Be strong does not mean you are hulk and weightlift, come on dude don’t be stupid.
Many people cant even do a push up or pull up right!
By the way, estrogen is important in our body functions, not just hypertrophy and if you think that you can get muscular with a low e2 just poop ia’s till you reach lower than 20ndl and try to even have a good erection or workout without get pain or injuried or became tired everyday.
Come back later and show what you got.
Who are you responding to?
How does it not make sense? Having Low E2 and high androgens is a real issue. And if the symptoms on daily IM are 1000% exactly the same as crashing with an AI, its most probable its crashed E2 which is responsible. Deducing this is called logical thinking and something you seem to lack. Im going to add depression and anxiety to the symptoms I listed earlier to make it more clear to you it was an E2 crash. I NEVER EVER experience anxiety or depression otherwise.
Remember, all theories were born in an idea. Be open minded, accept that others may respond differently. Some people like yourself have needed to lose weight as their goals. You have a natural propensity for good high E2 levels. Other individuals may be skinny hardgainers and lack the fat to aromatise to even 1/4 of the degree that you do. You will never understand what that feels like, as its a problem you will never experience.
So, when you said, “BBing is not a strength sport, and most of them are in fact not very strong.”
You ACTUALLY meant, “Compared to power lifters, in general, bodybuilders aren’t as strong as powerlifters.”
Which is no where near the same as saying bodybuilders aren’t very strong.
Got it!
No, you don’t. And I doubt that you will. Bodybuilding is about LOOKING strong, not being strong, and there are plenty of guys who work a manual job and look like slobs that are in fact significantly stronger than freaky looking BBers on ridiculous cycles. Your ignorance is incredible.
I can’t believe you actually think bodybuilders only look strong.
Now I don’t think you’re actually serious. Nobody could make such an ignorant statement, without it being pure sarcasm. Congratulations, you fooled me.
I know enough of them to know it, not just think it.
Lets quantify. Send us bench and squat weight stats and pics of these muscular bodybuilders who only bench small weights and are massive
Sure, let me break into a gym and drag some guys out of quarantine for that.
You might note, I’m in Nicaragua at the moment, so virtually anyone at the gym I go to is trying to Bodybuild and is weak as a kitten. I rarely see anyone bench (or squat actually) more than 1 plate here. But I was referring to guys in the US that I know and have known over the years. They do not train for strength, so it would be either accidental or they are not really training optimally if they get strong if that is their goal . Being shredded and muscular is a different world than being big and strong. And BBers don’t generally want to be judged on strength and most probably couldn’t tell you their 1RM in anything if they wanted to. They’d have to actually test it to know and that is counter-productive to their goals.
Im seeing poor arguments here.
“Gyms not open” when asked to quantify bodybuilders being weak
“Whoever started calling daily injections dailies need to be a man” because no argument was able to be forthcoming when presented with evidence for crashing E2 on…dailies.
Cmon guys…you can do better than that.
Okay. I have lifted with all manner of PLers, Strongmen and BBers. Including a guy with an NPC card. The NPC card holder worked squats up to 405 lbs. I never saw him go above that. He did plenty of reps, but that is also more than I saw any of the other competing BBers use for squats. At the time my raw squat was 650 lbs completely natural (in fact, with low test going by old labs). I was not even close to the strongest guy around. I was tongue and cheek about the gyms being closed, but I am serious about the strength. The point originally being about pursuit of hypertrophy versus strength and the utility of E2 in these pursuits.
My contention was that insufficient E2 is bad for both, but that doesn’t extrapolate to more E2 is better about a certain point and E2 is not more androgenic than test.
Saying that going from twice a week injection frequency to daily injections (of the same weekly dosage) crashes your estrogen doesn’t make sense. I’m open minded but after calling both of you on it you haven’t explained how that could happen. Please explain how someone crashes their estrogen by injecting the same exact amount more frequently even though their levels are much higher than trough on less frequent injections.
Also explain why everyone on daily injections that has posted labs has both T & E levels higher than previously tested at trough on less frequent injections.
Then sell me on it.
I was commenting on how calling it “dailies” sounds like something a little girl would say. Can you imagine a grown man calling injections “injecties” or a dog “a doggy” or does that sound like a little girl?
How many folks have you seen with a 2000 total T whose E2 levels were 19 (1/4 of 77) without an AI?
I was 5’9 135 lbs until I turned about 28. I was only overweight for about 3-4 years of my life mainly due to extreme lifestyle. Right now I’m at around 18% bf. For me to maintain 187 lbs I have to eat 2-3 lbs of super fatty pork & 2-3 white potatoes per day. If a normal person ate what I ate they’d probably be fat. It’s not an ideal diet but I’m able to get away with it. So what are you saying?
I’m about to smoke this week’s meat.
Is this another Dexter’s Ho’s thread now?
I call BS. I saw your picture where you show the delt injection spot. You’re a lot leaner and more cut than 18%.
Aha! Trying to trick us!
Btw, you don’t look a percent over 17% bf.
Plot twist. Maybe I really am Jeff Cavaliere.
I hope you just started lifting, otherwise you proved once again how ignorant you are.
I’ve been lifting since I was 16 and I saw guys on steroids the double of my size not able to match my 6 reps max on the big 4. Not even close, even when my total T was 200 something.
Never heard of the contribution of the central nervous system on weight lifting? Never heard about something called technique?
