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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

So why aren’t you 340 and contest ready? [/quote]

I’m using the wrong protein supplement?[/quote]

All out of geneticburgers?

Seriously though, you’re always leading the hard charge but always have a reason for not stepping up to the stage.

Why is something a reason for you but everyone else is just making excuses?
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You may want to make another thread for that.

Bodybuilding doesn’t pay unless you win a top spot.

I have a career. Most of those guys you see on stage on the pro level work as personal trainers or something minor on the side…and most only have a career of about 5 good years before they get passed over.

I would rather have the lifestyle I want along with the muscle. My goal was to be the best me I could be. Remember, I was that kid who everyone said wouldn’t ever be big.

I think I proved that wrong already.[/quote]

Right. A guy who is self employed in a highly paid profession with virtually complete control over his schedule and time management cant do it, but everybody else is just making excuses and Hatin’.

THEN it becomes an endeavor of self actualization.

Now I get it.
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QFT

Oh look, here’s a guy who’s a doctor (a real doctor) as well as a bodybuilder and powerlifter.

https://www.facebook.com/DrJoshHill

https://twitter.com/DrJoshHill

I guess it can be done.

People shouldn’t limit themselves by assuming they can’t be a competitive bodybuilder just because they have a career.[/quote]

Can’t forget Dr. Joe Klemczewski or Dr. Daniel Gwartney. Stan Efferding became wealthy from real estate. Dugdale runs a food business.

Our own Stu has a profession. Umm, nearly all WNBF pros have a profession or trade, otherwise they’d be eating out of cans on the street.

Ebomb is going to law school and he is a DAMN GOOD bodybuilder who will likely turn pro.

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This is an interesting thread (thanks for all the info Jake) so let’s please try to keep it on topic.

We don’t need to get into personal questions, accusations and attacks with ProfX.

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I really like Jake’s posts even though I don’t have the same outlook on everything he says. He is a realist stating the culture of the gym business. I don’t think he gladly lies to people or that he even wants to. Unfortunately, the nature of so many businesses in America are inherently deceptive. Even once in my job in healthcare, I once worked at a place where there was massive medicare and medicaid fraud.

Now, dietetics doesn’t bring in the dough for a nursing home–that’s medicine and physical therapy–but my documentation can affect billing in some cases, say the need for tube feeding, speech and swallowing evaluations, psych consultations, and so on, not to mention that the inconsistency in the whole healthcare teams documentation which can be audited by the Department of Health.

I was routinely put in situations–perhaps hundreds–in which I falsified information, lie to resident’s family members and prospective employees, urge the RD I managed to falsify, and so on. Not to mention the THOUSANDS of documents I signed that I knew nothing about or which I had to sign late (sometimes a YEAR late). I falsified things even when the DOH was in the building because I was pressured by a dozen or so people. And the ADMINISTRATOR was in on all this stuff.

We’re not even talking about bending rules to get rich, just someone trying to maintain a middle class job?

The alternative to not getting on board with everyone else? See the door!

I eventually left the place because my sanity and dietetics registration was on the line, but I was in no way quick to open my mouth or just simply leave without having another job lined up as an engaged 34 uyr old man.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I really like Jake’s posts even though I don’t have the same outlook on everything he says. He is a realist stating the culture of the gym business. I don’t think he gladly lies to people or that he even wants to. Unfortunately, the nature of so many businesses in America are inherently deceptive. Even once in my job in healthcare, I once worked at a place where there was massive medicare and medicaid fraud.

Now, dietetics doesn’t bring in the dough for a nursing home–that’s medicine and physical therapy–but my documentation can affect billing in some cases, say the need for tube feeding, speech and swallowing evaluations, psych consultations, and so on, not to mention that the inconsistency in the whole healthcare teams documentation which can be audited by the Department of Health.

I was routinely put in situations–perhaps hundreds–in which I falsified information, lie to resident’s family members and prospective employees, urge the RD I managed to falsify, and so on. Not to mention the THOUSANDS of documents I signed that I knew nothing about or which I had to sign late (sometimes a YEAR late). I falsified things even when the DOH was in the building because I was pressured by a dozen or so people. And the ADMINISTRATOR was in on all this stuff.

We’re not even talking about bending rules to get rich, just someone trying to maintain a middle class job?

The alternative to not getting on board with everyone else? See the door!

I eventually left the place because my sanity and dietetics registration was on the line, but I was in no way quick to open my mouth or just simply leave without having another job lined up as an engaged 34 uyr old man.
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Sounds like the fucking third reich lol. We could do nothing â?¦ we had to do like everyone else. Haha!

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I didn’t intend to make that personal AnytimeJake. I do appreciate your insights and observations on a lot of these subjects.

I definitely didn’t mean to cast aspersions about a business model where people voluntarily sign up then neglect their own agreement. One of my favorite sayings is “If you’re going to throw away money, Throw it my way!”.

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Well said Brick, whatever I do now that makes me such a bad guy haha, it’s a million times better than who I used to be. I spent my life up until the age of 32, only coming out at night, violance, drugs, and evil, nobody leaves that life, unless they’re dead, or doing a life bit.

I met a young girl from a small in the middle of now where, and I jumped bro, I left my city, my crew, my whole twisted life behind. I worked my ass off, borrowed, begged, and took advantage of grants, and managed to open the only gym here in Mayberry. I kiss the ground every day when I wake up, because every day I live now, no matter what happen’s it’s a gift. I have a beautiful wife, half my age, a 6yr daughter who worships me, own my own house, and my own gym, and I’ve done it all legal over the last 6yrs. I run the NA meeting in town, I help kids get sober, and get in shape every day.

Not trying to be personal, but this is about inmates lifting, and lifting played a huge role for me. When I jumped to a new town, I had a grade 8 education, couple welding tickets, and a couple training tickets, and a bachlor’s degree in violance. Without lifting, without the gym. Not to get heavy, but those are life lessons - paitance, work ethic, persiverance, all them big words I can’t spell. Anyway this is what I have to share with these kids, they come into the gym thinking they’re little gangster’s haha. I spend some time with them, I’ve taken that raod to the end, and I can usually get through to them. Anyway I don’t want to get to deep, I’ve had some fun the last couple of posts, but it’s all about gradituide for me, and I’m gratefull for every day I have now, for everything, being able to workout hard, being able to fuck around with people on the internet :slight_smile: Life is good, thanks for the soap box

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Well said Brick, whatever I do now that makes me such a bad guy haha, it’s a million times better than who I used to be. I spent my life up until the age of 32, only coming out at night, violance, drugs, and evil, nobody leaves that life, unless they’re dead, or doing a life bit.

I met a young girl from a small in the middle of now where, and I jumped bro, I left my city, my crew, my whole twisted life behind. I worked my ass off, borrowed, begged, and took advantage of grants, and managed to open the only gym here in Mayberry. I kiss the ground every day when I wake up, because every day I live now, no matter what happen’s it’s a gift. I have a beautiful wife, half my age, a 6yr daughter who worships me, own my own house, and my own gym, and I’ve done it all legal over the last 6yrs. I run the NA meeting in town, I help kids get sober, and get in shape every day.

Not trying to be personal, but this is about inmates lifting, and lifting played a huge role for me. When I jumped to a new town, I had a grade 8 education, couple welding tickets, and a couple training tickets, and a bachlor’s degree in violance. Without lifting, without the gym. Not to get heavy, but those are life lessons - paitance, work ethic, persiverance, all them big words I can’t spell. Anyway this is what I have to share with these kids, they come into the gym thinking they’re little gangster’s haha. I spend some time with them, I’ve taken that raod to the end, and I can usually get through to them. Anyway I don’t want to get to deep, I’ve had some fun the last couple of posts, but it’s all about gradituide for me, and I’m gratefull for every day I have now, for everything, being able to workout hard, being able to fuck around with people on the internet :slight_smile: Life is good, thanks for the soap box

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That’s good stuff man, congrats on your success.

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[quote]Pj92x wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I really like Jake’s posts even though I don’t have the same outlook on everything he says. He is a realist stating the culture of the gym business. I don’t think he gladly lies to people or that he even wants to. Unfortunately, the nature of so many businesses in America are inherently deceptive. Even once in my job in healthcare, I once worked at a place where there was massive medicare and medicaid fraud.

Now, dietetics doesn’t bring in the dough for a nursing home–that’s medicine and physical therapy–but my documentation can affect billing in some cases, say the need for tube feeding, speech and swallowing evaluations, psych consultations, and so on, not to mention that the inconsistency in the whole healthcare teams documentation which can be audited by the Department of Health.

I was routinely put in situations–perhaps hundreds–in which I falsified information, lie to resident’s family members and prospective employees, urge the RD I managed to falsify, and so on. Not to mention the THOUSANDS of documents I signed that I knew nothing about or which I had to sign late (sometimes a YEAR late). I falsified things even when the DOH was in the building because I was pressured by a dozen or so people. And the ADMINISTRATOR was in on all this stuff.

We’re not even talking about bending rules to get rich, just someone trying to maintain a middle class job?

The alternative to not getting on board with everyone else? See the door!

I eventually left the place because my sanity and dietetics registration was on the line, but I was in no way quick to open my mouth or just simply leave without having another job lined up as an engaged 34 uyr old man.
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Sounds like the fucking third reich lol. We could do nothing �?�¢?�?�¦ we had to do like everyone else. Haha![/quote]

Great comparison.

Good thing I edited my response to you in the other forum; my intuition of you being quarrelsome serves me right. Too bad because you are intelligent and I would like peaceful convo with you.

Did you miss the part where I stated I KNEW I HAD TO LEAVE and did so, because I know what I was doing was wrong. The alternative was to quit with no backup plan, with expenses and a fiance, and wedding planning coming up. That would have been far easier to do at 25 or younger; not so now.

Love me some good old Third Reich and SS MYTHS and misunderstandings though. My favorites: Hitler was really a closet homosexual because he drank his cup or glass with an outstretched pinky and that he chewed the edge of his carpet when he got pissed off. LMAO! :slight_smile:

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Welcome, Jake.

I don’t encourage lying, but as I said, being that the overall social and economic scene into which America has somehow transformed, it is pretty much a necessity to do so and bite one’s tongue. I wouldn’t doubt that any adult working a dozen or more years (pretty much anyone in their early 30’s or late 20’s), hasn’t been pressure to do or hasn’t witnessed something deceptive. And how many of them have a family business or trust fund they can fall back on if they simply say, “Hey guys, I am not dealing with this corrupt crap anymore,” and then promptly storm out of their places of work? Almost no one.

And it’s not Jake’s fault that most Americans are physically lazy and impatient and don’t want to get their hands dirty and experience discomfort for an end gain or goal. So let’s say he or anyone else wants to open a gym where everyone is gunning it; plates are rattling; big, scary, and temperamental men are barking and bellowing and slapping one another; stones and barbells are slammed to the ground; and all sorts wacked-out looking equipment is used. How many members from the public at large can one get? Maybe a few dozen… compared to HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS of members. And then to think that someone is going to convince all these people that being in pain and grimacing and huffing and puffing and constant food prep and consumption are inherent in the process of getting jacked. Not happening. Even if some intelligent people did accept that’s what happens and is necessary when you lift seriously, most would just simply choose not to do so.

This reminds me of dietitians, nutritionists, and trainers saying stuff like, “I only want to coach athletes and hardcore lifters.” Great, take that approach in the beginning and you’ll have 0 to 2 clients, nevermind that to get things going and to down the road have the funds to invest back into a business, one has to “eat s—” sometimes.

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It’s an interesting topic.

I work in a maximum security prison and these guys get essentially everything and anything brought in through creativity. Drugs, Steroids…ect.

Now most of the guys who do get their hands on them I don’t think do an entire cycle, have enough for an entire cycle, or to be honest know how to properly cycle.

But when you have essentially 24 hours a day with no responsibility, and can just workout, eat when you want (if you can afford canteen), and sleep a shit load, some of the gains these guys make are pretty impressive considering the lack of equipment they have at their disposal. The facility I work at does have weight machines, but no free weights (I am in Canada). Every unit has a pull-up bar and a dip bar anchored into the wall as well.

Just from my observation they train outside of what we believe to be a “structured, strategic, and effective” routine, but fact of the matter is what they do works.

Also the guys who come in who are drug users on the street, don’t really have access to food, and live an overall hard life style; when they come into prison make STAGGERING gains even with the minimal nutrition available through the correctional centre diet.

It is like their body becomes hyper sensitive to anything remotely healthy at that point, coming in at a 145lb skeleton, and getting to 200+ lbs in a month or two. Would be very interesting to see a study done on this to see whats actually going on.

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[quote]Klein709 wrote:

It is like their body becomes hyper sensitive to anything remotely healthy at that point, coming in at a 145lb skeleton, and getting to 200+ lbs in a month or two. Would be very interesting to see a study done on this to see whats actually going on. [/quote]

It’s the case of malnourished people finally getting the appropriate calories and protein to achieve a NORMAL bodyweight and then add to that even more nutrition and lifting and sleeping.

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Thats my story exactly Brick, My dream was/is to own a athletic’s PLing type gym, but the 5000sqft place I lease right now is 6500$ a month just for rent alone, not to mention half a million in equipment payments, ya can’t pay bill’s with a couple dozen monster’s throwing weights around. So your stuck building what people want, and what will be profitable, than put the real stuff in the back.

This ateast is one better than most franchise gyms, that don’t have a weight pit in the back. Anyway I have a thread somwhere about how to open your own comercial gym, so I don’t need to turn this into that, but lets just say, it’s not at all what people imagine. I get people every day telling me how I should be running my gym, haha It’s one of those buisness where you really have no clue how it works till your in it.

The majority of my money come from member’s that don’t ever show up, who knew, 600 member’s, and mabey 100 that come regular, so you focus on them, and strange enough, they’re usually the ones that want the rusty stuff in the back, and the people that don’t ever come, sign up for all the shiney stuff up front. It seems like a scam, but it is what it is :slight_smile:

Like anything I guess, I wouldn’t pretend to know how the medical buisness works, but everyone and they’re brother thinks they know how to run a sucessfull gym. Funny stuff, we all got bills to pay, morgages, kids to feed, young wives to go shopping, haha, so at the end of the day it has to be profitable, and stay open, so us real lifter’s have a place to go. Got to go make dinner, thanks for the suport, Latter

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You know, for a lot of inmates, it’s probably the first time they’ve had 3 meals a day, 7 days a week, and adequate/structured rest. I bet that plays a role.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Klein709 wrote:

It is like their body becomes hyper sensitive to anything remotely healthy at that point, coming in at a 145lb skeleton, and getting to 200+ lbs in a month or two. Would be very interesting to see a study done on this to see whats actually going on. [/quote]

It’s the case of malnourished people finally getting the appropriate calories and protein to achieve a NORMAL bodyweight and then add to that even more nutrition and lifting and sleeping. [/quote]

It’s just speculation, but I’ve seen this a good bit too when people get clean and start living decently.

It’s like their liver and pancreas can start doing what they were meant to instead of what they had to do once they lose that yellowish tint.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Klein709 wrote:

It is like their body becomes hyper sensitive to anything remotely healthy at that point, coming in at a 145lb skeleton, and getting to 200+ lbs in a month or two. Would be very interesting to see a study done on this to see whats actually going on. [/quote]

It’s the case of malnourished people finally getting the appropriate calories and protein to achieve a NORMAL bodyweight and then add to that even more nutrition and lifting and sleeping. [/quote]

It’s just speculation, but I’ve seen this a good bit too when people get clean and start living decently.

It’s like their liver and pancreas can start doing what they were meant to instead of what they had to do once they lose that yellowish tint.
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That too, I believe.

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It’s so cool you’re back into this hobby skyzyks.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Welcome, Jake.

I don’t encourage lying, but as I said, being that the overall social and economic scene into which America has somehow transformed, it is pretty much a necessity to do so and bite one’s tongue. I wouldn’t doubt that any adult working a dozen or more years (pretty much anyone in their early 30’s or late 20’s), hasn’t been pressure to do or hasn’t witnessed something deceptive. And how many of them have a family business or trust fund they can fall back on if they simply say, “Hey guys, I am not dealing with this corrupt crap anymore,” and then promptly storm out of their places of work? Almost no one.

And it’s not Jake’s fault that most Americans are physically lazy and impatient and don’t want to get their hands dirty and experience discomfort for an end gain or goal. So let’s say he or anyone else wants to open a gym where everyone is gunning it; plates are rattling; big, scary, and temperamental men are barking and bellowing and slapping one another; stones and barbells are slammed to the ground; and all sorts wacked-out looking equipment is used. How many members from the public at large can one get? Maybe a few dozen… compared to HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS of members. And then to think that someone is going to convince all these people that being in pain and grimacing and huffing and puffing and constant food prep and consumption are inherent in the process of getting jacked. Not happening. Even if some intelligent people did accept that’s what happens and is necessary when you lift seriously, most would just simply choose not to do so.

This reminds me of dietitians, nutritionists, and trainers saying stuff like, “I only want to coach athletes and hardcore lifters.” Great, take that approach in the beginning and you’ll have 0 to 2 clients, nevermind that to get things going and to down the road have the funds to invest back into a business, one has to “eat s—” sometimes. [/quote]

Dude I was sympathising with your situation and the coerced type of complicity workers face in those settings. Not berating you.

Also I don’t know what your initial response was int he other thread as you edited it away pretty quickly. I am sure it was angry or dismissive of my thesis, but I would like to know why.

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I truly apologize then. I didn’t know where you were coming from.

I was not at all angry with your thesis. I agreed with much of it. I just thought the way I wrote it would ruffle some feather or be taken the wrong way. I can show you the response.

Again, I apologize. I think you’re smart and I like talking to you.

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Sounds like you two would make great cell-mate’s :slight_smile:

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Thanks Jake. :slight_smile:

I love your posts man. They get me very motivated to work hard and get to the gym.