[quote]georgeb wrote:
romanaz wrote:
whats sad is that there are more 1000lb bench press’s in gear then there are 1000lb deadlifts. To me that is absolute bullshit.
HAHAHA! Let’s see… 1 1000lb deadlifter, aaaand 3 1000lb benches. Absolute Bullshit![/quote]
Well, considering that the SSC and suit elastics favor the bench and squat over deadlifts, I can see why this all percieved as bullshit.
[quote]Ramo wrote:
But I think there’s a little bit of overanalysis in general on this thread. Honestly, with a 405 pull (and I’m not slamming it, I was there not too long ago,) the issue isn’t a proportionately weak muscle group, or some defect in programming to be corrected. Just deadlift weekly, cycle your weights, be patient, and let yourself get stronger. Don’t keep looking for advanced methods or you will be spinning your wheels. The simplest solution is usually the best.[/quote]
Excellent post. Hell, this advice could be applied to half the threads on this site.
My apologies, I’m a bit new to the forums and didn’t realize that some information is just beaten into the ground and not worth linking or talking about.
Oh well, I’ll do as you suggest and keep to myself and let those more experienced and knowledgeable help others.
[quote]Syncharmony wrote:
Yeah. I am sick of these kind of posts.
I am pretty sure we can all read and I think it is safe to say we are all aware of these articles. If you don’t have anything to offer beyond a regurgitation of an article you read and telling him to bring up his ‘posterior chain’, keep it to yourself.
My apologies, I’m a bit new to the forums and didn’t realize that some information is just beaten into the ground and not worth linking or talking about.
Oh well, I’ll do as you suggest and keep to myself and let those more experienced and knowledgeable help others.[/quote]
Well, I was probably a little harsh. I wasn’t trying to preclude you from participating and understand why you posted what you did.
There are times when threads like these just become an exercise in contributors parroting things they have read on elitefts.com, with no real attempt to evaluate the individuality of the situation, or any indication of even some basic applied knowledge on the topic and I find it annoying.
Welcome to the site. Don’t let me discourage you.
Done and done. Thanks a million you guys, I’ll just keep it simple; maybe drop the weight a little and pull more for reps.
I’m heading to the gym right now, and although it’s not a deadlift day I’ll try and catch a video of it. If there’s any major hitch in my form hopefully ya’ll can catch it. I’ll have the video up later tonight.
Watch Gillingham pull, very much quad/lower back dominant, so yes if thats how you pull front squats will help a great deal, but thats not saying they will be one of the best supplementary exercises for all deadlifters.
Stick to the basics as outlined above, no need to get pulled into advanced techniques when your still at a fairly novice level in your deadlifting career. New techniques can be tacked on with weight increments.
[quote]georgeb wrote:
romanaz wrote:
whats sad is that there are more 1000lb bench press’s in gear then there are 1000lb deadlifts. To me that is absolute bullshit.
HAHAHA! Let’s see… 1 1000lb deadlifter, aaaand 3 1000lb benches. Absolute Bullshit![/quote]
in the real world (raw world that is), you will 9 times out of 10 find guys who deadlift more then they bench. In the Geared multi ply world, its ass backwards.
[quote]romanaz wrote:
georgeb wrote:
romanaz wrote:
whats sad is that there are more 1000lb bench press’s in gear then there are 1000lb deadlifts. To me that is absolute bullshit.
HAHAHA! Let’s see… 1 1000lb deadlifter, aaaand 3 1000lb benches. Absolute Bullshit!
in the real world (raw world that is), you will 9 times out of 10 find guys who deadlift more then they bench. In the Geared multi ply world, its ass backwards.
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I’m a raw powerlifter and I wouldn’t even claim that the raw world is the “real world.” It is NOT ass backwards, it’s their decision how they compete, and that is all. Anything else is your opinion and I’m guessing that you’ve never even been to a powerlifting meet, so I don’t know why you seem to think that you are an authority on the matter.
-Matt
[quote]romanaz wrote:
georgeb wrote:
romanaz wrote:
whats sad is that there are more 1000lb bench press’s in gear then there are 1000lb deadlifts. To me that is absolute bullshit.
HAHAHA! Let’s see… 1 1000lb deadlifter, aaaand 3 1000lb benches. Absolute Bullshit!
in the real world (raw world that is), you will 9 times out of 10 find guys who deadlift more then they bench. In the Geared multi ply world, its ass backwards.
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What multi-plied world is this? There are some unreal benchers out there. But if we ignore the 800lb+ bench freaks for a second- among the guys that are benching in the 4’s, 5’s, and most guys in the 6’s and 7’s, their deadlift typically is ahead their bench.
This pull>bench oddity is only partly true because of gear mastery. The other factor that comes into play is that these guys are strong benchers and weak pullers without gear. I have two training partners that have just crossed this bench/deadlift rubicon. One is a both bench and pull in the mid 6’s in full gear. Both are easily 500 lb raw benchers. However, I question if either can pull 6 without gear. Compare this to most strong guy sout there and 150-250lb speads between the two unequipped lifts are the norm. From my experience, I can pull 625 with just a belt any damn day. But, I doubt I have a raw 400 bench in me.
Another point to ponder- gains on pulls and benching happen differently. Guys who train their shirted bench will typically make consistant progress for a very long time. Yes, there are plateaus, but if you keep trying new things- training lifts, technique, etc.- gains will come. In fact, you can ususally increase your bench, just by gaining 20 lbs of pure blubber. This true raw benching and shirted banching. On the other hand, the deadlift gains are very elusive after a point.
I see a lot of guys get to about a 700lb pull early in their lifting career/hobby, with gains pretty much stopping after that point even as their other lifts go up. It’s simply the nature of the lift. Guys that pull 900 are really special. These are typicaly guys that pulled high 700s and low 800s as juniors- Wohleber, Bolton, Konstantinovs, etc.
Compare that to benching where we routinely see average benchers become great benchers over time. Given the nature of the two lifts, let’s say that 5 years ago you benched 518 in a meet and pulled 722. I wouldn’t be amazed if you are benching 694 now, but I would be astounded if you were pulling 804.