya, by over complicating it.
Inmate training strips that all down to the basic’s, more people need to think about this. If they can build muscle, why can’t that 18yr kid who’s got his parents buying him all the latest supps, and he’s training in a world class gym, and after 3yrs he’s still squatting 275, and weighing 185, it makes no fucking sense. I think thats the point.[/quote]
[quote]Ecchastang wrote:
I personally think it is retarded to glorify a bunch of dumbass fuckups in prison, whether they are huge or not. [/quote]
But guy, this is about intensity. [/quote]
This thread is not about intensity, although that has been part of it. It has also been about drugs vs natural, about racial differences, about nutrition, volume, rest, testosterone levels, etc. I personally think they should limit weight lifting in prison, give them less time in the yard, no TV’s, nothing. Sure prison life isn’t a walk in the park, I am sure, but why spend an extra dime on creature comforts for a criminal.[/quote]
I am socialist minded, just not the sort of egalitarian style, middle-class-as-host-to-parasite-and-elite-vulture type of socialism, or communism, which everyone seems to think is the only form of socialism.
I am also in favor of welfare programs that STRENGTHEN the community or helps people when they fall on their ass to no fault of their own and they need a fair chance to get up again. [/quote]
I agree with your train of thought. We should have programs to aid those trying to better themselves or those who are having hard times finding an employer.
I will add to this subject of inmates, the majority of guys I know who have gone to prison or worked with prisoners always reach the same bottom line, that the majority of inmates are people from broken, abusive homes or have been subject to abuse physically or sexually I would think emotionally as well. This is why rehabilitation works with some inmates they are the same as you and I they have just been abused for years and learn defense mechanisms to cope or force the abuse outwards and away from themselves. Sounds like it would be hard shit to deal with and actually deal with such emotional scarring hence why alot of them put up tough guy fronts because you can’t appear to be weak.
Liberalism is not left wing or socialist. It is the left wing of capital. It does not advocate workers control of the means of production, it advocates capitalist enterprise with slightly higher taxes. It advocates a state, a police force and a military. People think republican and liberal are left and right, which is insane.
Capitalist statism is always right by definition of being capitalist and statist. Thats why its hilarious some AMERICANS THINK HIGHER TAXES AND WELFARE EQUALS SOCIALISM. Socialism is one class by force collectivising the means of production and abolishing the capitalist state.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Liberalism is not left wing or socialist. It is the left wing of capital. It does not advocate workers control of the means of production, it advocates capitalist enterprise with slightly higher taxes. It advocates a state, a police force and a military. People think republican and liberal are left and right, which is insane.
Capitalist statism is always right by definition of being capitalist and statist. Thats why its hilarious some AMERICANS THINK HIGHER TAXES AND WELFARE EQUALS SOCIALISM. Socialism is one class by force collectivising the means of production and abolishing the capitalist state.
Liberalism is nothing of the sort.
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What we have in America is plutocracy. I don’t care who’s in charge at the time, or whatever details there are in the system. At the end of the day, it is a tiny minority of elitist, filthy stinking rich (I’m not talking about wealth rightfully earned by a talented person) plutocrats that want us to be serfs on a modern day global plantation.
It’s not democracy, it’s not socialism, it’s not “neo-conism”, it’s not liberalism, or any other term.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
It’s the boatload of 18yr kids everyday weighing 170lbs wanting to get huge, and starting threads about what way to point they’re pinky finger’s when they’re doing latterals, it boggle’s the fucking mind. This thing is so simple, EAT - LIFT - SLEEP, how the fuck can you screw that up, oh ya, by over complicating it.
Inmate training strips that all down to the basic’s, more people need to think about this. If they can build muscle, why can’t that 18yr kid who’s got his parents buying him all the latest supps, and he’s training in a world class gym, and after 3yrs he’s still squatting 275, and weighing 185, it makes no fucking sense. I think thats the point.[/quote]
Great post.[/quote]
But see, some of the posters here don’t even want that discussed.
They will even fill the thread with bs so the topic can’t continue.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
It’s the boatload of 18yr kids everyday weighing 170lbs wanting to get huge, and starting threads about what way to point they’re pinky finger’s when they’re doing latterals, it boggle’s the fucking mind. This thing is so simple, EAT - LIFT - SLEEP, how the fuck can you screw that up, oh ya, by over complicating it.
Inmate training strips that all down to the basic’s, more people need to think about this. If they can build muscle, why can’t that 18yr kid who’s got his parents buying him all the latest supps, and he’s training in a world class gym, and after 3yrs he’s still squatting 275, and weighing 185, it makes no fucking sense. I think thats the point.[/quote]
Great post.[/quote]
But see, some of the posters here don’t even want that discussed.
They will even fill the thread with bs so the topic can’t continue.
It’s sad really.[/quote]
I’d add to it, as I’ve been in jail a couple of times and came out bigger, but not big enough apparently. Must have been genetics. Either that or making bond.
That, and you can only discuss 2x/day body weight type stuff so much before it’s been covered.
They exercise with intensity, then eat and rest at leisure.
Thats it. Nice life if you don’t mind double edged swords.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That, and you can only discuss 2x/day body weight type stuff so much before it’s been covered.
They exercise with intensity, then eat and rest at leisure.
Thats it. Nice life if you don’t mind double edged swords.[/quote]
Just a note, you can only discuss ALL of this and every aspect of lifting so much before it is covered. That is why different perspectives are very important.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That, and you can only discuss 2x/day body weight type stuff so much before it’s been covered.
They exercise with intensity, then eat and rest at leisure.
Thats it. Nice life if you don’t mind double edged swords.[/quote]
Just a note, you can only discuss ALL of this and every aspect of lifting so much before it is covered. That is why different perspectives are very important.[/quote]
Then why have so many perspectives been discredited? Guards affirming that they eat as well as anybody reasonably can, drugs making their way in and what ever else?
I used to run with a guy that did three and a half years in Texas, starting in Dallas and moving into the state correctional facilities after sentencing. He was real clear that if you were connected, you could get anything you wanted in there.
But thats bullshit right?, because they can’t get needles in, run a proper cycle, etc.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Then why have so many perspectives been discredited? Guards affirming that they eat as well as anybody reasonably can, drugs making their way in and what ever else?[/quote]
Who was discredited? I must have missed this post. It is strange what some of you say was posted somewhere when there are no posts like that anywhere.
[quote]I used to run with a guy that did three and a half years in Texas, starting in Dallas and moving into the state correctional facilities after sentencing. He was real clear that if you were connected, you could get anything you wanted in there.
But thats bullshit right?, because they can’t get needles in, run a proper cycle, etc.[/quote]
Actually, what was said is that in many of these prisons like in Texas that do NOT HAVE WEIGHTS and who conduct regular cell searches, it would be damn near impossible to run a cycle.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Then why have so many perspectives been discredited? Guards affirming that they eat as well as anybody reasonably can, drugs making their way in and what ever else?[/quote]
Who was discredited? I must have missed this post. It is strange what some of you say was posted somewhere when there are no posts like that anywhere.
[quote]I used to run with a guy that did three and a half years in Texas, starting in Dallas and moving into the state correctional facilities after sentencing. He was real clear that if you were connected, you could get anything you wanted in there.
But thats bullshit right?, because they can’t get needles in, run a proper cycle, etc.[/quote]
Actually, what was said is that in many of these prisons like in Texas that do NOT HAVE WEIGHTS and who conduct regular cell searches, it would be damn near impossible to run a cycle.
Many of the guards here affirmed this.
What posts did you read saying otherwise?
Waiting on that post discrediting someone…[/quote]
It’s not hard when the people looking for it are the same ones who brought it in.
And regular cell searches are about as random as the inmates behavior dictates. Piss someone off and your cell gets tossed. Someone claims you have contraband, your cell gets tossed. All your shit gets rooted through and thrown out.
That isn’t a security measure, it is a disciplinary measure.
