Pretty good read
SPOILERS:
saw it last night.
GO SEE IT. AMAZING.
Watch this movie now.
Mind fucking type of movie
[quote]Enders Drift wrote:
[quote]A Ninny Mouse wrote:
^^ I’m pretty sure it was meant to be left up in the air. I really liked the movie. I agree with what roybot said a couple pages back about nolan doing a good job at casting against type. I initially thought leonardo dicaprio was too pretty boy to pull it off, but I thought he did a good job. [/quote]
I never understand when people say Leonardo DiCaprio is a pretty boy. He was in what? 1 I guess you could argue 3 pretty boy roles? Titanic, Romeo and Juliet, and The Beach (and I’m not too sure Romeo and Juliet or The Beach are really pretty boy roles)
He was great in “What’s Eating Gilbert Great” and then I think has been rising more and more since “Gangs of New York” - I mean Blood Diamond, The Departed, Aviator. Personally I really enjoy Catch Me If You Can as well. These were not pretty boy flicks. I’m not even sure Leonardo was cast against type, this seems very much in line with some of his past work - if anything Titanic is probably the most out of type role he’s played in. Almost every other role has some sort of element of psychology/dementia/disability to it that DiCaprio seems to excel at.[/quote]
Eh, wasn’t a knock on him as an actor. It’s cuz he’s got a weak jawline lol. I don’t think he can pull off the scruffy look lol. BTW it’s “What’s eating Gilbert GRAPE” not trying to be a spelling nazi but that kind of bugged me lol.
woops my bad, I know its What’s Eating Gilbert Grape just slipped - thats not really a spelling mistake that just a slip of words in my thought process. I wrote a report on it for some class I had to take as a freshman in college.
[quote]A Ninny Mouse wrote:
[quote]Enders Drift wrote:
[quote]A Ninny Mouse wrote:
^^ I’m pretty sure it was meant to be left up in the air. I really liked the movie. I agree with what roybot said a couple pages back about nolan doing a good job at casting against type. I initially thought leonardo dicaprio was too pretty boy to pull it off, but I thought he did a good job. [/quote]
I never understand when people say Leonardo DiCaprio is a pretty boy. He was in what? 1 I guess you could argue 3 pretty boy roles? Titanic, Romeo and Juliet, and The Beach (and I’m not too sure Romeo and Juliet or The Beach are really pretty boy roles)
He was great in “What’s Eating Gilbert Great” and then I think has been rising more and more since “Gangs of New York” - I mean Blood Diamond, The Departed, Aviator. Personally I really enjoy Catch Me If You Can as well. These were not pretty boy flicks. I’m not even sure Leonardo was cast against type, this seems very much in line with some of his past work - if anything Titanic is probably the most out of type role he’s played in. Almost every other role has some sort of element of psychology/dementia/disability to it that DiCaprio seems to excel at.[/quote]
Eh, wasn’t a knock on him as an actor. It’s cuz he’s got a weak jawline lol. I don’t think he can pull off the scruffy look lol.
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Stop being so picky. I think he looks the part in most of the movies he is in. He is a great actor and i’m also glad he stays away from stupid chick flick movies.
What a confusing movie. This movie made me feel retarded. I understood the concept, but the movie itself is so layered that it’s hard to even summarize it. I really didn’t like it, but I still do think that CN is extremely talented. Also, the DP of this movie did an excellent job. You can tell that it’s the same guy who did the dark night and the prestige. Also, SPOILERS BELOW*
Michael Caine is in the movie for like three minutes. That kind of pissed me off. When you advertise that a movie has Michael Caine in it, you should put him in the dam thing for at least twenty minutes.
I didn’t fully understand why Ellen Page’s character was in it. She’s an architect that needed to design some kind of maze?? Why??
And how the hell can someone go into another person’s dream? They didn’t really explain how that little machine worked. And was the end a dream or reality? I’ll be honest with you guys, I think some of you are just pretending to understand it. Can we just say that this movie is more of a frustrating mind bender than a Suspenseful thriller?
Spoiler:
OMG We’re not in reality we’re in a dream, no wait we’re in a dream in a dream, no wait we’re in a dream in another dream in another zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I believe the architect, Ellen Page, when she was in someone else’s dream, that she would alter it into more of a maze in order for them to be able accomplish their task for that level, by making it more difficult for the projections to get to them.
[quote]Stength4life wrote:
I didn’t fully understand why Ellen Page’s character was in it. She’s an architect that needed to design some kind of maze?? Why??
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(these are all my guesses)
Regarding Ellen Page as the Architect, in the dream someone has to construct the artificial dream for the target (the person being extracted or having an idea imputed). The dream must be real for the target, yet under the control of the invaders.
Regarding “understanding the machine” and “how you can invade a dream,” you honestly just have to suspend belief and enter the world of the movie. It is not reality that we know, it is the world of the movie. Its a true blue science fiction film, it doesnt have to be explained fully. Yes, it is hard to understand, but if you can accept the reality the movie creates, then you accept the machine and what it can do.
BTW, dude, they share a dream because they are all hooked to the same machine. Thats how it works (in the movie reality).
Never heard of a cliffhanger/twist ending? Decide for yourself, is he in limbo, a dream, or reality? I personally believe he is in reality. In every dream sequence he is wearing a wedding ring showing his inability to accept his wife’s death. In every implied reality sequence, he is not wearing a wedding ring because she is dead. In the final scene, he is not wearing his wedding ring, thus the totem top began to tip slightly.
[quote]Stength4life wrote:
And how the hell can someone go into another person’s dream? They didn’t really explain how that little machine worked. And was the end a dream or reality? I’ll be honest with you guys, I think some of you are just pretending to understand it. Can we just say that this movie is more of a frustrating mind bender than a Suspenseful thriller?
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Most of this was not explained. And I agree. I think the movie might have some cool thoughts to ponder but ain’t that great I think some people just love anything thats meant to be confusing.
Also as soon as I saw him pick the gun up a bit and saw him spin the top I knew what it was for and that he’d kill himself to wake himself up.
Here are some of the cool things to ponder…bout the top
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He told the girl about how the top works, which you are not supposed to do because you wouldn’t be able to tell if your in there dream, could he have ever been in her dream and not known.
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If you know the reality of the top in the real world, it will act as it does in the real world within your dream, so anytime the top falls you know dicaprio is not in someone elses dream but he can always be in his dream, I think nolan may have made a mistake here, at the end it’s supposed to leave it open, if it is a dream it will not fall or if not it will, but if it was dicaprios dream it would still fall.
Dicaprio says himself it will not stop spinning if he’s in SOMEONE ELSE’s dream, seems like a hitch in the movie to me cuz it makes it meaningless for a lot of scenes (just restating this)
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Back to point one he told the girl bout the thing so in her dream the top would now fall and seem real, so at any point after this that the top shows is real could dicaprio have been in her dream?
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I didn;t pay attention to what the top did (if anything) before the gun scene where he is kind of bringing the gun to his head did any of this give away that he was or wasn’t dreaming at anytime.
^ wedding ring damn awesome catch.
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]Stength4life wrote:
I didn’t fully understand why Ellen Page’s character was in it. She’s an architect that needed to design some kind of maze?? Why??
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Never heard of a cliffhanger/twist ending? Decide for yourself, is he in limbo, a dream, or reality? I personally believe he is in reality. In every dream sequence he is wearing a wedding ring showing his inability to accept his wife’s death. In every implied reality sequence, he is not wearing a wedding ring because she is dead. In the final scene, he is not wearing his wedding ring, thus the totem top began to tip slightly. [/quote]
I never caught the wedding ring thing, might have to go see it again just for that.
Dylan, you’re confused about the totum. It was explained that in reality the top would fall, but in dreams [no matter who’s] it wouldn’t.
That makes sense and is what I assumed, but I couldda swore he said “I can tell if I’m in someone elses dream.” to the girl, what you say makes more sense, but then why can no one else know about how it is supposed to fall (he tells the girl not to tell him, the other guy won’t show the dice).
Also does touching it ruin it (not sure if he says this) cuz the old asian man touches it at the beggining/end meaning it wouldn’t matter what it did at the end.
You know I didn’t like the movie while watching it but it’s cool wondering about the top etc. afterwards
[quote]Stength4life wrote:
What a confusing movie. This movie made me feel retarded. I understood the concept, but the movie itself is so layered that it’s hard to even summarize it. I really didn’t like it, but I still do think that CN is extremely talented. Also, the DP of this movie did an excellent job. You can tell that it’s the same guy who did the dark night and the prestige. Also, SPOILERS BELOW*
Michael Caine is in the movie for like three minutes. That kind of pissed me off. When you advertise that a movie has Michael Caine in it, you should put him in the dam thing for at least twenty minutes.
I didn’t fully understand why Ellen Page’s character was in it. She’s an architect that needed to design some kind of maze?? Why??
And how the hell can someone go into another person’s dream? They didn’t really explain how that little machine worked. And was the end a dream or reality? I’ll be honest with you guys, I think some of you are just pretending to understand it. Can we just say that this movie is more of a frustrating mind bender than a Suspenseful thriller?
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Glad someone agrees with me.
Also he accepted his wife being gone. I he lives in a dream fantasy world, it is with his kids not her, so the ring would still be gone.
Another thing that made absolutely no sense whatsoever.
There is a scene where Leo is in Africa, (maybe he’s looking for a blood diamond tehe) and these guys start chasing him and are shooting at him. WHo were those guys, why were they chasing him, and why was he even in Africa for Fucksake? Kind of random. It was like one second him and Ellen are hanging out and then he goes “I’ll be back, I’m going to Africa.”
What a movie. Leo is quickly becoming the finest actor of this generation. Just wow.