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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Alright I’ve been putting this off, trying to avoid this thread, because there’s so much horse shit being spread here. First of all, guys grow big and strong in jail, because of the perfect combination of food - rest - and time to lift. The meal times are set, and designed by a nutritionist, so for the first time in they’re lives, most of these guys are eatting perfectly ( mabey not for getting lean) and extra food apart fom the meal plan is easy to come by.

On the subject of rest, the last bit I did, this was my schedual ; breakfast came to my cell at 8am, the cell was cracked at 9am, I was out on the block from 9am to 11am (lifting), then I was locked in my cell for 2hrs for lunch ( eat and sleep) then back out on the block from 1 to 4;30 (lifting) then I was locked back in my cell for 2hrs for dinner ( eat and sleep) then back out on the block from 6;30 to 9pm (lifting), and locked down for the night. Thats alot of eatting, sleeping, and lifting. Some places have weights, other’s we use pillow cases full of water bottles, and ropes. it make no differance, because it’s the perfect storm, of -rest-food-and time for lifting. Anyone could get big on this schedual.

Steroids, LOL, in 20yrs of lifting, and going in and out of jail, only once I was offered D-bol, 40 tabs for 500$ Understand, contraband comes into the jail mostly in body cavities, so it comes down to size vrs cost. A bottle of test is worth 100$ same size piece of heroin is 1000$ The only other way contaband comes into jails, is through guards, and I’m pretty sure most of them aren’t in a hurry to make the population, bigger and stronger, and according to the media, more violent.

The point I’m making here, is steroids are unavailable in prision. Now if your a mega rich ( Ja Rule) or super powerful ( head of H-A, or crips) You can get whatever the fuck you want, but thats pretty fucking rare. Even weed is on the rare side, because it’s bulky for the price, heroin, coke, pills, are easier to stick up your ass, and they’re worth more. Thats the reality.

Not to go off on a rant, but a bunch of yuppies talking about life inside prison pisses me off, but what pisses me off more, is once again steroids are used to justify somone being able to build a little more muscle than somone else. If you had nothing to do all day, but eat - sleep - lift - year after year, probably build some muscle to.[/quote]

Another ex con confirms what I said was my experience in the joint. High frequency training and lots of rest. Steroids basically nowhere to be found. Maybe they’ll believe you more than me.

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Naw, they just want to pat them selves on the back, and belive in a bunch of limitations, because believing in rare lifter’s with great genetic’s for BBing, that don’t need steroids, seems to be akin to believing in Big Foot now days.

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Naw, they just want to pat them selves on the back, and belive in a bunch of limitations, because believing in rare lifter’s with great genetic’s for BBing, that don’t need steroids, seems to be akin to believing in Big Foot now days. [/quote]

Really? I don’t see anybody arguing anywhere on this thread that outliers exist. I am 100% positive that people with superior genetics exist.

When you start throwing out things like “they” and “them” and “themselves” instead of quoting them so they can respond…you start to sound like somebody else who loves to bait folks.

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When you combine a controlled diet, unlimited times for workouts, and plenty of time to get results, not to mention 8-10 hrs of sleep every night plus naps. Its a perfect environment for getting more muscle. Not to mention guys buy tuna, peanut butter and other foods of commissary so nutrition isnt that hard. The stuff like cheat foods and alcohol arent really there to throw you off track.

Could you score juice inside sure you can score almost anything. But from everything Ive seen when I was in jail its just lots of weights, & lots of time. Tends to be guys get into fitness, Jesus, or the law. Once those doors slam you have a lot of time to kill.

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[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
When you combine a controlled diet, unlimited times for workouts, and plenty of time to get results, not to mention 8-10 hrs of sleep every night plus naps. Its a perfect environment for getting more muscle. Not to mention guys buy tuna, peanut butter and other foods of commissary so nutrition isnt that hard. The stuff like cheat foods and alcohol arent really there to throw you off track.

Could you score juice inside sure you can score almost anything. But from everything Ive seen when I was in jail its just lots of weights, & lots of time. Tends to be guys get into fitness, Jesus, or the law. Once those doors slam you have a lot of time to kill.[/quote]

Haha God yes, the jailhouse lawyers and preachers. Nothing more hilarious than the degenerate who finds Jesus in the big house and starts preaching at everybody and making a big show of praying before every meal then robs somebody a week after making parole.

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Could it be, at least in part, that many of those in prison just happen to forge an intensity/work ethic that is extremely rare in modern gym rat trainees.  I feel like soooo many people overthink things and self-impose limitations it becomes ridiculous. ....

Fear of overtraining, meticulous macro & micro nutrient counting, supplements, worrying if one consumed the correct ratio of clean carbs, fats, protein etc, pre & post & intra workout…on and on we go ad nauseam…The body and mind are amazing things… at some point don’t we need to forget all the bullshit and remember that training your ass off may trump many of these other factors when the rubber meets the road.

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Not that I’m a rocket scientist, by any means, but the best client I ever had, as far as muscle development is concerned, road the short bus to school to be sure, but he never questioned what I told him. I would give this guy a program, and tell him to follow it, and not do anything else. He’d come into the gym, with the program I’d given him, and plug away, doing whatever weight was written down, for what ever sets and reps I had written. He ate a dozen eggs a day like I asked, I’d given him a basic diet plan, and a basic work out. He worked for the rail road, and he’d come in every night, do his set work out and leave.

The kid was kicking around my gym for about two years, and he became enormously big and strong. I don’t know what ever happened to him, but alot of really smart guys could learn alot from this really dumb guy. Most people I put on basic programs, never stick with it, question every thing, over think every thing, and never get anywhere. Makes you wonder.

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nvm… unnecessarily rude post… lol

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good news: Props to anytimejake for taking kids under his wing with diet and heavy lifting. That mentorship really makes lifetime changes.
bad news: There’s a disturbing trend of old guys telling me that I have no work ethic because I’m young. This only happens online of course

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
bad news: There’s a disturbing trend of old guys telling me that I have no work ethic because I’m young. This only happens online of course[/quote]

You specifically?

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
good news: Props to anytimejake for taking kids under his wing with diet and heavy lifting. That mentorship really makes lifetime changes.
bad news: There’s a disturbing trend of old guys telling me that I have no work ethic because I’m young. This only happens online of course[/quote]

All this talk about not working hard enough gets redundant imo. I think anyone who loves bodybuilding and/or visits this site is going to work hard. It’s just having passion for something. My work ethic has never held me back and I don’t believe the average poster here is lazy in the gym.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
You know, the same crap that’s run its course and then some by now,… well, I would say that it’s at that point that people get a little tired of it.

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Could you be so kind as to list out for me the topics and opinions I am allowed by you to express on this forum?

This thread has had many ex-convicts post and dispel many of the myths written by the “bros” in this thread.

I personally find that interesting. I apologize for not having the skill to discuss only the topics you approve of.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Could you be so kind as to list out for me the topics and opinions I am allowed by you to express on this forum?

This thread has had many ex-convicts post and dispel many of the myths written by the “bros” in this thread.

I personally find that interesting. I apologize for not having the skill to discuss only the topics you approve of.
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Nah, I honestly think that you’re bright enough to know full well what you’re doing without any help.

I’ve found this thread interesting as well, despite some people thinking that their own experiences means everyone else’s, but hey, that happens on here with every topic, so it’s to be expected to a certain degree and I don’t lose sleep over it. I’ve certainly not spent any time in the clink myself, so I’m in no way the final word on any of this. I’m listening to the experiences some have chosen to share just like many others are doing.

No need to apologize. We all know how the system has a way of keeping people in line when they continually, and intentionally seek to rile things up.

S

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Naw, they just want to pat them selves on the back, and belive in a bunch of limitations, because believing in rare lifter’s with great genetic’s for BBing, that don’t need steroids, seems to be akin to believing in Big Foot now days. [/quote]

I loved your first post in the thread (not kidding, that was a great post), but this was a bit off base, I think. Sure, there were some posts about gear in the clink, probably from people who don’t know any better. That being said, from the original video, most of the people have stated unequivocally that most of the physiques in that video were possible without gear.

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I thought I’d spend a minute speaking about training in jails where we don’t have any weights, seems like somthing people are interested in, and mabey some ides’s can be used for guys that train at home.

First off, I’ve done about nine bits to my recolition. The longest being 26 months in the pen ( federal) with weights. The other bits have all been in jail ( provincial / state ) waiting for trial, this generaly takes around 8-12mths, and thankfully due to having a little money and backing, as well as a good lawyer, I usually get off. These are the bits without weights, jail vrs pen. I’ll speak about the jails I’ve been in, and things we invented, or did to be able to build muscle without weights. Other jails may be a touch different, I have done time in the State’s and it was similar to Canada

First off we make weight bags with water, the juice, and milk comes in small plastic bags, you drink them fill them with water, and tie a knott in the corner. You then fill pillow cases with these bags. We will usually have 4-6 different pillow cases on each range made up with rope handle’s, all different weights, from say 20 - 80lbs with the 80s being bulky and hard to handle. We also braid ropes ( ripped up sheets) of different lengths, for various exercises.

Leg day ; Start with squats, a prisioner stands on a wall about shoulder height, and holds the railing from the second floor, you step up to him, and he steps off onto your shoulder’s ( one foot on each shoulder) he holds the railing up above to steady himself, while you full squat up and down, (5 sets) Next we do step-ups onto a stool 24’’ holding a water bag in each hand, 20 per leg-4 sets. We then do walking lunges, holding youir hands above your head, touching knee to the floor on every rep, from one end of the range to the other.

We end the day with leg ext. and curls, sitting or laying on a table, and two guys with a rope adding manual resistance. Single leg and split squats can also be done, through out the day, we train togeather for an actual work out, but what ever day it is, you generally do stuff to keep th pump in that body part all day, it also kills time.

Chest ; It depends on the place, but the last place I was, had tables, with four round stools anchored around the table. I could slide in under the table, so my back was centered on a round stool between my shoulder blades, and my body was wedged up under the table, with my feet braced on opposite stool, on other side of table. Now two guys get up on table, one guy steps off into my hands, and the other guy holds his hands for balance. I’m effectivly holding the guys feet like I would a set of DBs, I can come down into a full stretch, and push up and squeeze my hands togeather like DB presses.

I hold the record at last place, a 250lb guy for 10 full reps, its hard your shaking and quivering, suporting a full man above you, while you hold the bottom of his feet. We also do flys off the top of a brick knee wall, with water bags, as well various push ups of all angles through out the day. I usually aim for 1000 pushups through out the day, on chest day

I’m going to wrap this up before it gets to long, a few other various exercises, for back we have a knee wall about 4’’ high I stand on one side, and my partner stands on the other side, I wrap a rope under his armpits, and hold the handle on each end. He then makes his body a plank, and falls back wards, I let my chest press up against the wall, and row his body weight keeping my elbows high. The longer the rope the harder the resistance.

These plus various chins/pull ups. We also do a ton of home made TRX ropes, I like to think TRX was invented in jails, various length ropes anchored with handles, you place your feet in the corner of wall and floor, and fall back and do various rows and face pulls, also turn around and do flys, and presses.

I could go on all day with discriptions of different inventions, the water bags are used for various latteras, curls, presses and pulls. Anywhere two wall meet togeather to form a V we can do dips, lots of dips. bent over at the waist doing standing french presses off a rail or stool. We hold each other to perfect form, because we compete for rep challanges. ‘’ you don’t cheat in jail’’ you get called on it.

Anyway, guys are wondering how we get big in jail without weights, this is it. We try and find atleast one exercise per body part, that we can load relly heavy to rip down the muscle’s, after that it’s just a shit ton of volume, and high reps doing various body weight, and water bag exercises, like I said 1000 push ups on chest day, 1000 free squats on leg day, and 500 pull ups on back day, these are done all through out the day, with a solid 2hr actual workout usually in the morning, where we all train togather. The rest of the day it’s just about killing time. This is from my expeirance, other’s may be different. Latter

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Naw, they just want to pat them selves on the back, and belive in a bunch of limitations, because believing in rare lifter’s with great genetic’s for BBing, that don’t need steroids, seems to be akin to believing in Big Foot now days. [/quote]

I loved your first post in the thread (not kidding, that was a great post), but this was a bit off base, I think. Sure, there were some posts about gear in the clink, probably from people who don’t know any better. That being said, from the original video, most of the people have stated unequivocally that most of the physiques in that video were possible without gear. [/quote]

Yep, totally…nobody is arguing that at all.

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Jake, that post was awesome. Really informative, and really goes to show that people who think they don’t have the right equipment most likely just need to work and think harder.

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

No need to apologize. We all know how the system has a way of keeping people in line when they continually, and intentionally seek to rile things up.

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Just a note…if you constantly posting about me is “riling things up”…maybe you should just stop posting about me.

I would rather keep reading as people who have actually been in prison stop the notion that everyone huge inside is on steroids.

I posted the original vid only because it is one of the only examples I can find of pictures inside prison of people who train.

Cameras are usually not allowed.

I was not using that as the ONLY possible example…since we have seen Tooky Williams and people even bigger than that from inside.

I know someone who is now over 245lbs lean inside when he was barely 225lbs months ago.

I would rather hear from people who have had the experience or know someone close inside…not you.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

No need to apologize. We all know how the system has a way of keeping people in line when they continually, and intentionally seek to rile things up.

S[/quote]

stop the notion that everyone huge inside is on steroids.

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Can you quote the person that said this?

Just for future reference.

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[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
good news: Props to anytimejake for taking kids under his wing with diet and heavy lifting. That mentorship really makes lifetime changes.
bad news: There’s a disturbing trend of old guys telling me that I have no work ethic because I’m young. This only happens online of course[/quote]

All this talk about not working hard enough gets redundant imo. I think anyone who loves bodybuilding and/or visits this site is going to work hard. It’s just having passion for something. My work ethic has never held me back and I don’t believe the average poster here is lazy in the gym.[/quote]

I would disagree here greatly.

I have no doubt most people THINK they are training hard. I have actually heard someone say this…only to have me push them to increasing the weight they use by another 45lbs a side when training with them…that they didn’t know they could do. That means he increased his INTENSITY.

How hard you think you train is a subjective issue. There is a big difference between everyone thinking they work hard and matching the true intensity some of the real gym rats train with.

Intensity isn’t the same as “working hard”…and this alone can make all of the difference when it comes to progress.

I see very few people training with that intensity I see the really big and strong guys train with…even though I am sure they would ALL claim they “train hard”.