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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
Im not saying juicing matters but how can you believe in someones advice if he lies about things? Wheres the credibility at . Arnold never lie . I havent heard Jay Cutler or Phil lie either and thats why they aren’t getting the shit that Kali getting.

Really have you heard of some of this guy’s advice lol? So much bullshit. Against creatine as well.

but whatever. i guess im just hating lol[/quote]

Yeah, you are…and you sound like the rest of gen-youtube. You are more concerned with things many of us would have considered pure gossip when we started lifting.

As a newb, I ran up to a guy who had competed in NPC contests regularly and asked how long he had been training.

He said, “6 years” as he stood there at 260lbs with veins showing everywhere. I lost my mind thinking he had really done all of that in only 6 years.

Then I kept lifting…and got bigger…and got to the point that people would randomly ask me questions about training all day.

My answers have ranged from; “I don’t train at all…genetics”…to …“only on Jewish Holidays”.

I became friends with that competitor later and learned how he had really trained.

I guess my point is, grow up a little. No one owes you a biography with lie detector results.[/quote]

When you make a channel trying to help others what good are you doing when you’re bullshiting half of the shit you say. There’s a difference between that NPC guy . You were probably being an annoyance to the guy when you asked him where as this guy goes out of his way to make videos to spew out bullshit.

LOL I think one time he recommended 4000 plus calories and that it didnt matter where it came from for a newbie? that’s doing more harm than good .

You are the one to talk though about drama. You bring none of that to this forum .

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I watched a Kali video a couple of years ago where he’s walking down the train tracks, talking about how he built all his muscle using a towel, or what not. I thought he was an idiot, so I haven’t watched another one of his vids since. I see his vids all over you tube, but I don’t click on them, because I don’t like his speil.

CT Fletcther, on the orther hand, I get a kick out of his vids, similar speil, but I like his vids for some reason, so I think I’ve watched them all. He motivates me to work harder in the gym, somtimes I watch his vids right before I go to work out. Is he a liar, is kali a liar, I don’t know, they’re a couple of guys that have found a way to make a living doing what they love. they both created a fictional character to make money, and you call them liar’s. They could be out robbing people, or selling drugs, then you’d call them crimminals.

I guess by the way you judge people I’m a liar, 5yrs ago I opened up a shiney, glitzy, franchise gym, the kinds of place I would never step foot in. People come in, and I give them circuit programs, where they bounce around from one shiney machine to another. I know they’ll never see any results from it, but I tell them it’s just what I did to build my body. They don’t want to here that I slaved away for years on basic barbells, and that I like long low test cycle’s, so I guess I’m a liar. They’ll stop comming after a month anyway, and I’ll keep billing them 40$ a month for the next 5yrs. Such is life, I train in my garage, but I love owning a gym.

Life isn’t fair, in case you haven’t heard. The wolrd revolves on money, and we all got to make it. Being able to make a living from what you love, thats the dream, some people get there, and some don’t. I figire there’s two kinds of people in this world. The one’s that do shit, and the one’s that talk shit. This applys to all aspects of life, from working out, to buisness, to relationships, to whatever. You either get up and get it done, and do what you have to to get there, or you don’t, and generaly these people hold resentment to the ones that accomplish things, so it seems.

Anyway I have clients to train, and you probably have a dead end job to go to, so Latter

You may find this rude, but you should find it fucking motivating, because thats the point, if you have so much to say, then start your own You Tube channel. Stop hating, and start creating, it’s that easy, you just have to do it, but sitting around bitching won’t get you there
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Gotcha. Its alright to make your money in a legal but dishonest way . I understand.

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[quote]DazeDolo wrote:
When you make a channel trying to help others what good are you doing when you’re bullshiting half of the shit you say. There’s a difference between that NPC guy . You were probably being an annoyance to the guy when you asked him where as this guy goes out of his way to make videos to spew out bullshit.

LOL I think one time he recommended 4000 plus calories and that it didnt matter where it came from for a newbie? that’s doing more harm than good .

You are the one to talk though about drama. You bring none of that to this forum . [/quote]

Just a heads up…but anyone with a chance in hell of having genetics to get that big…will probably need that 4,000cals a few times to do it.

I really think this comes down to guys with lesser genetics getting pissed because of what they can’t do.

If it isn’t, then please explain how you don’t understand that about BIG calories and BIG muscles.

They sort of go together.

I know I sure as hell have eaten more than that at times.

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[quote]DazeDolo wrote:

Gotcha. Its alright to make your money in a legal but dishonest way . I understand. [/quote]

NO offense, but unless he is offering a service and lying about that service, he isn’t any more dishonest than an actor in a movie.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I was approached a few years ago by an NPC judge that I know casually. He was encouraging me to start competing at a different weight class. I told him very simply that I don’t have any inclination to do what is required to compete in bodybuilding. There really isn’t nor has there ever been room to undertake such a thing.
[/quote]

Living where I do, I’ve trained at Bev Francis’s gym in Syosset on many occasions over the years. For those who don’t know, this is unofficially called the “East Coast Mecca”, as it’s filled on a daily basis with IFBB Pros, National level NPC competitors, Photographers from various muscle mags, and is run by Bev (Former Ms International and should have been Ms Olympia IMO) and her husband Steve (Top IFBB Official, Judge, Promoter, Powerlifter…) Anyway, it’s a damn inspiring place to be, very well equipped, and lots of people who truly know what the deal is in terms of every aspect of the sport.

A couple of years ago, I was in there the week after winning a contest. I had filled out a good amount from enjoying myself a bit, but was still damn tight, with veins running everywhere. As I was hanging around the front desk waiting for a friend, one of the gym employees asked if I competed. Feeling all proud, I told him I had won 2 Pro Cards in different Natural Feds (even mentioning the WNBF because I figured everyone knows that one -lol). The guy didn’t bat an eyelash, and just replied “You should get on some stuff and do a real contest”.

S

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You won’t meet a rich guy that hasn’t bent some rule’s, that the reality we live in.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

So why aren’t you 340 and contest ready? [/quote]

I’m using the wrong protein supplement?[/quote]

All out of geneticburgers?

Seriously though, you’re always leading the hard charge but always have a reason for not stepping up to the stage.

Why is something a reason for you but everyone else is just making excuses?

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I was approached a few years ago by an NPC judge that I know casually. He was encouraging me to start competing at a different weight class. I told him very simply that I don’t have any inclination to do what is required to compete in bodybuilding. There really isn’t nor has there ever been room to undertake such a thing.
[/quote]

Living where I do, I’ve trained at Bev Francis’s gym in Syosset on many occasions over the years. For those who don’t know, this is unofficially called the “East Coast Mecca”, as it’s filled on a daily basis with IFBB Pros, National level NPC competitors, Photographers from various muscle mags, and is run by Bev (Former Ms International and should have been Ms Olympia IMO) and her husband Steve (Top IFBB Official, Judge, Promoter, Powerlifter…) Anyway, it’s a damn inspiring place to be, very well equipped, and lots of people who truly know what the deal is in terms of every aspect of the sport.

A couple of years ago, I was in there the week after winning a contest. I had filled out a good amount from enjoying myself a bit, but was still damn tight, with veins running everywhere. As I was hanging around the front desk waiting for a friend, one of the gym employees asked if I competed. Feeling all proud, I told him I had won 2 Pro Cards in different Natural Feds (even mentioning the WNBF because I figured everyone knows that one -lol). The guy didn’t bat an eyelash, and just replied “You should get on some stuff and do a real contest”.

S[/quote]

That gym must be filled with some FREAKS then lol.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

So why aren’t you 340 and contest ready? [/quote]

I’m using the wrong protein supplement?[/quote]

All out of geneticburgers?

Seriously though, you’re always leading the hard charge but always have a reason for not stepping up to the stage.

Why is something a reason for you but everyone else is just making excuses?
[/quote]

You may want to make another thread for that.

Bodybuilding doesn’t pay unless you win a top spot.

I have a career. Most of those guys you see on stage on the pro level work as personal trainers or something minor on the side…and most only have a career of about 5 good years before they get passed over.

I would rather have the lifestyle I want along with the muscle. My goal was to be the best me I could be. Remember, I was that kid who everyone said wouldn’t ever be big.

I think I proved that wrong already.

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I watched a Kali video a couple of years ago where he’s walking down the train tracks, talking about how he built all his muscle using a towel, or what not. I thought he was an idiot, so I haven’t watched another one of his vids since. I see his vids all over you tube, but I don’t click on them, because I don’t like his speil.

CT Fletcther, on the orther hand, I get a kick out of his vids, similar speil, but I like his vids for some reason, so I think I’ve watched them all. He motivates me to work harder in the gym, somtimes I watch his vids right before I go to work out. Is he a liar, is kali a liar, I don’t know, they’re a couple of guys that have found a way to make a living doing what they love. they both created a fictional character to make money, and you call them liar’s. They could be out robbing people, or selling drugs, then you’d call them crimminals.

I guess by the way you judge people I’m a liar, 5yrs ago I opened up a shiney, glitzy, franchise gym, the kinds of place I would never step foot in. People come in, and I give them circuit programs, where they bounce around from one shiney machine to another. I know they’ll never see any results from it, but I tell them it’s just what I did to build my body. They don’t want to here that I slaved away for years on basic barbells, and that I like long low test cycle’s, so I guess I’m a liar. They’ll stop comming after a month anyway, and I’ll keep billing them 40$ a month for the next 5yrs. Such is life, I train in my garage, but I love owning a gym.

Life isn’t fair, in case you haven’t heard. The wolrd revolves on money, and we all got to make it. Being able to make a living from what you love, thats the dream, some people get there, and some don’t. I figire there’s two kinds of people in this world. The one’s that do shit, and the one’s that talk shit. This applys to all aspects of life, from working out, to buisness, to relationships, to whatever. You either get up and get it done, and do what you have to to get there, or you don’t, and generaly these people hold resentment to the ones that accomplish things, so it seems.

Anyway I have clients to train, and you probably have a dead end job to go to, so Latter

You may find this rude, but you should find it fucking motivating, because thats the point, if you have so much to say, then start your own You Tube channel. Stop hating, and start creating, it’s that easy, you just have to do it, but sitting around bitching won’t get you there
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How do you value yourself when you purposely mislead people whose money keeps your business afloat?

And the whole they don’t want to hear the truth thing is nonsense. Go to any crappy commercial gym and there are tonnes of people trying to do squats and deadlifts and lining up at the squat rack to do their wendler squat day.

I mean its your choice to have integrity or not but out right lying to some young kid and taking his hard earned money and telling him you got big doing pec decs and abductor machine circuits puts you in rarified asshole atmosphere.

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
You won’t meet a rich guy that hasn’t bent some rule’s, that the reality we live in.[/quote]

Absolutely, and I for one applaud guys like you that start that kind of gym. Now because guys like you can afford to keep that gym open, I have somewhere to lift. On top of that I love the people that pay their dues and never show up as well, because that means the squat rack is always open.

Even if you are bs’ing them by giving them circuit routines or whatever you’re still doing them the favor of showing them how to have a routine and stick to it. It’s not yours, mine, or anybody but that individual’s problem if they aren’t interested enough to do research and find somewhere like this site to really learn the ropes of what will get them where they really want to be. At some point people have to take responsibility for vetting their own information out and put in the work to make progress. 'Roids or no roids isn’t the question, the question is did they put in the work both physically and mentally?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

So why aren’t you 340 and contest ready? [/quote]

I’m using the wrong protein supplement?[/quote]

All out of geneticburgers?

Seriously though, you’re always leading the hard charge but always have a reason for not stepping up to the stage.

Why is something a reason for you but everyone else is just making excuses?
[/quote]

You may want to make another thread for that.

Bodybuilding doesn’t pay unless you win a top spot.

I have a career. Most of those guys you see on stage on the pro level work as personal trainers or something minor on the side…and most only have a career of about 5 good years before they get passed over.

I would rather have the lifestyle I want along with the muscle. My goal was to be the best me I could be. Remember, I was that kid who everyone said wouldn’t ever be big.

I think I proved that wrong already.[/quote]

Right. A guy who is self employed in a highly paid profession with virtually complete control over his schedule and time management cant do it, but everybody else is just making excuses and Hatin’.

THEN it becomes an endeavor of self actualization.

Now I get it.

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Suppose some guys on juice are telling us to “work harder”, let’s not forget that steroids allow you to work much harder simply because your recovery is out of this world. I have talked with a former pro who said the same thing after he got off the stuff. I asked him why he had stopped lifting and he said natural training is boring after being on gear. His muscles take a full week to recover instead of 48 hours and the pump, energy and endurance just isn’t there.

That is one reason I don’t want to use. I would never want to come down from the high of those kind of workouts and having that much energy. I imagine you feel like Superman.

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[quote]ThePitbull86 wrote:

[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
You won’t meet a rich guy that hasn’t bent some rule’s, that the reality we live in.[/quote]

Absolutely, and I for one applaud guys like you that start that kind of gym. Now because guys like you can afford to keep that gym open, I have somewhere to lift. On top of that I love the people that pay their dues and never show up as well, because that means the squat rack is always open.

Even if you are bs’ing them by giving them circuit routines or whatever you’re still doing them the favor of showing them how to have a routine and stick to it. It’s not yours, mine, or anybody but that individual’s problem if they aren’t interested enough to do research and find somewhere like this site to really learn the ropes of what will get them where they really want to be. At some point people have to take responsibility for vetting their own information out and put in the work to make progress. 'Roids or no roids isn’t the question, the question is did they put in the work both physically and mentally?[/quote]

This is the thing though, even on here people like professor X say if you want to look like a bodybuilder you train like one. If a big strong guy who kids look up to and admire says he got his impressive physique doing dumb circuits thats fucked up.

And I get this is capitalism and its not fair and its based on someone exploiting a working mans labour and rendering surplus value from it to create profit and capital. But you can do that without telling kids lies that waste their time.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
I was approached a few years ago by an NPC judge that I know casually. He was encouraging me to start competing at a different weight class. I told him very simply that I don’t have any inclination to do what is required to compete in bodybuilding. There really isn’t nor has there ever been room to undertake such a thing.
[/quote]

Living where I do, I’ve trained at Bev Francis’s gym in Syosset on many occasions over the years. For those who don’t know, this is unofficially called the “East Coast Mecca”, as it’s filled on a daily basis with IFBB Pros, National level NPC competitors, Photographers from various muscle mags, and is run by Bev (Former Ms International and should have been Ms Olympia IMO) and her husband Steve (Top IFBB Official, Judge, Promoter, Powerlifter…) Anyway, it’s a damn inspiring place to be, very well equipped, and lots of people who truly know what the deal is in terms of every aspect of the sport.

A couple of years ago, I was in there the week after winning a contest. I had filled out a good amount from enjoying myself a bit, but was still damn tight, with veins running everywhere. As I was hanging around the front desk waiting for a friend, one of the gym employees asked if I competed. Feeling all proud, I told him I had won 2 Pro Cards in different Natural Feds (even mentioning the WNBF because I figured everyone knows that one -lol). The guy didn’t bat an eyelash, and just replied “You should get on some stuff and do a real contest”.

S[/quote]

Ouch!

Probably one of my bigger defects and would easily shut down any inroads if I had them is my inability to respond well or constructively to criticism.

That has to be a big factor in the success of anybody who takes up BBing.

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You miss the point, and unless you owned a gym it’s hard to understand, I spend all day training young kids that have desire for free, but the boatloads of yuppies that flow through every week. There’s no helping them, they know it all, they’ve spent years watching informercials, and what not, so I give them the machine circuit, and send them on they’re way. The back half of the gym is all heavy iron, and they can watch me train young athlete’s. There’s a dozen trainer’s free-lancing out of my place, and they’re happy to take theses people’s money, 3 sessions a week where nobody breaks a sweat.

I had a picture in my mind when I opened the gym, then reality struck. Nobody wants to work, they all want a magic routine, or a magic pill, so I don’t waste time with them, I just take they’re money and tell them they’re right. Then I spend my time doing everything I can to help the next generation, get them hooked on squatting and basic’s. Get them to have belief in themselves, that they can do anything with enough time and effort.

I have parents brining me in thank you cards, for changing they’re kids. they join my gym, and end up with a whole new outlook on life - Anything is possible with enough time and effort. Unlike the above post, I still believe you can set your goals on being and astronaut, or president, if your 18yr and have a solid 20yr plan, and your willing to put the work in. I guess I’m the niave one

I wasted the first 32yrs of my life with gangs and violance, and now I’m sober, and on a straight path. I’ve found a way to steer the next generation, atleast some of them in another direction, and make bank while I’m doing it. So ya, it may seem like I’m ripping off some know it all yuppies, but they just want to be able to tell they’re friends that they belong to a gym, or better yet, a gym owned by a big angry ex con.

There’s a dinner party story, well it costs them 40$ a month, until they get up the courage to come into my ofice, and give me some lame excuse why they have to cancel they’re banking info :slight_smile: Then I usually tell them they’re not working hard enough, so they stick around for another couple years, hahah, it’s all about the kids, and these smucks can afford it anyway.

In the end everyone wins, and I’m not out there doing armed robberies, I’m helping people. LOL, Lighten up, we only get one go round, why waste it worrying about what other people are doing.

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
You miss the point, and unless you owned a gym it’s hard to understand, I spend all day training young kids that have desire for free, but the boatloads of yuppies that flow through every week. There’s no helping them, they know it all, they’ve spent years watching informercials, and what not, so I give them the machine circuit, and send them on they’re way. The back half of the gym is all heavy iron, and they can watch me train young athlete’s. There’s a dozen trainer’s free-lancing out of my place, and they’re happy to take theses people’s money, 3 sessions a week where nobody breaks a sweat.

I had a picture in my mind when I opened the gym, then reality struck. Nobody wants to work, they all want a magic routine, or a magic pill, so I don’t waste time with them, I just take they’re money and tell them they’re right. Then I spend my time doing everything I can to help the next generation, get them hooked on squatting and basic’s. Get them to have belief in themselves, that they can do anything with enough time and effort. I have parents brining me in thank you cards, for changing they’re kids. they join my gym, and end up with a whole new outlook on life - Anything is possible with enough time and effort. Unlike the above post, I still believe you can set your goals on being and astronaut, or president, if your 18yr and have a solid 20yr plan, and your willing to put the work in. I guess I’m the niave one

I wasted the first 32yrs of my life with gangs and violance, and now I’m sober, and on a straight path. I’ve found a way to steer the next generation, atleast some of them in another direction, and make bank while I’m doing it. So ya, it may seem like I’m ripping off some know it all yuppies, but they just want to be able to tell they’re friends that they belong to a gym, or better yet, a gym owned by a big angry ex con. There’s a dinner party story, well it costs them 40$ a month, until they get up the courage to come into my ofice, and give me some lame excuse why they have to cancel they’re banking info :slight_smile: Then I usually tell them they’re not working hard enough, so they stick around for another couple years, hahah, it’s all about the kids, and these smucks can afford it anyway.

In the end everyone wins, and I’m not out there doing armed robberies, I’m helping people. LOL, Lighten up, we only get one go round, why waste it worrying about what other people are doing.

[/quote]

LOL to be fair that sounds better and different than how you originally framed it. You made it sound like you tell all the people who come in to use machines and get big and strong doing circuits.

Also I am curious what gangs were you in? Do you have a big giant swastika on your chest derek vineyard style and thats why you have your back on the pic?

All I know is your pictures radiates alpha power top. If I was your cell mate I would totally be open to things.

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[quote]Pj92x wrote:

[quote]ThePitbull86 wrote:

[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
You won’t meet a rich guy that hasn’t bent some rule’s, that the reality we live in.[/quote]

Absolutely, and I for one applaud guys like you that start that kind of gym. Now because guys like you can afford to keep that gym open, I have somewhere to lift. On top of that I love the people that pay their dues and never show up as well, because that means the squat rack is always open.

Even if you are bs’ing them by giving them circuit routines or whatever you’re still doing them the favor of showing them how to have a routine and stick to it. It’s not yours, mine, or anybody but that individual’s problem if they aren’t interested enough to do research and find somewhere like this site to really learn the ropes of what will get them where they really want to be. At some point people have to take responsibility for vetting their own information out and put in the work to make progress. 'Roids or no roids isn’t the question, the question is did they put in the work both physically and mentally?[/quote]

This is the thing though, even on here people like professor X say if you want to look like a bodybuilder you train like one. If a big strong guy who kids look up to and admire says he got his impressive physique doing dumb circuits thats fucked up.

And I get this is capitalism and its not fair and its based on someone exploiting a working mans labour and rendering surplus value from it to create profit and capital. But you can do that without telling kids lies that waste their time.[/quote]

I don’t disagree that the right thing to do is tell the kids the truth, however, as Anytime stated most people don’t want to hear that in order to lift 500 lbs and be ripped up like Rambo it’s gonna take them years and years of grueling hard work and quite possibly some drugs to get there. They want to do a Curves circuit and go home feeling like they are special. tbh, they probably are improving just doing something over nothing even if they aren’t going to become the next Arnold. If you tell people how hard accomplishing something really is, most of the time they’ll quit.

I have faith that if guys like Anytime or Prof X can tell someone is genuinely interested in getting better and doing the work, they’ll tell them the truth but if some dope comes up wanting to know how many curls it takes to look like Ronnie Coleman in the next year they might as well just tell them to do 3 sets of 10 on the machines because even at that they probably won’t follow through.

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Then I spend my time doing everything I can to help the next generation, get them hooked on squatting and basic’s. Get them to have belief in themselves, that they can do anything with enough time and effort.

I have parents brining me in thank you cards, for changing they’re kids. they join my gym, and end up with a whole new outlook on life - Anything is possible with enough time and effort. Unlike the above post, I still believe you can set your goals on being and astronaut, or president, if your 18yr and have a solid 20yr plan, and your willing to put the work in. I guess I’m the niave one

[/quote]
^
This is what I mean, it’s about reading people and deciding who it is best to spend time on, and most of the truly big guys on here will do that and help those who really can/want to be helped

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

So why aren’t you 340 and contest ready? [/quote]

I’m using the wrong protein supplement?[/quote]

All out of geneticburgers?

Seriously though, you’re always leading the hard charge but always have a reason for not stepping up to the stage.

Why is something a reason for you but everyone else is just making excuses?
[/quote]

You may want to make another thread for that.

Bodybuilding doesn’t pay unless you win a top spot.

I have a career. Most of those guys you see on stage on the pro level work as personal trainers or something minor on the side…and most only have a career of about 5 good years before they get passed over.

I would rather have the lifestyle I want along with the muscle. My goal was to be the best me I could be. Remember, I was that kid who everyone said wouldn’t ever be big.

I think I proved that wrong already.[/quote]

Right. A guy who is self employed in a highly paid profession with virtually complete control over his schedule and time management cant do it, but everybody else is just making excuses and Hatin’.

THEN it becomes an endeavor of self actualization.

Now I get it.
[/quote]

QFT

Oh look, here’s a guy who’s a doctor (a real doctor) as well as a bodybuilder and powerlifter.

https://www.facebook.com/DrJoshHill

https://twitter.com/DrJoshHill

I guess it can be done.

People shouldn’t limit themselves by assuming they can’t be a competitive bodybuilder just because they have a career.