[quote]bundy wrote:
Another thread which is 10 percent of helpful info surrounded by 90 percent of shit involving the usual clowns.[/quote]
Do you contribute ANYTHING to this board but bitching and moaning?
STFU, and Pics or GTFO.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Undertow wrote:
It doesn’t have to be training per say, but pickup basketball, walks, things like that.[/quote]
I been walking my pup fasted every morning for about 30mins (1.5 miles or so). So not too crazy and it has really made an impact.
Maybe even 15mins going a little more intense than I do will help. [/quote]
Unfortunately I’ve never really noticed a difference from such small things. I’m guessing you mean you seem noticeably leaner at the same or higher weight?
the only time I can think of where cardio had a significant affect was when I did HIIT but that was awhile ago. Even then I can’t be so sure exactly how things would have been if I just didn’t do it. Maybe I’ll pick that up again at some point. [/quote]
Dude I’m not talking about lipo here. But I am leaner at the same body weight, and eating a shitty diet because I’m working 80 hours a week. It works.
How long did you do it for?
I can’t imagine that cardio did absolutely zero for your composition. That is just crazy talk.
My bad, but it doesn’t change the facts much. SO instead of 240 lean easy, you should be able to get to 220 lean easy.
You may not be lean the whole journey, but you can get up and slowly lean out once there.
I mean, wasn’t SteelyD once a big boy, and trimmed down, and has now bulked up to a brick shit house. I mean if he can tolerate and manage fat gain at 35+ I’m pretty sure you can too.
Not to put words in the OP’s mouth, but I believe this has been his point. He hasn’t really been bitching about his progress, but more about those who sh*t on him (or others like him) because “they’re doing it wrong because they can’t make a given weight (I believe 200 lbs. is just an arbitrary number he chose) while being lean the entire time.”
[quote]dragunbayne wrote:
Not to put words in the OP’s mouth, but I believe this has been his point. He hasn’t really been bitching about his progress, but more about those who sh*t on him (or others like him) because “they’re doing it wrong because they can’t make a given weight (I believe 200 lbs. is just an arbitrary number he chose) while being lean the entire time.”[/quote]
What you just said is not at all the same as
Of course it’d be much tougher to stay lean the whole time getting in the 200’s. I don’t remember reading anyone posting that you had to. In my case I’m 240 and don’t think I even remember the last time I was lean all over. The thing is, when I cut down back down to 215-220 this summer, I believe I’ll be as lean as I want to be. BUT, I had to sacrifice almost a year of carrying more fat than I’m comfortable with to achieve the greater goal.
As far as cardio, I haven’t been able to do any since I tore my ACL in September and it’s made a noticeable difference in fat gain. Nevertheless, I’d rather gain fat and muscle, then stay stagnant. But them again, is just a personal choice. I just had my surgery and I know adding it back in is going to make a huge difference. I really think you should consider adding it back in some form or another.
[quote]dragunbayne wrote:
Not to put words in the OP’s mouth, but I believe this has been his point. He hasn’t really been bitching about his progress, but more about those who sh*t on him (or others like him) because “they’re doing it wrong because they can’t make a given weight (I believe 200 lbs. is just an arbitrary number he chose) while being lean the entire time.”[/quote]
You also seem to be missing the point. The issue is NOT whether you gain some fat while gaining muscle. It is that at 6 feet tall and after 5 whole years of training “hard”, the op is still under 200lbs and still not lean.
If he were 5’4" that would be a completely different issue.
[quote]dragunbayne wrote:
Not to put words in the OP’s mouth, but I believe this has been his point. He hasn’t really been bitching about his progress, but more about those who sh*t on him (or others like him) because “they’re doing it wrong because they can’t make a given weight (I believe 200 lbs. is just an arbitrary number he chose) while being lean the entire time.”[/quote]
Who’s shitting on these people? And since when is a little ball busting a bad thing?
When did eating and lifting get this complicated.
OP - you should check out the muscle and fitness forums.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
nevermind…
NOt worth it. He can’t hear Jimmy.[/quote]
LOL
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]dragunbayne wrote:
Not to put words in the OP’s mouth, but I believe this has been his point. He hasn’t really been bitching about his progress, but more about those who sh*t on him (or others like him) because “they’re doing it wrong because they can’t make a given weight (I believe 200 lbs. is just an arbitrary number he chose) while being lean the entire time.”[/quote]
You also seem to be missing the point. The issue is NOT whether you gain some fat while gaining muscle. It is that at 6 feet tall and after 5 whole years of training “hard”, the op is still under 200lbs and still not lean.
If he were 5’4" that would be a completely different issue.[/quote]
Professor X, I have not missed the point of your opinion on this. Don’t get me wrong I respect what you have to say and I agree that under 200 for that height is on the small side. But all this aside I was just commenting as to what I thought the point of the OP was. It doesn’t seem that he wouldn’t agree with you either, at least on some level. Like I said I think his point just was that it is ridiculous that there are people who say you should be able to get there while staying lean. What I gather from what he has said, and I agree with, is that some (many?) people will not be able to get huge in a decent time frame without possibly putting on an appreciable amount of fat.
[quote]The other Rob wrote:
[quote]dragunbayne wrote:
Not to put words in the OP’s mouth, but I believe this has been his point. He hasn’t really been bitching about his progress, but more about those who sh*t on him (or others like him) because “they’re doing it wrong because they can’t make a given weight (I believe 200 lbs. is just an arbitrary number he chose) while being lean the entire time.”[/quote]
Who’s shitting on these people? And since when is a little ball busting a bad thing?[/quote]
To the first question I don’t know who really, it was just how I put it. To the second question not me so ask someone else; I have nothing wrong with it, in most cases it is motivation.
[quote]dragunbayne wrote:
Professor X, I have not missed the point of your opinion on this. Don’t get me wrong I respect what you have to say and I agree that under 200 for that height is on the small side. But all this aside I was just commenting as to what I thought the point of the OP was. It doesn’t seem that he wouldn’t agree with you either, at least on some level. Like I said I think his point just was that it is ridiculous that there are people who say you should be able to get there while staying lean. What I gather from what he has said, and I agree with, is that some (many?) people will not be able to get huge in a decent time frame without possibly putting on an appreciable amount of fat.[/quote]
Wait, WHO has said this? Have any of you tracked this person down yet? The first time I hit 200lbs (which was about my second year of training) I was carrying too much fat. I didn’t know how to eat at the time so I was pretty much eating anything that would get my weight up and was cheap enough for me to afford. I also know that just 3 years later I was not fat at he same weight.
No one has said you should never gain extra fat as you get to 200lbs. We are saying, once again for those not getting the point, THAT IF YOU ARE 6 FEET TALL AND HAVE BEEN TRAINING FOR FIVE WHOLE YEARS THAT YOU SHOULD NOT STILL BE UNDER 200LBS AND FAT assuming you have the genetics and drive for this.
Half a decade has passed.
I struggle to appreciate (maybe I’m in a vacuum) the difficulty of gaining 20-50lbs in a 5 year period. If you are training to grow, I fail to understand why you can’t put on 5lbs per year and not be obese.
Over the past year, I put on 20lbs. My goal was to get bigger, stronger and stay lean. My definition of lean may be different from others as I’m at 18% BF approx. And that’s not eating healthy as I have the desire but not the will to do it correctly (that’s my choice).
Prof X - We’re typing in a forum in which the OP has already stated they don’t train hard enough and make excuses for failure. I doubt there is anything else that will help here.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]dragunbayne wrote:
Professor X, I have not missed the point of your opinion on this. Don’t get me wrong I respect what you have to say and I agree that under 200 for that height is on the small side. But all this aside I was just commenting as to what I thought the point of the OP was. It doesn’t seem that he wouldn’t agree with you either, at least on some level. Like I said I think his point just was that it is ridiculous that there are people who say you should be able to get there while staying lean. What I gather from what he has said, and I agree with, is that some (many?) people will not be able to get huge in a decent time frame without possibly putting on an appreciable amount of fat.[/quote]
Wait, WHO has said this? Have any of you tracked this person down yet? The first time I hit 200lbs (which was about my second year of training) I was carrying too much fat. I didn’t know how to eat at the time so I was pretty much eating anything that would get my weight up and was cheap enough for me to afford. I also know that just 3 years later I was not fat at he same weight.
No one has said you should never gain extra fat as you get to 200lbs. We are saying, once again for those not getting the point, THAT IF YOU ARE 6 FEET TALL AND HAVE BEEN TRAINING FOR FIVE WHOLE YEARS THAT YOU SHOULD NOT STILL BE UNDER 200LBS AND FAT assuming you have the genetics and drive for this.
Half a decade has passed.
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I can agree with that. I was never disagreeing with your point. I was more or less just trying to give my view on what the OP was saying because some people have kind of said the same thing as him while at the same time criticizing what he said originally. My only problem is that, the guy makes a statement and people start jumping his shit. I can understand that it is easy to misconstrue what is said when it is only in type however. All in all, some good info and advice in here. Oh and also as I said The other Rob, I don’t know WHO said it the OP just said he has seen something along those lines elsewhere from this thread. Anyways guess I won’t comment anymore as I am not over 200 lbs. (used to be over 300 at 5’8" so does that make me better than most here?) myself, so my opinion on anything will be wrong (or misinterpreted?) from what I’ve seen in this thread.
By the way, for all of those too dumb to get the sarcasm of the question in parenthesis, it was rhetorical.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wait, WHO has said this? Have any of you tracked this person down yet? The first time I hit 200lbs (which was about my second year of training) I was carrying too much fat. I didn’t know how to eat at the time so I was pretty much eating anything that would get my weight up and was cheap enough for me to afford. I also know that just 3 years later I was not fat at he same weight.
No one has said you should never gain extra fat as you get to 200lbs. We are saying, once again for those not getting the point, THAT IF YOU ARE 6 FEET TALL AND HAVE BEEN TRAINING FOR FIVE WHOLE YEARS THAT YOU SHOULD NOT STILL BE UNDER 200LBS AND FAT assuming you have the genetics and drive for this.
Half a decade has passed.
[/quote]
damn whadda ya know…the crazy black guy is right again
Problem with the internet right there!!!
Prof X - what do you mean by genetics? Whats the standard?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
…Half a decade has passed.
[/quote]
…and you only get around 7.5 decades in life
It’s enough to scare you to death 
[quote]Liv92 wrote:
Prof X - what do you mean by genetics? Whats the standard? [/quote]
Ronnie Coleman
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Liv92 wrote:
Prof X - what do you mean by genetics? Whats the standard? [/quote]
Ronnie Coleman[/quote]
^ Epic
also:
23 pairs of chromosomes
Haha damn, I guess everyone on this site is out of the question then… (about the Ronnie Coleman thing, cause i’d be wierd if you didn’t have 23 pairs of chromosomes right? 
)
I’m sick and fucking tired about hearing about genetics.
I see ripped people that were fat, I see skinny bitches that are now brick shit houses, I see short guys that are jacked, and I see tall guys that are filled right out.
Genetics are highly over-rated. Can everyone be the next Arnold/Dorian/Coleman? No. Can everyone get righteously ripped? Absolutely yes.
This thread is a waste of life, OP has been training for FIVE FUCKING YEARS and hasn’t broken 200lbs @ 6ft. I don’t care what his story is that’s pathetic. Quite making excuses, and quite back talking all the experienced guys that are trying to fucking help you, you worthless piece of shit.