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I am the most non religious person on this planet. I don’t really believe in any kind of organized religion but that’s a whole other opinion of mine. I respect the opinions I read, no matter how small minded. There is a time and place for this kind of talk and it’s definately not here. Start a group on Yahoo or send personal emails. Sure, the forum is like a radio or a tv, if I don’t like what I’m listening too/seeing, change the channel. After going through these long posts on religion I know to not click on this thread. What does suck is when I try to find a forum topic that I saw a few days ago and these long talks about religion push the topic I was looking for out of the mix. Respectfully, please take this shit elsewhere. I asking the moderator that actually reviews the messages before they go out, filter this kind of talk. Religion and weights, I don’t see the connection.

If you really want to continue this (and I’d like to give my 2 cents, let me know and I will create a message board somewhere, perhaps egroups or yahoo)

Amen :slight_smile:

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I hope that no one, will look at what Jason Baran writes and believe that his words are what Jesus taught. His Biblical passages are skewed, taken out of context, and all in all changed to relay his own message of hate. Please don’t think this is what Jesus is about - do your own research. I will from this point on refuse to comment on this matter because I’m here to learn about weight lifting and nutrition, not to preach. If I thought anything productive would come out of arguing with a fool, I would continue. All in all, I would rather speak with a Jew (they are STILL chosen ones of God btw)who doesn’t believe that Jesus is the Messiah, than someone who believes Jesus, but has missed the entire heart behind his teachings. I doubt with every part of me that Jason is anything other than a nominal (by name only) believer in Jesus. I will leave you with a few verses that I personally feel relate to Jason Baran. If you don’t feel like reading words from the Bible, you may stop reading now. "The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If the light within you is darkness, how great the darkness! (matt 6:22-23) “So in everything do unto others what you would have them do unto you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.” (matt 7:12)“No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart, his mouth speaks.” (luke 6:43,45)

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This thread should never have gotten this long. Certain individuals are not wanted and they should be shown through a steady stream of silence.

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Fellow T-Men and T-Vixens, I asked Mr. Baran to respond to my first post above, you know, the very long one. And he did: “T-Teen, your long post is nothing but a marvel of obfuscation and irrelevant drivel. I have no interest in it, I’m not impressed by it, and I have no intention of responding to it.”

It is funny because I wondered how Jason could possibly respond to it with counterattack facts and logic. He didn’t! He couldn’t! In other words, he had no clue what to say! In my opinion I defeated him and I conquered him. A 17 year old won him, but this is not another ordinary 17 year old, this is a T-Teen, living up to the standards of character and respect given by my fellow T-Men and T-Vixens!

I gave him the benefit of the doubt that perhaps he might have a hint of intelligence. However, he said my post was irrelevant! It addressed his post above line by line but it was irrelevant! Jason is hilarious!

However, if any fellow T-Man or T-Vixen has the time (and as T-Men and T-Vixens we sure as hell know how to make time to do something if we want to!), please read my first post above and let me know what YOU think. Do you find it "nothing but a marvel of obfuscation and irrelevant drivel" like Jason? I would seriously appreciate anyone's response to it. Hell, I would be grateful for anyone to take the time to read it in the first place! Thank You and live on in T-Dom!!!

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“One can only be sure in their own mind” is a quote by a good teen named Mike, and it applies here.

t-teen, what you are advocating here is relativism: the belief that there is no absolute truth, there are only different perspectives and opinions…none of which can be argued against because, well, as einstein said, everything is relative.

in this case, relativism is a very dangerous position. jason can say whatever he wants and he can be right in his mind. same with you. same with everybody. once you deny the possibility of an absolute truth, you can't carry on any type of logical argument because everybody is right. perhaps this is way jason didnt respond...but then again, i cant claim to know how a wacko thinks. and i could give two shits if he laughs at me for name-calling. at least i dont sit in my house all day and read century-old funk&wagnells. what a loser...hahahahahaha.

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ironbabe,

I was really getting an itch to respond to this thread but u said it well. thank you.

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 Who cares!!?  Who thinks Jason needs a woman instead of MuscleMag?
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Wow, Brock can’t stop telling lies for a second. Here is the Scriptural account of the crucifixion of Christ. The Jews killed Christ, and they are cursed by God for doing so. Hence, the destruction of the Temple and the dispersion. Here is Scripture: “And from henceforth Pilate sought to release him. But the Jews cried out, saying: if thou release this man, thou art not Caesar’s friend. For whosoever maketh himself a king, speaketh against Caesar… And it was the parasceve of the pasch, about the sixth hour, and he saith to the Jews: Behold your king. But they cried out: Away with him; crucify him.” (St. John 19:12, 14-15) “Pilate saith to them (The Jews): What shall I do with Jesus that is called Christ? They say all: Let him be crucified. And Pilate seeing that he prevailed nothing, but that rather a tumult was made; taking water washed his hands before the people, saying: I am innocent of the blood of this just man; look you to it. And the whole people (Jews) answering, said: HIS BLOOD BE UPON US AND UPON OUR CHILDREN.” (St. Matthew 27:22-25)

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Here’s what Judaism teaches. Here are some quotes from the Talmud. The Talmud has been condemned by eight Catholic Popes and even the heresiarch Martin Luther ordered it burned. You’re about to see why:

Sanhedrin 59a: Murdering Goyim (non-Jews) is like killing a wild animal.

Abodah Zara 26b: Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.

Libbre David 37: To communicate anything to a Goy (non-Jew) about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim (non-Jews) knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

Zohar 1, 160a: Jews must always try to deceive Christians.

Gittin 57a: Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in hot semen. Christians are boiled in dung.

Sanhedrin 59a: A Goy (non-Jew) who pries into the law (The Talmud) is guilty of death.

Hilkhoth Akum (X,1): Do not have pity for them, for it is said (Deuter. VII,2):Show no mercy unto them. Therefore, if you see an Akum (non-Jew) in difficulty or drowning, do not go to his help. And if he is in danger of death, do not save him from death. But it is not right to kill him by your own hand by shoving them into a well or in some other way, since they are not at war with us.

Babha Kama (113b): The name of God is not profaned when, for example, a Jew lies to a Goi (non-Jew) by saying: ‘I gave something to your father, but he is dead; you must return it to me,’ as long as the Goi does not know that you are lying.

Midrasch Talpioth (fol. 225d): God created them in the form of men for the Glory of Israel. But Akum (non-Jews) were created for the sole end of ministering unto them [the Jews] day and night. Nor can they ever be relieved from this service. It is becoming to the son of a king [an Israelite] that animals in their natural form, and ANIMALS IN THE FORM OF HUMAN BEINGS should minister unto him."

I could go on and on exposing Brock’s satanic racket he calls a “religion.”

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Dang, guys…I’m still upset about the Santa Clause thing…is there REALLY no Santa Clause??? :(—

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The man is a bore. Let’s just ignore him and get back to surge, GVT, ART, Westside Barbell, etc. Ignorant certifiable types never think they’ve lost. Kudos to Brock, t- teen, ironbabe etc. There’s a lot of brains and character on this board. Let’s keep it that way.

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Steve1924, you are right. In your mind. In my mind you are wrong. Just kidding. No, seriously, you got me there in that I didn’t realize how people would interpret that. Absolute truth exists. By saying one can only be sure in their own mind I meant that a person will believe what they want to believe whether or not it is absolutely true. You see, in Jason’s mind he is right and in my mind I am right, but obviously one of us is wrong. Absolute truth is that which is real at all times and all places. I believe that the absolute truth here is that I am right. I mentioned the miniscule possibility that he may be right because on some topics we human beings can’t for sure say what the absolute truth is (and in some instances there may be no absolute truth) and therefore we end up with opinions. Of course I did this just to be fair and I have no doubt that I am right and that Judaism is not what he claims. I hope I did a better job communicating what I wanted to say now. But Steve, I am impressed that not only did you read my post but that you read it with such an incredibly keen and observant eye!

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“If I could explain the actions of irrational people, they wouldn’t be irrational”–Arthur Jones. Drop this fucking thread people!

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Holy Numbnuts Batman,
Jason,
Your hatred, disdain, ingnorance of other races and religions is appalling.

I have a question for you.
Do you have a job?

Why I ask this is because if you don’t you have no right or excuse in this world to blame any group, race. religion out there for your own downfall in society.

Everytime I see someone spout off this kind of bullshit blaming the woes of the world on(insert race,religious group here) 99% of the time it comes from someone who sits on there ass all day contributing nothing to society.

And if this guy is mental and on meds I don’t care there is no excuse!!! Lots of people who have manic depression or other ailments deal with it and are productive members of society.

I think Jason is just jealous of Jews and others groups in society because they get up off there ass every single day and make something of themselves and their family's lives.

You remind me of those nutjobs who stand on street corners all day screaming out crazy shit all the time. And those guys like yourself are the ones I think should be taken out into the back field and put out of their misery.

Work on making yourself a better person. If you hate others fine, but at least clean up your own backyard first.

Lastly I know alot of jews and I have some jewish blood in me as well. And I can gaurantee you would shit your pants if you met some of them face to face and were called out to say your useless drivel to them face to face.

I am not religious myself but I do feel that you speaking as a Christian gives all other good Christians out there a bad name. You and the rest of the sister fucking Jerry Springer crowd.

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. Who gives a sheet what this moronic verbal masturbator has to say? He’s a nut case with no life…let’s not give him one on T-Mag.

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Alright everybody, as much as I like a healthy religious discussion, I can’t find one on this site, but I read through this whole thing anyways, and hopefully can add some closure, I started from the frequent mentioning of white supremacist, and anit-semetic websites. Then as I read Jason’s “Proof” of how “hateful” the Jewish people are, it donned on me how much that looked like a compilation of sorts that one could possibly find on such a site. So being the clever fellow that I am, I copied most of his post, went to a search engine and pasted it in the search box, and yes I know it doesn’t all fit, but enough does to come up sites with names containing “Anti-Zion” in the web address, and similar hatefulness, put on the web by, you guessed it, white supremacist folks, Palestinian college students, and Muslim organizations, not to infer anything about the last two groups, but we know that white supremacists don’t like their own mothers, and that Palestinians and Jews tend not to get along. Hopefully this helps, if not, give it a try yourself as I can’t post web addresses on the forum. Late.

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sigh
Can we bring this to a close?
My two cents from a card carrying (well credit-card carrying) pagan.
IF Jesus existed the Romans killed him not the Jews. Crucifiction (sp?) was a Roman execution device. If Jesus was to have been killed by Jews for Religious crimes e.g. heresy, he would have been stoned to death.
Simple logic…the Romans killed him.

Now…can we move on to important things…like weights, supplements and women :slight_smile:

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weights, supplements and women … ok!

Hey I know, lets just toss out all this ancient tribal stuff and move into modern life, do we really need any of this?


I mean if God™ came down from the sky, big white beard, flowing robes, smell of patchouli, BOOOOOM THUNDERCLAP LIGHTNING, on Thursday 3:30 pm at the Denver airport and said, “That’s it! I’m canceling all Religions starting tomorrow morning”
would you really care… would you still lift weights… watch x-files or “Dark Angel”… would you still buy biotest products, gripe about soccer moms driving slow in the fast lane, invest in you IRA?

I wouldn’t miss religions if they just disappeared poof I’d say “hey what was that!?.. oh… wherever” some preeminent theologist with degree’s out the yingyang with a funny hat comes on Fox Network and says whelp that about wraps it up for Religion, According to our experts… now on to sports…

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Ah Mitchell… I think I follow what you’re saying… Baron is a Palestinian college student. Of course!! Now it all makes perfect sense! Ok… now I do need to apologize to all palestinians… that was a low shot.


Santa did indeed exist, you may be familiar with the name Kriss Kringle. The rest of his assertations I couldn’t give a shit about.
I would like to illuminate a fact for him though… everyone has 2 parents…4 grandparents…8 great… each generation you go back doubles the ancestors, but the population of the world decreases. From a mathamatical perspective everyone is related by blood. I think the furthest away you could be related from someone is about 52nd cousin. This takes into account intermingling of people from small islands and deep jungle tribes… all humans are related. 52nd cousin! now this doesn’t take into account that Jason’s sister may also be his mother, nor does it take into account animal husbandry in the Baron family tree (Don’t worry Monkeyboy … the tree I refer is not literal).


Now a few of you may be snickering with the thought that Mr Baron is related to Jews, spics, kikes, wops …(fill in derogatory names that every race have, and don’t forget fags and dykes).Anyway dear reader… if it hasn’t donned on you… you are also related to a Mr. J Baron.

Sorry… messin with Santa just gets me so riled!

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LMAO!!! Dale, that was great! Just look for the loops in the family tree! I once heard a quote, “Every arguement taken long enough will end up in semantics.” You guys crack me up. I’m glad that this board is around to liven up an otherwise ho-hum day.