Jake- Cool post. Thanks. I have a good number of friends who have had tours of duty overseas where they’ve had to make due similarly.
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stop the notion that everyone huge inside is on steroids.
That might not have been an exact quote, but it was the general impression I got reading through rthe thread as well.
On the sublect of race, for what ever reason, the black guys I’ve done time with, seem to be able to build muscle at a similar rate as the rest of us, while staying leaner. This seems to be race related, as us white folk get big and puffy in jail, and the black guys seem for the most part to get big and lean. Latin, and Oriental seem to stay lean as well, just not enough of them working out in places I’ve been to make an assumtion.
There is different meal plans for different religions, but I don’t think that plays much of a role. The Muslim diet plan is actually less protien, with the best muscle building meal plan being a diebetic jew 
and I don’t see many of them getting big and ripped !
I realize the above observations, are subjective at best, but are things I’ve noticed, and thought it might add somthing to the discussion. I’m not picking an arguement with anyone, or picking on a race, just throwing out some things I’ve noticed. latter
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
stop the notion that everyone huge inside is on steroids.
That might not have been an exact quote, but it was the general impression I got reading through rthe thread as well.
On the sublect of race, for what ever reason, the black guys I’ve done time with, seem to be able to build muscle at a similar rate as the rest of us, while staying leaner. This seems to be race related, as us white folk get big and puffy in jail, and the black guys seem for the most part to get big and lean. Latin, and Oriental seem to stay lean as well, just not enough of them working out in places I’ve been to make an assumtion.
There is different meal plans for different religions, but I don’t think that plays much of a role. The Muslim diet plan is actually less protien, with the best muscle building meal plan being a diebetic jew and I don’t see many of them getting big and ripped !
I realize the above observations, are subjective at best, but are things I’ve noticed, and thought it might add somthing to the discussion. I’m not picking an arguement with anyone, or picking on a race, just throwing out some things I’ve noticed. latter
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Thanks…and I agree. That is the impression I get from reading many of the posts here…since so many seem to have a problem at the very mention of being able to possibly gain more muscle than many here seem to think can be built naturally.
Either way, I appreciate the insight. This thread is by no means “beating a dead horse” when it has this view point and that of others in it with experience.
Kali Muscle straight out of prison.
Some would say this is even impossible without steroids if they saw this person walking by.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
stop the notion that everyone huge inside is on steroids.
That might not have been an exact quote, but it was the general impression I got reading through rthe thread as well.
On the sublect of race, for what ever reason, the black guys I’ve done time with, seem to be able to build muscle at a similar rate as the rest of us, while staying leaner. This seems to be race related, as us white folk get big and puffy in jail, and the black guys seem for the most part to get big and lean. Latin, and Oriental seem to stay lean as well, just not enough of them working out in places I’ve been to make an assumtion.
There is different meal plans for different religions, but I don’t think that plays much of a role. The Muslim diet plan is actually less protien, with the best muscle building meal plan being a diebetic jew and I don’t see many of them getting big and ripped !
I realize the above observations, are subjective at best, but are things I’ve noticed, and thought it might add somthing to the discussion. I’m not picking an arguement with anyone, or picking on a race, just throwing out some things I’ve noticed. latter
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.since so many seem to have a problem [/quote]
Who exactly has a “problem”…any quotes?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Some would say [/quote]
Who would “say”…quotes?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
good news: Props to anytimejake for taking kids under his wing with diet and heavy lifting. That mentorship really makes lifetime changes.
bad news: There’s a disturbing trend of old guys telling me that I have no work ethic because I’m young. This only happens online of course[/quote]
All this talk about not working hard enough gets redundant imo. I think anyone who loves bodybuilding and/or visits this site is going to work hard. It’s just having passion for something. My work ethic has never held me back and I don’t believe the average poster here is lazy in the gym.[/quote]
How hard you think you train is a subjective issue. There is a big difference between everyone thinking they work hard and matching the true intensity some of the real gym rats train with.
Intensity isn’t the same as “working hard”…and this alone can make all of the difference when it comes to progress.
I see very few people training with that intensity I see the really big and strong guys train with…even though I am sure they would ALL claim they “train hard”.[/quote]
Completely agree … I think a lot of people, unless they have prior experience being pushed physically out of their comfort zone via athletic coaches or the military, completely shut down at the first sign of training “pain” …
They think they are working hard, but the frame of reference just isn’t there … One mans pain threshold is another mans warmup …
One other note…this can also be a detox to many of these guys. From drinking alcohol on a regular basis and smoking weed all day, suddenly they are thrown in an environment where the food is cleaner and none of these issues hold them back physically.
Most of the guys I know who end up like that basically live on sex, drugs and alcohol. Take that away, and that high testosterone suddenly goes fully into building the body up.
[quote]Velvet Elvis wrote:
Completely agree … I think a lot of people, unless they have prior experience being pushed physically out of their comfort zone via athletic coaches or the military, completely shut down at the first sign of training “pain” …
They think they are working hard, but the frame of reference just isn’t there … One mans pain threshold is another mans warmup … [/quote]
That’s why I value training with other serious huge guys in the past. It pushed me out of my comfort zone…something that won’t happen casually no matter how bad you think you are.
That is why training at Planet Fitness can hold you back.
I don’t see people training with that intensity…unless they look like it.
I see plenty of small weak guys running around the gym at top speed sweating though.
Now now, the place I own is basicly a planet fitness with 24hr access, it’s not the gym per say, but the training enviorment I find. My manager is a top level amature BBer (3rd in Ont. ) and we run a PLing club out of it as well, so it sets the enviorment, I train all the local hockey players as well, so it’s shiney an new with maltsy music playing, but we get some work done there, and I’m able to convert a lot of people to real lifting.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I thought I’d spend a minute speaking about training in jails where we don’t have any weights, seems like somthing people are interested in, and mabey some ides’s can be used for guys that train at home.
First off, I’ve done about nine bits to my recolition. The longest being 26 months in the pen ( federal) with weights. The other bits have all been in jail ( provincial / state ) waiting for trial, this generaly takes around 8-12mths, and thankfully due to having a little money and backing, as well as a good lawyer, I usually get off. These are the bits without weights, jail vrs pen. I’ll speak about the jails I’ve been in, and things we invented, or did to be able to build muscle without weights. Other jails may be a touch different, I have done time in the State’s and it was similar to Canada
First off we make weight bags with water, the juice, and milk comes in small plastic bags, you drink them fill them with water, and tie a knott in the corner. You then fill pillow cases with these bags. We will usually have 4-6 different pillow cases on each range made up with rope handle’s, all different weights, from say 20 - 80lbs with the 80s being bulky and hard to handle. We also braid ropes ( ripped up sheets) of different lengths, for various exercises.
Leg day ; Start with squats, a prisioner stands on a wall about shoulder height, and holds the railing from the second floor, you step up to him, and he steps off onto your shoulder’s ( one foot on each shoulder) he holds the railing up above to steady himself, while you full squat up and down, (5 sets) Next we do step-ups onto a stool 24’’ holding a water bag in each hand, 20 per leg-4 sets. We then do walking lunges, holding youir hands above your head, touching knee to the floor on every rep, from one end of the range to the other.
We end the day with leg ext. and curls, sitting or laying on a table, and two guys with a rope adding manual resistance. Single leg and split squats can also be done, through out the day, we train togeather for an actual work out, but what ever day it is, you generally do stuff to keep th pump in that body part all day, it also kills time.
Chest ; It depends on the place, but the last place I was, had tables, with four round stools anchored around the table. I could slide in under the table, so my back was centered on a round stool between my shoulder blades, and my body was wedged up under the table, with my feet braced on opposite stool, on other side of table. Now two guys get up on table, one guy steps off into my hands, and the other guy holds his hands for balance. I’m effectivly holding the guys feet like I would a set of DBs, I can come down into a full stretch, and push up and squeeze my hands togeather like DB presses.
I hold the record at last place, a 250lb guy for 10 full reps, its hard your shaking and quivering, suporting a full man above you, while you hold the bottom of his feet. We also do flys off the top of a brick knee wall, with water bags, as well various push ups of all angles through out the day. I usually aim for 1000 pushups through out the day, on chest day
I’m going to wrap this up before it gets to long, a few other various exercises, for back we have a knee wall about 4’’ high I stand on one side, and my partner stands on the other side, I wrap a rope under his armpits, and hold the handle on each end. He then makes his body a plank, and falls back wards, I let my chest press up against the wall, and row his body weight keeping my elbows high. The longer the rope the harder the resistance.
These plus various chins/pull ups. We also do a ton of home made TRX ropes, I like to think TRX was invented in jails, various length ropes anchored with handles, you place your feet in the corner of wall and floor, and fall back and do various rows and face pulls, also turn around and do flys, and presses.
I could go on all day with discriptions of different inventions, the water bags are used for various latteras, curls, presses and pulls. Anywhere two wall meet togeather to form a V we can do dips, lots of dips. bent over at the waist doing standing french presses off a rail or stool. We hold each other to perfect form, because we compete for rep challanges. ‘’ you don’t cheat in jail’’ you get called on it.
Anyway, guys are wondering how we get big in jail without weights, this is it. We try and find atleast one exercise per body part, that we can load relly heavy to rip down the muscle’s, after that it’s just a shit ton of volume, and high reps doing various body weight, and water bag exercises, like I said 1000 push ups on chest day, 1000 free squats on leg day, and 500 pull ups on back day, these are done all through out the day, with a solid 2hr actual workout usually in the morning, where we all train togather. The rest of the day it’s just about killing time. This is from my expeirance, other’s may be different. Latter
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Good input Guys in jail are like McGuyver when it comes to anything. Too many of you guys think they are all juicing its realy just a equation of time+weight training+diet+ bro science. One thing to keep in mind for you guys that havent been locked up is. When you are in a jailhouse gym you are surounded by guys that have been lifting in jails or prisons for 20+ years. They teach you allot of tricks. Dont discount the power of body weight stuff either. Most of these big guys have a very simple plan eat, lift,sleep they have years of this with little distraction.
Think of it like this you have 24 hrs to kill in a basement with a bunch of assholes being gaurded by other assholes with guns. You can A) Stay in your cell all B) Hang out in the commons area gamble and watch shitty TV C) go to gym. When I was inside we got 90min wreck time as long as we werent in lockdown or isolation. The plates were chained to the floor and there was no dumbells. We did DLs, Squats, Bench, OHP, pull ups, dips and a bunch of drop sets on machines.
During lockdowns (stuck in cell)we did squats, lunges, push ups, pull ups, dips, miltarys press (feet against wall verticle) For cardio jog in place, jumping jacks, shadow box, burpees
Personally I found the gym to be the safest inviroment. Sure dudes get stabed or beat to death while you workout sometimes but it beats the alternative. Plus in the gym you buddy up with bigger stronger guys so its a plus. Like Jakes says its real simple. No matter how you lift given a few years of lifting 1hr a day plus eating ok you will grow.
Where we go wrong on the outside is eating shitty foods and skipping gym sessions becuase we have life things happen. However I bet any of those guys inside would trade 22inch biceps for 24 hours of freedom
It is funny how my “useless dead horse beating” threads seem to not be so useless.
I thought this was pretty interesting.
From 2:00 to about 8:15. Prisoners, prison officials, and the documentary film crew talking about how big a role lifting is in jail.
From the looks of it, though, it’s a fairly standard mix of builds. For every well-built guy, there’s a skinny dude and a pudgy dude. In any case, it does seem like they all recognize training as the thing to do to pass time and stay out of trouble.
It is funny how my “useless dead horse beating” threads seem to not be so useless.
OK we all get it, now stop beating a dead horse
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
It is funny how my “useless dead horse beating” threads seem to not be so useless.
OK we all get it, now stop beating a dead horse[/quote]
LOL. Yes, sir!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Kali Muscle straight out of prison.
Some would say this is even impossible without steroids if they saw this person walking by.[/quote]
Why do you care who thinks what? Let’s say people do think at the time of this picture he was on roids. Why do you make such a stink about it? You come across as if the world is eventually going to come around and think like you when it’s not.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Now now, the place I own is basicly a planet fitness with 24hr access, it’s not the gym per say, but the training enviorment I find. My manager is a top level amature BBer (3rd in Ont. ) and we run a PLing club out of it as well, so it sets the enviorment, I train all the local hockey players as well, so it’s shiney an new with maltsy music playing, but we get some work done there, and I’m able to convert a lot of people to real lifting.[/quote]
I really do think environment is a big part when trying to learn who you are and what makes yourself work.
I have that intensity now and can train anywhere they have the equipment…but truth is, I will always still rather train in a gym where there are a few other really big guys there especially if we know each other.
I doubt they run big guys out the gym where you work though.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Kali Muscle straight out of prison.
Some would say this is even impossible without steroids if they saw this person walking by.[/quote]
Why do you care who thinks what? Let’s say people do think at the time of this picture he was on roids. Why do you make such a stink about it? You come across as if the world is eventually going to come around and think like you when it’s not. [/quote]
Suck a stink? I made one thread about it…in months.
Why does it bother you that other people seem to care also?
What I notice is…none of you spend much time asking why anyone else is making threads.
Yet when it comes to me, every thing posted needs to be questioned.
Why post to tell me you hate my posts?
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
I thought this was pretty interesting.
From 2:00 to about 8:15. Prisoners, prison officials, and the documentary film crew talking about how big a role lifting is in jail.
From the looks of it, though, it’s a fairly standard mix of builds. For every well-built guy, there’s a skinny dude and a pudgy dude. In any case, it does seem like they all recognize training as the thing to do to pass time and stay out of trouble.[/quote]
Must be dat dere genetic predisposition for high testosterone.
Professor X
I doubt they run big guys out the gym where you work though.
I havent been allowd there in a year becuse of this stupid house arrest, but the bills still come adressed with my name on them, because I still own it :) Ive never been really good at working or playing well with other`s, hense my knowlage on this thread. That was the whole point of setting up and owning a buisness that would pay me no matter where I found myself.