[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Thanks Jake. 
I love your posts man. They get me very motivated to work hard and get to the gym. [/quote]
me too.
Thanks guys, ââAweââ Itâs funny but after so many years where you have to watch every word you say, and every little move you make, itâs liberating just letting shit spew. Itâs hard to explain, but I donât have to get caught up in image, and being cool or whatever other people seem to worry about. I love having nothing to hide, no concern what people think of me. I just let things spew, and if I come off like a big dork, or simple it just matterâs not to me. I love my life, what Iâve become, and having a second chance. Glad people find it motivating, liberating, invigerating, that all I got. Latter
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Thats my story exactly Brick, My dream was/is to own a athleticâs PLing type gym, but the 5000sqft place I lease right now is 6500$ a month just for rent alone, not to mention half a million in equipment payments, ya canât pay billâs with a couple dozen monsterâs throwing weights around. So your stuck building what people want, and what will be profitable, than put the real stuff in the back.
This ateast is one better than most franchise gyms, that donât have a weight pit in the back. Anyway I have a thread somwhere about how to open your own comercial gym, so I donât need to turn this into that, but lets just say, itâs not at all what people imagine. I get people every day telling me how I should be running my gym, haha Itâs one of those buisness where you really have no clue how it works till your in it.
The majority of my money come from memberâs that donât ever show up, who knew, 600 memberâs, and mabey 100 that come regular, so you focus on them, and strange enough, theyâre usually the ones that want the rusty stuff in the back, and the people that donât ever come, sign up for all the shiney stuff up front. It seems like a scam, but it is what it is
Like anything I guess, I wouldnât pretend to know how the medical buisness works, but everyone and theyâre brother thinks they know how to run a sucessfull gym. Funny stuff, we all got bills to pay, morgages, kids to feed, young wives to go shopping, haha, so at the end of the day it has to be profitable, and stay open, so us real lifterâs have a place to go. Got to go make dinner, thanks for the suport, Latter
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This reminds me of martial artâs guys thru the years who wanted to open their own hardcore âdojoâ ⌠The smart ones realized that to live their dream they would have to market to and schedule kids classes to make money ⌠Even though they didnât want to. Thatâs where the money is in Karate, etcâŚ
The hardheaded ones who only wanted to train the âseriousâ adults either went out of business or could never pull off full time ⌠They ended up working day jobs they hated so they could have the adult classes they wanted at night âŚ
I imagine hitching your income wagon to a group of gym rat meatheads probably wouldnât be the best business model 
I think it depends on the size of the market as well, but in any buisness itâs about getting people through the door, and in a small town that means catering to everyone.
Funny story, there was a kid leaving slanderous gay messages on the chaulk board wall by my entrance, so I backed up my cameraâs and figured out who it was. I came in one day when he was working out, and I showed him to the door, told him to work out some where else. I didnât even know I had any gay memberâs, but one was working out It seems at the time, a Dr. I guess he was conected, and he spread the word of my expulsion. Anyway within a month I had 30-40 gay memberâs, all working profesionalâs. Theyâd all come in and sign up shake my hand, and thank me. I became the defender of gay rights in this small town, and got a shit load of buisness out of the deal. Buisness is buisness
[quote]Velvet Elvis wrote:
This reminds me of martial artâs guys thru the years who wanted to open their own hardcore âdojoâ ⌠The smart ones realized that to live their dream they would have to market to and schedule kids classes to make money ⌠Even though they didnât want to. Thatâs where the money is in Karate, etcâŚ
The hardheaded ones who only wanted to train the âseriousâ adults either went out of business or could never pull off full time ⌠They ended up working day jobs they hated so they could have the adult classes they wanted at night âŚ
I imagine hitching your income wagon to a group of gym rat meatheads probably wouldnât be the best business model
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This is a great analogy. In college I trained at a relatively hard-core Karate dojo. We trained out of a dingy garage with cement floor and never had more than 4 or 5 people at once. Most people who came to try it out were afraid of the hard work and intense attitude. Which was fine for the few of us who appreciated the discipline. We all paid the instructor a small stipend out of respect but he (and we) knew that this would never be a business model he could live off of.
I personally think Jake has a fantastic and realistic business model going: some basic exercise and movement for the masses (and this does have some health value) and introduction to the hard core discipline for the few that are willing to put in the work. His place is sort of a âgate-wayâ gym for those that might not have been able to make the jump into heavy lifting in one go. And those who donât make the jump get to elevate their heart rate for 20 minutes, three times per week.
Cheers,
Needa
I think this needs to get back on Inmate liftinng track, and off of me. We had a good thread going, thanks for all the suport but on with the show.
I have a thread called ââOpening second gymââ about how to open your own comercial gym, gladly answer questions there, but this is a good thread thats gotten hyjacked. I know I played a roll in that, but I was enjoying the inmate lifting thread. Latter
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I think it depends on the size of the market as well, but in any buisness itâs about getting people through the door, and in a small town that means catering to everyone.
Funny story, there was a kid leaving slanderous gay messages on the chaulk board wall by my entrance, so I backed up my cameraâs and figured out who it was. I came in one day when he was working out, and I showed him to the door, told him to work out some where else. I didnât even know I had any gay memberâs, but one was working out It seems at the time, a Dr. I guess he was conected, and he spread the word of my expulsion. Anyway within a month I had 30-40 gay memberâs, all working profesionalâs. Theyâd all come in and sign up shake my hand, and thank me. I became the defender of gay rights in this small town, and got a shit load of buisness out of the deal. Buisness is buisness[/quote]
Props to you! That is a great story.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I think it depends on the size of the market as well, but in any buisness itâs about getting people through the door, and in a small town that means catering to everyone.
Funny story, there was a kid leaving slanderous gay messages on the chaulk board wall by my entrance, so I backed up my cameraâs and figured out who it was. I came in one day when he was working out, and I showed him to the door, told him to work out some where else. I didnât even know I had any gay memberâs, but one was working out It seems at the time, a Dr. I guess he was conected, and he spread the word of my expulsion. Anyway within a month I had 30-40 gay memberâs, all working profesionalâs. Theyâd all come in and sign up shake my hand, and thank me. I became the defender of gay rights in this small town, and got a shit load of buisness out of the deal. Buisness is buisness[/quote]
Props to you! That is a great story.[/quote]
PBS mini series.
A hardened man must struggle against himself and conquer his inner demons for the family he loves.
Starring ross kemp as Anytime jake.
I like the guy from the ââshieldââ better, haha, someday Iâll write a book, but nobody will believe it. shit just seems to happen, and most of the time I donât believe it. Latter
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Itâs so cool youâre back into this hobby skyzyks. [/quote]
Thanks Brick.
It feels like a switch flicked back on.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I think this needs to get back on Inmate liftinng track, and off of me. We had a good thread going, thanks for all the suport but on with the show.
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Agreed. Some guys turn every thread off topic.
From Strong lifts:
[quote]Yesterday I gave you a training video of prison guys. Several of those guys in that video were big, muscular and Squatting over 400lbs. Whatâs their secret?
You can be sure that their secret is NOT their diet. Prison guys are NOT doing any of the stuff muscle magazines keep saying is crucial for muscle gains�
Prison guys DONâT eat slow protein pre bed
Prison guys also DONâ??T eat fast protein post workout
Prison guys definitely DONâ??T have protein every 3 hours
In prison you get 3 meals per day. Low quality, low protein meals. Thatâ??s it. And in some US states, as reported by the NY Times in June 2009, inmates only get 2 meals/day. This proves that diet matters less than training for muscle gains.
Yes, supplements and steroids could be accessible in prison, but they would be expensive. And remember plenty of guys are drinking 3 shakes per day without getting anywhere. Same with steroids: Iâve seen enough drug-using lifters who had yo-yo muscle gains depending on whether they were on or off their cycle.
Genetics? Thatâs the cop out everyone uses when nothing theyâre doing works when in fact theyâ??re using ineffective training methods OR simply not putting enough work in the gym. But nobody likes to hear that story.
Charles Bronson, author of âSolitary Fitnessâ, spent 34 years in prison (mostly in solitary confinement) and could do Push-ups with 2 men on his back and on a crappy diet. They made a movie about him in 2008 by the way â?? âBronsonâ - starring Tom Hardy (thatâ??s the guy from Inception and the upcoming Mad Max).
Training is the secret of prison guys. Watch the video again. Listen to what they say. These guys donâ??t drag themselves to the gym, itâ??s the only thing they have. Look at the atmosphere in the gym: their motivation is high. You wonâ??t stay skinny and weak if you train like them, whatever your diet is.
Prison guys arenâ??t the only group of people who get muscular using the worst diet ever.
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There arenât that many people here the size of these guys when this site should be filled with it.
This thread really opened my eyes to what natties can actually achieve. Iâm now a believer that there are no limits with the right mental attitude and environment.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
There arenât that many people here the size of these guys when this site should be filled with it.
X, have you ever considered going to other sites filled with jacked and ripped guys being the norm? There are plenty out there.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
X, have you ever considered going to other sites filled with jacked and ripped guys being the norm? There are plenty out there. [/quote]
Have you considered staying on topic and not worrying about what I do?
Pro X wrote;
Yesterday I gave you a training video of prison guys. Several of those guys in that video were big, muscular and Squatting over 400lbs. Whatâs their secret?
You can be sure that their secret is NOT their diet. Prison guys are NOT doing any of the stuff muscle magazines keep saying is crucial for muscle gains�
Prison guys DONâT eat slow protein pre bed
Prison guys also DONâ??T eat fast protein post workout
Prison guys definitely DONâ??T have protein every 3 hours
In prison you get 3 meals per day. Low quality, low protein meals. Thatâ??s it. And in some US states, as reported by the NY Times in June 2009, inmates only get 2 meals/day. This proves that diet matters less than training for muscle gains.
Yes, supplements and steroids could be accessible in prison, but they would be expensive. And remember plenty of guys are drinking 3 shakes per day without getting anywhere. Same with steroids: Iâve seen enough drug-using lifters who had yo-yo muscle gains depending on whether they were on or off their cycle.
Genetics? Thatâs the cop out everyone uses when nothing theyâre doing works when in fact theyâ??re using ineffective training methods OR simply not putting enough work in the gym. But nobody likes to hear that story.
Charles Bronson, author of âSolitary Fitnessâ, spent 34 years in prison (mostly in solitary confinement) and could do Push-ups with 2 men on his back and on a crappy diet. They made a movie about him in 2008 by the way â?? âBronsonâ - starring Tom Hardy (thatâ??s the guy from Inception and the upcoming Mad Max).
Training is the secret of prison guys. Watch the video again. Listen to what they say. These guys donâ??t drag themselves to the gym, itâ??s the only thing they have. Look at the atmosphere in the gym: their motivation is high. You wonâ??t stay skinny and weak if you train like them, whatever your diet is.
Prison guys arenâ??t the only group of people who get muscular using the worst diet ever.
Fucking awesome, Iâm back training in my garage the past 8mths with minumum equipment, and making the best gains Iâve had in 15yrs, no supps, no fancy equipment, no excuses, just daily heavy, basic fucking workouts, and shit ton of calories. When you strip it all down, thats where itâs at. Later
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Fucking awesome, Iâm back training in my garage the past 8mths with minumum equipment, and making the best gains Iâve had in 15yrs, no supps, no fancy equipment, no excuses, just daily heavy, basic fucking workouts, and shit ton of calories. When you strip it all down, thats where itâs at. Later
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Itâs more about the time you put in when it comes to reaching that level and past it. It is one reason I am not for these two or three day a week training routines. That usually isnât how you get that big and bigger.
People would rather assume every guy bigger is simply on steroidsâŚand not that they worked harder and longer for it.
Itâs the boatload of 18yr kids everyday weighing 170lbs wanting to get huge, and starting threads about what way to point theyâre pinky fingerâs when theyâre doing latterals, it boggleâs the fucking mind. This thing is so simple, EAT - LIFT - SLEEP, how the fuck can you screw that up, oh ya, by over complicating it.
Inmate training strips that all down to the basicâs, more people need to think about this. If they can build muscle, why canât that 18yr kid whoâs got his parents buying him all the latest supps, and heâs training in a world class gym, and after 3yrs heâs still squatting 275, and weighing 185, it makes no fucking sense. I think thats the point.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Itâs the boatload of 18yr kids everyday weighing 170lbs wanting to get huge, and starting threads about what way to point theyâre pinky fingerâs when theyâre doing latterals, it boggleâs the fucking mind. This thing is so simple, EAT - LIFT - SLEEP, how the fuck can you screw that up, oh ya, by over complicating it. Inmate training strips that all down to the basicâs, more people need to think about this. If they can build muscle, why canât that 18yr kid whoâs got his parents buying him all the latest supps, and heâs training in a world class gym, and after 3yrs heâs still squatting 275, and weighing 185, it makes no fucking sense. I think thats the point.[/quote]
I am assuming people like Brick donât want this discussed here.
He would rather people who think like that go to other forums.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Itâs the boatload of 18yr kids everyday weighing 170lbs wanting to get huge, and starting threads about what way to point theyâre pinky fingerâs when theyâre doing latterals, it boggleâs the fucking mind. This thing is so simple, EAT - LIFT - SLEEP, how the fuck can you screw that up, oh ya, by over complicating it. Inmate training strips that all down to the basicâs, more people need to think about this. If they can build muscle, why canât that 18yr kid whoâs got his parents buying him all the latest supps, and heâs training in a world class gym, and after 3yrs heâs still squatting 275, and weighing 185, it makes no fucking sense. I think thats the point.[/quote]
I am assuming people like Brick donât want this discussed here.
He would rather people who think like that go to other forums.[/quote]
Incorrect. Jake speaks of sound training methods and the correct, progressive mindset, which has nothing to do with implying his dissatisfaction for others on a forum. If I didnât share Jakeâs mindset, Iâd still be squatting 225 for 10.