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One thing I can’t relate to, however, is the dislike of other peoples’ aims to reach only a certain level, even if it’s only 275 for reps after years of lifting. Say some guy wants to go to a gym and has no intention of reaching a hugely appreciable level of strength or size. That’s his prerogative and getting to a gym is healthy in itself. Actually the intensity and amount and dedication necessary for optimal health differs drastically than that required for performance increases over the long term, like night and day. If some guy wants to squat 225 for 20 years, I don’t see why that’s any of my business.

People have different aims in life. Most men can’t bench or squat 185 to 225 for reps. Their life, so long as they don’t indulge themselves to the point of disease and obesity and everyone else is responsible for taking care of them down the road because of their neglect.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Incorrect. Jake speaks of sound training methods and the correct, progressive mindset, which has nothing to do with implying his dissatisfaction for others on a forum. If I didn’t share Jake’s mindset, I’d still be squatting 225 for 10.
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LOL. He wrote this: "It’s the boatload of 18yr kids everyday weighing 170lbs wanting to get huge, and starting threads about what way to point they’re pinky finger’s when they’re doing latterals, "

That is about dissatisfaction with those posters here.

You simply choose to not follow him around with off topic nonsense.

Hypocrisy.

Stay on topic or stop trolling my threads.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
There aren’t that many people here the size of these guys when this site should be filled with it.

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Where are the jacked white guys? Serious question.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

Where are the jacked white guys? Serious question.[/quote]

Don’t know, but I do know I see a lot of guys like in this video in my old neighborhood.

Apparently people still think steroids did it.

It comes down to genetics and time spent training hard.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
There aren’t that many people here the size of these guys when this site should be filled with it.

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Where are the jacked white guys? Serious question.[/quote]

The person who made the video did not include white inmates. So the white inmates are in prisons but not featured in the video.

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[quote]infinite_shore wrote:
This thread really opened my eyes to what natties can actually achieve. I’m now a believer that there are no limits with the right mental attitude and environment.[/quote]

Uh. Yeah, there is no reason for a lifter to look at what pro bodybuilders do and look like and apply those same methods to their own training and not have full confidence that they are on the right path. It’s mind blowing to me how these images of inmates and the physique they have built behind bars sheds new light on what the human body is able to achieve with the right dedication and work ethic. Anyone who feels that there is a limit on natural muscle building potential needs to come to this thread and have their mind blown. Only weak minded people would have anything negative to say about pro level size bodybuilders and the fact they claim to be natural. It’s so obvious that it is possible by the evidence in these pics that there is no limit to how big you can get except for what you place in your own head, oh and genetics can’t forget genetics. Life changing I tell you…Life Changing

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haha, Anyway I agree totaly Brick, in that if your goals aren’t to be huge, lots can be gained from squatting, and say working on reps vrs weight, LoRez from above post being a great example, kid works real hard, but with no aspirations of being super huge, or super strong, just better at his goals. The people I refer to, are the kids that dream of huge gains, then completely sabatoge themselves by over complcating evrey little aspect of progressive resistance, and progressive eatting.

To me these are so simple, and the handful of kids I work with each year, can do extrordinary things, far outside even what those who juice acomplish. This is reached just by spending 2-3yrs on getting stronger, on only a handful of exercises ‘’ Inmate lifting’’ When I bring this up on forms around here, it gets laughed at is to simple. Like the kids that train for 3mths, and have all of a sudden out grown 5x5 or starting strength training. Makes me laugh, because after 20yrs of lifting I still haven’t out grown such programs.

These are my thoughts on the subject by the way, and I have no intention of getting involved, or taking sides, on whatever is going on with you an X, I just think most guys would do far better to strip they’re training down, to a handful of exercises, and focus on progressive resistance, above all else. 2cents

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This thread reminds me of a post HeavyThrower made years ago on here about simple workouts and working hard.

[b]try this sometime and tell me how it works.

monday: A1 front-squat atg 5x5
A2 dips 5x5 add weight if needed

wed: A1 power-clean 5x5
A2 bench press 5x5

friday: A1 conventional deadlifts 5x5
A2 military/push press 5x5

the first 1-2 sets of 5 should be warmups, the 3 should be moderate, the 4th challenging, the 5th and all out effort, if you can complete all five reps on this set you need to up the load. for example, the way I would do the power cleans would be thus: bar x a lot, 135x3, 185x5, 205x5, 225x5, 245x5. i can clean around 300lbs for a single. the next week i might go like 135x5, 185x5, 225x5, 235x5, 255x3-4. get it?

this workout will work, if you eat and sleep enough, it will put slabs of muscle on you. its pretty low volume so it leaves something in the bank if you want to do some gpp or HIIT training or play some recreational sports from time to time.

it WILL work, but you will NOT do it, it is is too simple, and to really work it would require you to bust your fucking ass. simple and hard, this is something 90% of recreational lifters out there cannot do.

no need for additional core work if doing all this RAW, oh, and if you ask where you can fit in some bicep work and rear delt and hamstring stuff i WILL slit my own throat and mail a picture of the bloody aftermath to Professor X.
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Yes indeed I say !

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
There aren’t that many people here the size of these guys when this site should be filled with it.

video
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Where are the jacked white guys? Serious question.[/quote]

The person who made the video did not include white inmates. So the white inmates are in prisons but not featured in the video. [/quote]

I just find it odd that in the videos and photos in this thread, most are non-white. Whereas a significant portion of the people on this site are white. It just seems a bit of a stretch to make some of these comparisons.

Not to discount the validity of anything else said in this thread with respect to training, intensity, consistency, psychology, steroid use/non-use, etc. I’m just suggesting that the results in one’s physique seems to have a significant genetics/race component.

From what I’ve seen – and I could be completely wrong – for two people of comparable strength, a black guy will simply have a better looking physique than a white guy.

I just haven’t seen many examples where “inmate fitness” with the same diet and training has produced white men with good looking physiques. Strong, sure. Aesthetic, not really.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
There aren’t that many people here the size of these guys when this site should be filled with it.

video
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Where are the jacked white guys? Serious question.[/quote]

The person who made the video did not include white inmates. So the white inmates are in prisons but not featured in the video. [/quote]

I just find it odd that in the videos and photos in this thread, most are non-white. Whereas a significant portion of the people on this site are white. It just seems a bit of a stretch to make some of these comparisons.

Not to discount the validity of anything else said in this thread with respect to training, intensity, consistency, psychology, steroid use/non-use, etc. I’m just suggesting that the results in one’s physique seems to have a significant genetics/race component.

From what I’ve seen – and I could be completely wrong – for two people of comparable strength, a black guy will simply have a better looking physique than a white guy.

I just haven’t seen many examples where “inmate fitness” with the same diet and training has produced white men with good looking physiques. Strong, sure. Aesthetic, not really.[/quote]

What you’re speaking of is purely subjective and an admiration for the aesthetics of a heavily muscled black man. And yes, perhaps they do have a predisposition for the bodybuilder look, a waspy waist and a harder appearance. There are skeletal differences between whites and blacks, one of many of the several hundred genetic differences between blacks and whites, despite all the “we are all the same” we hear daily today. The evolutionary process left white men with thicker midsections and shorter limbs and thinner skulls than blacks generally.

Also, the populations of American prisons are largely non-white, so the pool of white inmates to look at is much smaller. So you shouldn’t find it odd that there is a dearth of white men in prison films.

Also, and this is completely subjective as well, and I am not speaking of your thoughts or preferences or observations here, is that it is not as trendy to portray white men as imposing and menacing anymore in all forms of entertainment.

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
haha, Anyway I agree totaly Brick, in that if your goals aren’t to be huge, lots can be gained from squatting, and say working on reps vrs weight, LoRez from above post being a great example, kid works real hard, but with no aspirations of being super huge, or super strong, just better at his goals. The people I refer to, are the kids that dream of huge gains, then completely sabatoge themselves by over complcating evrey little aspect of progressive resistance, and progressive eatting. To me these are so simple, and the handful of kids I work with each year, can do extrordinary things, far outside even what those who juice acomplish. This is reached just by spending 2-3yrs on getting stronger, on only a handful of exercises ‘’ Inmate lifting’’ When I bring this up on forms around here, it gets laughed at is to simple. Like the kids that train for 3mths, and have all of a sudden out grown 5x5 or starting strength training. Makes me laugh, because after 20yrs of lifting I still haven’t out grown such programs.

These are my thoughts on the subject by the way, and I have no intention of getting involved, or taking sides, on whatever is going on with you an X, I just think most guys would do far better to strip they’re training down, to a handful of exercises, and focus on progressive resistance, above all else. 2cents[/quote]

While I don’t necessarily have anything specific against your advice from what I have read so far, you come across as pretty “loud” for someone with rather low strength numbers.

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Intentionally neglecting several races here… but I do find it a bit odd to make a statement that says, in part “how come the white guys on this site who have access to better equipment and supplementation don’t look like these black and latino guys coming out of prison who don’t have access to that stuff?”

I would actually like to see the result of such prison training and fitness on white males so that I could have a better frame of reference.

I’ve seen a few photos from Russian prisons, but not much for the results on those of a white western European background.

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Jake: I agree! I am helping out a friend of mine, 34 years old and out of lifting for a long time. Never did squats or deadlifting or any serious back and leg work in the past at all (except for some lat pulldowns and machine rows). Typical guido, 90’s to early 2000’s Hamptons-NYC nightlife trainer: strong benching, big arms, some shoulders, ZERO athleticism and no conditioning and not much else going on with the body at all.

I put him on Starting Strength and he is happy with the results in just one month! Every time he tells me something like, “I like it, but what about…” I stop him right in his tracks and say, "Do not… repeat: DO NOT… add anything else except the weight on the bar until you can squat and deadlift a minimum of 315 for 5 reps (his bench is naturally good and he never did standing overhead press in the past, only seated military).

God I wish I could take back wasted time.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:
Intentionally neglecting several races here… but I do find it a bit odd to make a statement that says, in part “how come the white guys on this site who have access to better equipment and supplementation don’t look like these black and latino guys coming out of prison who don’t have access to that stuff?” [/quote]

This is a fitness site amongst many others, most of which have MANY jacked and ripped white men and TONS OF TRAFFIC, so much traffic that original posts shift down a page every half hour to an hour or so! I love T-mag and all, but it is not the be-all-end-all of the fitness population.

Perhaps the white guys that just so happen to visit T-mag are less serious about this stuff and perhaps coincidentally the men on this site are generally less gifted genetically than men on other sites. This could very well be so considering on other sites there are tons of competitors (some pros), many of which wouldn’t want to hear all day about how they’re not trying hard enough and that folks in prison are more jacked than they.

Better equipment doesn’t necessarily make a better physique. If we mean better equipment as in better bars, squat racks, and benches, than perhaps we should see some more developed bodies. If better means shinier stuff and HS machines, then that has nothing to do with degree of development as those things aren’t needed to get a great physique; maybe they can lend to getting a more polished, BB-esque physique, but no one needs more than the basics to look great.

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I would actually like to see the result of such prison training and fitness on white males so that I could have a better frame of reference. [/quote]

I imagine prison training and fitness to be the same as free people’s fitness and training: lifting and cardio and eating.

There can also be a social spin to this as well. MOST white men these days do not give a rat’s ass about building big muscles! Keeping fit, yeah sure many do this, but they really do not care about getting jacked.

I also think a prison sample is a biased sample in itself amongst black people and MAYBE, POSSIBLY, a convenient way to portray blacks as having a natural inclination to build more muscle than whites, when it is not a representation of blacks as a whole considering those locked up are more inclined to lift while others on the outside are not.

I work and have worked with many or mostly blacks (workers and residents and patients) and have worked in towns where I am the only fair-skinned person in sight for miles. Jacked and ripped people were and are in the minority, just as they are in white neighborhoods.

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I’ve seen a few photos from Russian prisons, but not much for the results on those of a white western European background.[/quote]

The only documentaries I’ve seen featuring mostly white inmates are those depicting white prison gangs.

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Obviously drugs play a huge role, but going back over Mr O competitions will give you a good variance of races from white to black to even Arab ( lack of a better word) with no race dominating over another to any great degree. I think this thinking just leads to more justifications – ‘’ I’m white I can’t ever look like that’’ We need less of these, not more.

This aside, and not to center anyone out, more than I already have. I spent several months following Lorez, and think mabey more than anyone else I’ve worked with, or tried to help over the years he can fall back on genetic’s as a true excuse, atleast for gaining size, but I think to many people use this and other excuses way to frequently, before they’ve given enough effort and time.

It does seem that being black gives you an advantage in BBing, but competition results don’t suport this, and mabey they’re just less prone to excuses, comming from rough up bringing’s – there’s a broad generalization :slight_smile:

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Obviously drugs play a huge role, but going back over Mr O competitions will give you a good variance of races from white to black to even Arab ( lack of a better word) with no race dominating over another to any great degree. I think this thinking just leads to more justifications – ‘’ I’m white I can’t ever look like that’’ We need less of these, not more. [/quote]

Yeah, that wasn’t quite the direction I meant. Maybe just “I’m white, and I probably won’t look like that after I get out of prison”. But not even really that.

My comment was really just in response to the “how come you don’t look like this?” generalization. It just struck me as odd.

Going back 4 generations on one side and 3 generations on the other (which is as far as I’ve seen photos for), my family has always been tall and thin.

So maybe I’m predisposed that way, but that doesn’t make it an excuse. I think it’s due to undereating and a fast metabolism (i.e., still undereating.)

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Inmate from Croatian prison

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I was giving you an out, should have took it :slight_smile: I don’t let many people away with excuses