[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Oh please, why don’t you just cinch up your suit go to an SPF meet and add some pounds to your total. You just sounds jealous.[/quote]
I think you misunderstood my point here. My point is that I can wear a squat suit and squat way under ‘parallel’ with it so the implied notion, by some, of multiply gear incapable of reaching depth is not accurate.
I’m also getting the vibe that you think I am defending this bullshit, which I am not and clearly said so before. or maybe this is one of those examples of needing a sarcasm font ? IDk.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Oh please, why don’t you just cinch up your suit go to an SPF meet and add some pounds to your total. You just sounds jealous.[/quote]
I think you misunderstood my point here. My point is that I can wear a squat suit and squat way under ‘parallel’ with it so the implied notion, by some, of multiply gear incapable of reaching depth is not accurate.
I’m also getting the vibe that you think I am defending this bullshit, which I am not and clearly said so before. or maybe this is one of those examples of needing a sarcasm font ? IDk.
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Yeah, reading my post again, I think I sounded more asshole than I meant and less sarcastic/joking than intended.
I personally don’t see the big difference between adding more and better gear and loosening the depth standards.
I understand that you are coming out against the higher depth of some multi-ply feds. What I’m noting is that I just plain don’t get why you’d draw the line there. Just seems like another way to add some pounds to the bar to me.
Maybe they just need to create another division to put your mind at ease. It could be a multi-ply reduced ROM division. =0)
When thinking of BS judging people generally flame multi-ply first because lets face it, there is more BS judging in multi-ply. Sure there are some feds that have strict judging, but as a whole a lot more junk is passed through multi-ply than raw or single. Honestly you dont see nearly as many dudes burying squats in gear as you do raw.
It’s foolish to say you don’t care about the standards because it is another fed. We’re all in this together and it would everything much easier if standards were actually enforced.
[quote]deepsquats220 wrote:
When thinking of BS judging people generally flame multi-ply first because lets face it, there is more BS judging in multi-ply. Sure there are some feds that have strict judging, but as a whole a lot more junk is passed through multi-ply than raw or single. Honestly you dont see nearly as many dudes burying squats in gear as you do raw.
It’s foolish to say you don’t care about the standards because it is another fed. We’re all in this together and it would everything much easier if standards were actually enforced. [/quote]
I hear what you’re saying but they (raw and geared squats) are two different animals. The reason you see raw guys generally squatting deeper than required, from my understanding and experience, is that in a raw squat stopping at parallel as defined by the rule book is quite hard. It’s ‘easier’ to go rock bottom and take advantage of the tremendous stretch reflex that affords the lifter. At least that’s the way it is for me. I lift raw 99% of the time by the way. It’s kind of like when deadlifting if you “bounce” the weight off the floor. With the support of the gear the lifts dynamics are totally changed.
[quote]deepsquats220 wrote:
When thinking of BS judging people generally flame multi-ply first because lets face it, there is more BS judging in multi-ply. Sure there are some feds that have strict judging, but as a whole a lot more junk is passed through multi-ply than raw or single. Honestly you dont see nearly as many dudes burying squats in gear as you do raw.
It’s foolish to say you don’t care about the standards because it is another fed. We’re all in this together and it would everything much easier if standards were actually enforced. [/quote]
But we aren’t all in this together though.
To me, it’s like getting upset over someone playing Monopoly with house rules. This is just a game, and I’m playing for fun. If I don’t like high squats, that means that, when I compete, I squat to depth. If other folks don’t want to do that, and they join a fed that allows them to, then that’s cool.
I’m a fan of the raw lifts. Strict rules. We know these guys are strong. Strongest one percent in the world e ven…but that wasn’t a full squat. Period.
[quote]barbedwired wrote:
I’m a fan of the raw lifts. Strict rules. We know these guys are strong. Strongest one percent in the world e ven…but that wasn’t a full squat. Period.[/quote]
There are 71+ million people who are amongst the world’s strongest one percent. We can give these guys a little more credit than that, even if their “squats” are higher than you or I would like.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I heard Lilley in an interview once, denounce one of his own squats for being to high.[/quote]
If you’re talking about Brandon Lily, then think about this:
He was accused of using a blast shirt under two t-shirts (most definitely used to conceal said blast shirt) to bench in the raw division at a supertraining meet a while back. It seemed to have been an issue that naturally fizzled out, but to denounce his own squat later in light of all of this would be a smart move by him.
If you read The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene, you’ll notice Lily used one of the EXACT ideas in the books; Build a reputation of being righteous and truthful in the eyes of the public, so you can lie and deceive when you get the chance.
In PL terms, that translates into the following: “In the light of all these atrociously high squats being passed in todays PL meets, I’ll be the bigger man and publicly denounce one of my questionably high squats so I can get away with pulling shit like using gear in a raw division.”
As for someone suggesting using electric equipment on the hip and knee and all that jazz… LOL… it’s powerlifting, not the America’s Cup. Would you spend an extra X amount of money (on top of the already high price of meet entry fees) for your own knee and hip sensors? I doubt it. You can’t just have one set and switch between lifters, as PL meets are already painfully slow moving in the first place.
Really, PLing (raw, single ply, and multi-ply), is just fuckin’ stupid. And this is coming from a powerlifter.
[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
I heard Lilley in an interview once, denounce one of his own squats for being to high.[/quote]
If you’re talking about Brandon Lily, then think about this:
He was accused of using a blast shirt under two t-shirts (most definitely used to conceal said blast shirt) to bench in the raw division at a supertraining meet a while back. It seemed to have been an issue that naturally fizzled out, but to denounce his own squat later in light of all of this would be a smart move by him.[/quote]
Lol my training partners and I don’t use boards very often, but whenever we do we usually just stick the 2-board under our shirt to hold it in place. We call them Hoff presses haha.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
If you’re talking about Brandon Lily, then think about this:
He was accused of using a blast shirt under two t-shirts (most definitely used to conceal said blast shirt) to bench in the raw division at a supertraining meet a while back. It seemed to have been an issue that naturally fizzled out, but to denounce his own squat later in light of all of this would be a smart move by him.[/quote]
As for this:
“Certain people passed around a photo of me at the SuperTraining meet wearing a black shirt underneath a grey shirt. That is fact. It looks bad, that is fact. I was wearing a black Berea Barbell Tshirt sized XL, as I always bench like that, and Jessie Burdick gave me a CSA Gym shirt. Out of respect to Jessie I put it on in front of everyone there just as I was about to bench. The picture not shown is me walking around talking to other lifters, Cara Westin at the scorers table, and a picture of the two shirts sticking out the back of my singlet. Everyone I have spoken to at the meet laughs this off, but a few people like to cause problems and that’s their deal. I benched 540 lbs. in May at 305 lbs. in a cutoff Elite Cock Strong Tshirt, all my training videos are up online, I benched 565 lbs. in my Berea Barbell tshirt the week before California. I weighed 328 in California and benched 33 lbs more than in May. Not to mention Pat Helber handed off to me in Columbus, and while I trained at Lexen and benched 'mid 5’s there routinely. On to Dave’s post (he’s referencing a tweet by Dave Tate here) I messaged him about it because as Billy said a lot of people think they know stuff, and Dave’s reply was this “I was not referring to you.” And to paraphrase the rest a lifter was seen to be wearing a shirt with a clear Inzer logo on the sleeve. Now if anyone has further questions
I would recommend messaging Jesse Rogers, Mark Bell, Cara Westin, or Jessie Burdick. For those of you that spread speculation as fact it sucks but that’s how the world is. Thank you.
Brandon”
I’ll give Brandon the benefit of the doubt here. I don’t think he had a blast shirt on in that meet.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Lol my training partners and I don’t use boards very often, but whenever we do we usually just stick the 2-board under our shirt to hold it in place. We call them Hoff presses haha.[/quote]
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
As for Hoff’s squat, yeah that was ridiculous.
As for someone suggesting using electric equipment on the hip and knee and all that jazz… LOL… it’s powerlifting, not the America’s Cup. Would you spend an extra X amount of money (on top of the already high price of meet entry fees) for your own knee and hip sensors? I doubt it. You can’t just have one set and switch between lifters, as PL meets are already painfully slow moving in the first place.
Really, PLing (raw, single ply, and multi-ply), is just fuckin’ stupid. And this is coming from a powerlifter.[/quote]
You wouldn’t need anything electric. If the camera was set up in the proper plane, you’d need two cheap sensors for each lifter. Get 3 sets and you don’t slow the pace of the meet, and again, problem solved.
Demand is already shifting emphasis off this. I know they can loudly say he has the biggest total, but I don’t hear people really caring about it much. Online and at the gym we all talk about Dan Green, Tuscherer, and the other impressive raw lifters. Powerlifters’ interest will regulate where the minor money and fame or whatever goes. And a big lol @ what the general public will think. I think the general public’s understanding of strength sports only relates to how good the athlete’s abs look.
csulli ; I watched a 3 part podcast with Brandon, and Paul over at Lift Run Bang,(while ago) and I think thats where he was talking about it. Paul said a number that Brandon had squated, and he said he didn’t count that lift because when he watched it latter it was way high, somthing along these lines. Never heard about the shirt thing, it doesn’t really fit his personality, to me, but who knows anymore.
I’m all for these guys switching over to raw feds. Like browndisaster said I personally think of the strongest guys as the raw guys ; Green, Tuscherer, Nera (Canadian boy) It’s fun to watch some world record lifter’s make the swicth to raw lifting, and how much they lose (still freaking strong) but it makes a 1500 raw total atleast seem respectable again. I trhought Brandon Lily made the switch as well, could be wrong, and it could be because he was sick of these stories.
Either way lots of old PLers denouncing geared meets lately, and resetting theyre totals raw, good sign. Id want to distance myself from things like this as well. Kirk came out of retirement after ten years just to bring support to raw feds, best raw squater of all time, back in action.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
He was accused of using a blast shirt under two t-shirts (most definitely used to conceal said blast shirt) to bench in the raw division at a supertraining meet a while back. It seemed to have been an issue that naturally fizzled out, but to denounce his own squat later in light of all of this would be a smart move by him.
If you read The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene, you’ll notice Lily used one of the EXACT ideas in the books; Build a reputation of being righteous and truthful in the eyes of the public, so you can lie and deceive when you get the chance.[/quote]
I don’t know if you’ve ever spoken to Brandon, but I don’t think he would be familiar with that particular book. He’s a pretty clever guy, but having been around him he is pretty (brutally) honest and typically says what he thinks. I can’t imagine him saying things like that to put himself in a position of righteousness. And I certainly don’t think he is political enough to read that book and plan it out like that.
That being said, do you think he had a shirt on at that meet? I’ve seen the video, and while it looks bad I can’t see how that could happen. Nobody saw him put it on in the warmup room? Nobody questioned him at the meet? Those blast shirts aren’t easy to get on either. He’s since gone to hit larger numbers in a tank top – probably to remove all doubt.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
In PL terms, that translates into the following: “In the light of all these atrociously high squats being passed in todays PL meets, I’ll be the bigger man and publicly denounce one of my questionably high squats so I can get away with pulling shit like using gear in a raw division.”
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Maybe? But I don’t see it. Like I said, he’s gone to hit bigger benches in recent meets.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
He was accused of using a blast shirt under two t-shirts (most definitely used to conceal said blast shirt) to bench in the raw division at a supertraining meet a while back. It seemed to have been an issue that naturally fizzled out, but to denounce his own squat later in light of all of this would be a smart move by him.
If you read The 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene, you’ll notice Lily used one of the EXACT ideas in the books; Build a reputation of being righteous and truthful in the eyes of the public, so you can lie and deceive when you get the chance.[/quote]
I don’t know if you’ve ever spoken to Brandon, but I don’t think he would be familiar with that particular book. He’s a pretty clever guy, but having been around him he is pretty (brutally) honest and typically says what he thinks. I can’t imagine him saying things like that to put himself in a position of righteousness. And I certainly don’t think he is political enough to read that book and plan it out like that.
That being said, do you think he had a shirt on at that meet? I’ve seen the video, and while it looks bad I can’t see how that could happen. Nobody saw him put it on in the warmup room? Nobody questioned him at the meet? Those blast shirts aren’t easy to get on either. He’s since gone to hit larger numbers in a tank top – probably to remove all doubt.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
In PL terms, that translates into the following: “In the light of all these atrociously high squats being passed in todays PL meets, I’ll be the bigger man and publicly denounce one of my questionably high squats so I can get away with pulling shit like using gear in a raw division.”
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Maybe? But I don’t see it. Like I said, he’s gone to hit bigger benches in recent meets.[/quote]
I met brandon at the backyard meet, and saw him during his benches. I can gaurantee you that he was not wearing a blast shirt under his regular shirt. I saw him during warmups and walking around, brief thing is ridiculous too
[quote]deepsquats220 wrote:
When thinking of BS judging people generally flame multi-ply first because lets face it, there is more BS judging in multi-ply. Sure there are some feds that have strict judging, but as a whole a lot more junk is passed through multi-ply than raw or single. Honestly you dont see nearly as many dudes burying squats in gear as you do raw.
It’s foolish to say you don’t care about the standards because it is another fed. We’re all in this together and it would everything much easier if standards were actually enforced. [/quote]
But we aren’t all in this together though.
To me, it’s like getting upset over someone playing Monopoly with house rules. This is just a game, and I’m playing for fun. If I don’t like high squats, that means that, when I compete, I squat to depth. If other folks don’t want to do that, and they join a fed that allows them to, then that’s cool.[/quote]
I understand what you are saying, but wouldn’t it be so much easier if all the feds were consistent and you could just determine who the actual strongest lifter was (comparing different feds) by just looking at numbers? I understand you are always going to have tolerances and the judging will never be the exact same. Just seems silly to me that it’s like well this dude squatted 650 in usapl but this dude did 725 in spf so who is truly stronger. I like your thoughts that you don’t care when its not your fed, and I have some of the same thoughts. It just discredits powerlifting in my eyes, might be stupid but it does.
Too much caring about shit out of our control here.
Everyone in this thread should probably focus on getting stronger before critiquing feds. I mean honestly, unless you are on the verge of setting records, or have 100% confidence you will within a few years, or train with someone who will make records, in the end it doesn’t really matter for you.
We need an objective way to look at stuff? I have my own two fucking eyes and a brain that can read and use google and youtube. I can watch Hoff’s squat and I know it’s high. Whether or not it gets into powerliftingwatch.com has little to do with the formulation of my opinion.
Facts:
That squat wasn’t parallel.
It got passed.
Make whatever you wish of it. But unless you’re actually on the platform and close to setting records, debating the politics of powerlifting is waste of your time.
