LOL, you know my boss who was too poor to afford shoes at 10 years old, and now has 3 commas in his bank account knows nothing about running a business or accounting.
I go to the dork who has been struggling to be a staff his entire career for advice…
LOL
Jesus, and Major, we all know this is one of like 13 of your accounts… Stop trolling.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
…You’re Doing it Wrong.
I’ve read this a few times recently and in the past as well and it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. It seems most people believe that if someone of reasonable height is below 200lb.
Now I’m around 198 and 17-18% body fat, but it sure as hell hasn’t been easy to not gain a good deal of fat in the process, even when I had much less muscle.
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What are you trying to say? Just because it wasn’t easy doesn’t mean those people weren’t right. In your case they are right, when you ease up even a little you gain fat? so what they didn’t say you can stop working out and eating correctly when you get there.
Seriously dude clenbuterol and winny is all you need.
Also don’t ask for help on an internet forum, just experiment and find out what works for you.
Might want to get your thyroid checked or something.
Yeah bro… use some clen and winny… and still don’t know how to adjust your food intake methodically.
@Pumped, take a look in the T-cell Alpha about fat setpoints. And you could drop FattyFat a PM about more info.
[quote]optheta wrote:
OP you should post pics[/quote]
Even though I think you’re an idiot. I agree . OP went through all this trouble. Let’s see some pics of his current progress!!
[quote]FattyFat wrote:
Funny thread.
I’ve yet to meet someone in person being more proficient at gaining bodyfat than I am. For realz. Sure, there are people gaining fat faster than I do, any maybe the OP is one of those, but still. Regarding fat gain propensity, I’m a champ! It only takes me a couple of days to offset weeks of hard dieting. I’m not making myself available for discussing this, just putting this out, here.
So, BOOHOO ME!
Now, to the more important fact:
I’ve always made the best lean gains and the best body fat reductions when training every day. Period.
The trick is in managing fatigue and keeping healthy while doing it. I’ve always had the former down pat, but used to suck at the latter.
Just get to know your bodies really well and all will pan out.
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You came to mind when writing some of my posts in this thread, after seeing your posts in the t-cell thread about fat set points. From your other posts I feel like we’re probably similar in how fast we gain fat, except I actually started off pretty chubby…you started relatively lean. So maybe I have you beat 
When you say your best lean gains were when training every day, do you mean some activity or actually doing a serious workout (with weights, not a “workout” like intervals or something) every day? What specifically did you do?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
When OP is 6’3" why is your perspective as a “small guy” at all relevant? He isn’t small in the same context and 180 at over 6’ is tiny. He should have zero problem getting well over 200lbs in a relatively lean state.
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Again, I’m 6’0", not 6’3"
[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
5 pages and you haven’t posted your diet/any pictures.
You also said you don’t do cardio (even if it’s 45 mins of walking a day).
This could just be your own flawed opinion of yourself saying ‘you are too fat’ when really you aren’t, or it could be your diet (list foods, not that macronutrient bullshit).
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I never said I was too fat. I said I gain fat very easily, and this thread isn’t even about me specifically. I don’t have any pics posing that aren’t probably 2 years old at this point. And if you read the thread you’ll see that I posted the foods I eat 95% of the time.
[quote]Teledin wrote:
I was in the same boat as pumped … I always struggled to keep the fat off while gaining … but I never considered this an inevitable genetic limitation! To put it simply, I increased work load from 4 sessions per week to 5 or 6. Meal frequency INCREASED … caloric intake per meal DECREASED. I put in at least 30 minutes of research every day on a chosen topic relevant to me to gain better knowledge.
Right now four weeks into my mass gain phase I haven’t put on much fat at all especially in comparison to former mass gain phases (less than 1/4th). I don’t force feed shit down my throat, diet I cleaned up and I am in firm belief I’m on track to break my previous lean gain records.
To reiterate what plenty have said, DIET is the key to keeping off fat. Period.
There are some of those out there with true genetic limitations that hinder progress greatly … but for most this is not the case at all. As for work ethic in the gym … any idiot can train ‘intense’ … it’s those who train intelligently that succeed.
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lol. Believe me, I’m not one to put genetic limitations on myself when it comes to reaching my goals. My diet has been looked at and approved by several coaches (Shelby Starnes for one as well as others). How much weight have you gained in these 4 weeks?
When you say you increased workload from 4 sessions to 5-6, are you talking about lifting sessions? Or just something in general including cardio/GPP of some type?
[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
If that is a standing military press your talking about that is fucking monster weight bro at your size. Even if its seated its pretty good.[/quote]
Well from my experience most people can do more standing. It was somewhat of a push press but not much leg drive honestly. Thanks for the compliment.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I could see if he was completely intelligible but he isn’t. [/quote]
lol…
[quote]plateau wrote:
To get back on track, what has your training looked like recently?
Have you tried logging everything you eat, something like fitday.com?
When was the last time you had a break from dieting?[/quote]
? I’m not dieting. Yes I log everything, very meticulously. Training now is basically 2 push and 2 pull days per week (2-4 muscles worked per session). Strength and size has been going up, but with a somewhat high amount of fat. Not saying it couldn’t be improved at all, I’m just saying the average person in my situation (and like FattyFat) shouldn’t feel like they’re fucking up just because they’re gaining more fat than the average person starting out lean and trying to make comparisons like that.
Even when a diet has been approved by someone with knowledge, it is still variable how you will react to it. You’ll have to have a baseline first, where you can asses your situation and react according to it.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Undertow wrote:
It doesn’t have to be training per say, but pickup basketball, walks, things like that.[/quote]
I been walking my pup fasted every morning for about 30mins (1.5 miles or so). So not too crazy and it has really made an impact.
Maybe even 15mins going a little more intense than I do will help. [/quote]
Unfortunately I’ve never really noticed a difference from such small things. I’m guessing you mean you seem noticeably leaner at the same or higher weight?
the only time I can think of where cardio had a significant affect was when I did HIIT but that was awhile ago. Even then I can’t be so sure exactly how things would have been if I just didn’t do it. Maybe I’ll pick that up again at some point.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
…You’re Doing it Wrong.
I’ve read this a few times recently and in the past as well and it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. It seems most people believe that if someone of reasonable height is below 200lb.
Now I’m around 198 and 17-18% body fat, but it sure as hell hasn’t been easy to not gain a good deal of fat in the process, even when I had much less muscle.
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What are you trying to say? Just because it wasn’t easy doesn’t mean those people weren’t right. In your case they are right, when you ease up even a little you gain fat? so what they didn’t say you can stop working out and eating correctly when you get there.[/quote]
Where the hell did I say I just gain fat when i “ease up” on things? Or that I’ve ever eased up without doing so intentially (i.e. that I don’t currently do cardio). I got up to 190 with cardio the entire time, only the last 8lb or so have been without cardio, and like I said…not much of a difference with fat gain
[quote]Tatsu wrote:
Yeah bro… use some clen and winny… and still don’t know how to adjust your food intake methodically.
@Pumped, take a look in the T-cell Alpha about fat setpoints. And you could drop FattyFat a PM about more info.[/quote]
I read up to where it go to yesterday, and I feel like FattyFat can probably relate to my situation.
[quote]Carlitosway wrote:
[quote]optheta wrote:
OP you should post pics[/quote]
Even though I think you’re an idiot. I agree . OP went through all this trouble. Let’s see some pics of his current progress!![/quote]
As mentioned, I don’t have any recent pics…Haven’t taken posing ones for probably 2 years. I mean I have some from 160-170lb. if you want lol
Won’t post them though because some dumbasses who can’t read will think it’s me now. Hell, a few people still think I’m 6’3" from that post I quoted lol
To PX, Bones, and CB:
As my avatar and screen name indicates, I am a powerlifter by training and my observation from all the rancor and rage demonstrated in this thread is simple…the three of you need to eat a goddam cheeseburger. Every post I have ever read from PX is angry as shit. This comes from too much dieting, over training, and never ever ever having sex.
To the OP:
My advice is simple, leave BB and come to the dark side. Lift heavy as fuck, eat what you want, and never step on a scale unless you’re about to compete against other men about to lift heavy shit.
To all the prospective flamers, yes pics, videos, and workouts are posted…so flame away.
[quote]pwrlifter198 wrote:
To PX, Bones, and CB:
As my avatar and screen name indicates, I am a powerlifter by training and my observation from all the rancor and rage demonstrated in this thread is simple…the three of you need to eat a goddam cheeseburger. Every post I have ever read from PX is angry as shit. This comes from too much dieting, over training, and never ever ever having sex.
To the OP:
My advice is simple, leave BB and come to the dark side. Lift heavy as fuck, eat what you want, and never step on a scale unless you’re about to compete against other men about to lift heavy shit.
To all the prospective flamers, yes pics, videos, and workouts are posted…so flame away.[/quote]
I have no idea who you are. And frankly, I dont give a shit who you are or what you have to say about me. But if you think there is any rage or rancor in my posts in this thread you are terrible at interpreting emotionless text. If you think I actually get angry or upset at things posted on the internet youre dumber than you sound.
Congrats on being an over weight middled aged man and justifying that by being a powerlifter. Well done on that front.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]pwrlifter198 wrote:
To PX, Bones, and CB:
As my avatar and screen name indicates, I am a powerlifter by training and my observation from all the rancor and rage demonstrated in this thread is simple…the three of you need to eat a goddam cheeseburger. Every post I have ever read from PX is angry as shit. This comes from too much dieting, over training, and never ever ever having sex.
To the OP:
My advice is simple, leave BB and come to the dark side. Lift heavy as fuck, eat what you want, and never step on a scale unless you’re about to compete against other men about to lift heavy shit.
To all the prospective flamers, yes pics, videos, and workouts are posted…so flame away.[/quote]
I have no idea who you are. And frankly, I dont give a shit who you are or what you have to say about me. But if you think there is any rage or rancor in my posts in this thread you are terrible at interpreting emotionless text. If you think I actually get angry or upset at things posted on the internet youre dumber than you sound.
Congrats on being an over weight middled aged man and justifying that by being a powerlifter. Well done on that front. [/quote]
Now see, there it is, some of that rancor and rage I was talking about. It’s all that dieting it took to get you down to a lean 170. I’m 5’7", 217, and while I don’t possess the marvelous six pack you boast in your skinny pictures, I can still see abs and lift big weight. BTW, when’s the last time a man or woman walked up to you and said, “hey, can I see your abs?” I bet you have been asked, today, “how much can you bench?” That’s a question I can answer without looking down at my shoes. But, you are quick to dole out criticisms about someone’s workout when you’ve never met them based solely an innocuous post about unintended weight gain.
Middle-aged, now that hurt.
[quote]pwrlifter198 wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]pwrlifter198 wrote:
To PX, Bones, and CB:
As my avatar and screen name indicates, I am a powerlifter by training and my observation from all the rancor and rage demonstrated in this thread is simple…the three of you need to eat a goddam cheeseburger. Every post I have ever read from PX is angry as shit. This comes from too much dieting, over training, and never ever ever having sex.
To the OP:
My advice is simple, leave BB and come to the dark side. Lift heavy as fuck, eat what you want, and never step on a scale unless you’re about to compete against other men about to lift heavy shit.
To all the prospective flamers, yes pics, videos, and workouts are posted…so flame away.[/quote]
I have no idea who you are. And frankly, I dont give a shit who you are or what you have to say about me. But if you think there is any rage or rancor in my posts in this thread you are terrible at interpreting emotionless text. If you think I actually get angry or upset at things posted on the internet youre dumber than you sound.
Congrats on being an over weight middled aged man and justifying that by being a powerlifter. Well done on that front. [/quote]
Now see, there it is, some of that rancor and rage I was talking about. It’s all that dieting it took to get you down to a lean 170. I’m 5’7", 217, and while I don’t possess the marvelous six pack you boast in your skinny pictures, I can still see abs and lift big weight. BTW, when’s the last time a man or woman walked up to you and said, “hey, can I see your abs?” I bet you have been asked, today, “how much can you bench?” That’s a question I can answer without looking down at my shoes. But, you are quick to dole out criticisms about someone’s workout when you’ve never met them based solely an innocuous post about unintended weight gain.
Middle-aged, now that hurt.[/quote]
Are you just trying to egg me on by saying my posts are filled with rage? How thick are you? Be honest.
I bet it probably kills you to know that I’ve never dieted in my life. I haven’t bench pressed in 2 years. I deadlifted more weight for 6 at age 20 than you did in your video. But I dont do that anymore either. I’m just not as cool as your and your crew that actually entertains the “how much do you bench” question. Are you trying to relive your high school days? Still lifting for other peoples approval, huh
Do your thing man. Live the life. LOL @ “I can still see abs”. Maybe its time for a new lens prescription because you didn’t see the date on those 170lb pics either. Just sayin
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[quote]pumped340 wrote:
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
…You’re Doing it Wrong.
I’ve read this a few times recently and in the past as well and it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. It seems most people believe that if someone of reasonable height is below 200lb.
Now I’m around 198 and 17-18% body fat, but it sure as hell hasn’t been easy to not gain a good deal of fat in the process, even when I had much less muscle.
[/quote]
What are you trying to say? Just because it wasn’t easy doesn’t mean those people weren’t right. In your case they are right, when you ease up even a little you gain fat? so what they didn’t say you can stop working out and eating correctly when you get there.[/quote]
Where the hell did I say I just gain fat when i “ease up” on things? Or that I’ve ever eased up without doing so intentially (i.e. that I don’t currently do cardio). I got up to 190 with cardio the entire time, only the last 8lb or so have been without cardio, and like I said…not much of a difference with fat gain
Again I’m asking you what are you trying to say? and the ease up part was part of the question of what are you trying to say? You appear to be saying that getting to 200lbs relatively lean is not possible for the average person? What is the point of your original post?
[quote]pwrlifter198 wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]pwrlifter198 wrote:
To PX, Bones, and CB:
As my avatar and screen name indicates, I am a powerlifter by training and my observation from all the rancor and rage demonstrated in this thread is simple…the three of you need to eat a goddam cheeseburger. Every post I have ever read from PX is angry as shit. This comes from too much dieting, over training, and never ever ever having sex.
To the OP:
My advice is simple, leave BB and come to the dark side. Lift heavy as fuck, eat what you want, and never step on a scale unless you’re about to compete against other men about to lift heavy shit.
To all the prospective flamers, yes pics, videos, and workouts are posted…so flame away.[/quote]
I have no idea who you are. And frankly, I dont give a shit who you are or what you have to say about me. But if you think there is any rage or rancor in my posts in this thread you are terrible at interpreting emotionless text. If you think I actually get angry or upset at things posted on the internet youre dumber than you sound.
Congrats on being an over weight middled aged man and justifying that by being a powerlifter. Well done on that front. [/quote]
Now see, there it is, some of that rancor and rage I was talking about. It’s all that dieting it took to get you down to a lean 170. I’m 5’7", 217, and while I don’t possess the marvelous six pack you boast in your skinny pictures, I can still see abs and lift big weight. BTW, when’s the last time a man or woman walked up to you and said, “hey, can I see your abs?” I bet you have been asked, today, “how much can you bench?” That’s a question I can answer without looking down at my shoes. But, you are quick to dole out criticisms about someone’s workout when you’ve never met them based solely an innocuous post about unintended weight gain.
Middle-aged, now that hurt.[/quote]
??
I currently weigh about 280lbs and will likely be closer to 275 within the next week. I don’t even barbell bench press but can probably still do more than you at only 215lbs. Diet? This is my very first attempt at even trying to get leaner than maybe 12% so what are you talking about?
There isn’t anything in this thread that has me upset or “filled with rage” so again what are you talking about?
As far as women, I get approached more than I ever go after them so take that as you may…unless you really think big black guys in Houston, TX really can’t get laid.
[quote]pwrlifter198 wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]pwrlifter198 wrote:
To PX, Bones, and CB:
As my avatar and screen name indicates, I am a powerlifter by training and my observation from all the rancor and rage demonstrated in this thread is simple…the three of you need to eat a goddam cheeseburger. Every post I have ever read from PX is angry as shit. This comes from too much dieting, over training, and never ever ever having sex.
To the OP:
My advice is simple, leave BB and come to the dark side. Lift heavy as fuck, eat what you want, and never step on a scale unless you’re about to compete against other men about to lift heavy shit.
To all the prospective flamers, yes pics, videos, and workouts are posted…so flame away.[/quote]
I have no idea who you are. And frankly, I dont give a shit who you are or what you have to say about me. But if you think there is any rage or rancor in my posts in this thread you are terrible at interpreting emotionless text. If you think I actually get angry or upset at things posted on the internet youre dumber than you sound.
Congrats on being an over weight middled aged man and justifying that by being a powerlifter. Well done on that front. [/quote]
Now see, there it is, some of that rancor and rage I was talking about. It’s all that dieting it took to get you down to a lean 170. I’m 5’7", 217, and while I don’t possess the marvelous six pack you boast in your skinny pictures, I can still see abs and lift big weight. BTW, when’s the last time a man or woman walked up to you and said, “hey, can I see your abs?” I bet you have been asked, today, “how much can you bench?” That’s a question I can answer without looking down at my shoes. But, you are quick to dole out criticisms about someone’s workout when you’ve never met them based solely an innocuous post about unintended weight gain. [/quote] We are all quite familiar with Pumped’s posting history… Doesn’t seem like you are. [quote]
Middle-aged, now that hurt.[/quote]
You listen to the man, Bonez, and show some respect.
He’s made it all the way to a mighty 365x6 raw squat, with pelvis tucking under at the bottom of every rep at 217 lb of bodyweight… After 25 years of training.
I totally see what he means by “lifting heavy as fuck and eating what I want”, but you, Bonez, have no clue about such things.
You take note, Pumped340.
Do it like our lawyer-friend here, eat a banana and an apple per day - yes, you may gain some fat with such a crazy large food intake, but don’t worry about it - and go to the gym for 24 years of your life before adding weight to the bar for the first time.
Wait, what?
Seriously, what am I missing? Cancer? Imprisonment in a concentration camp? Marriage?
What the hell did you do all those years, mr. 198? Or were you just trying to be funny? Hard to tell with people on the Internet…
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
To be clear, this is not a thread complaining about my results or something. I appreciate any advice you guys can offer, but mainly I was just pointing out that it seems odd that people would say everyone should be able to get above 200 relatively lean before needing to cut down at all, as this certainly hasn’t even been close to the case for me.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
If you’re very concerned and feel that you can’t get lean no matter what you do, go order a BMP, lipid, and hormonal profile.
What’s your full schedule? How much time do you spend per week exercising. Most people need at least 5 hours per week of activity to control weight and some people need considerably more to get lean.
You haven’t listed your diet either.
We shouldn’t be going by broad, vague, shit sayings like the one you mentioned. [/quote]
I recently got my cholesterol and testosterone checked. Cholesterol was just under 200 (was lower, then over 300 because of some medication, now it’s back down). And test levels were unfortunately 399 ng/dl which is apparently on the low side
Acitivity, cardio and diet have varied a lot over the years, from high fat/low carbs to higher carbs/lower fat to everything in between. Cardio as mentioned has been anywhere from near nothing to an hour per day and from HIIT to low intensity. I do seem to have stayed slightly leaner when keeping fat lower though (and in turn keeping carbs moderate rather than very low).
As of now diet is about 3000 calories (90f/240c/310p) on workout days and 2600 (105f/105c/310p) on off days…slow metabolism. But as I mentioned it’s changed over the years.
4 workouts per week, strength has generally gone up, arms have gone up an inch in about 3 months or so, but fat just comes quickly with the muscle.
[quote]TheBigV wrote:
Stop training like a powerlifter and train like a bodybuilder! Also, get some blood work done, who knows, maybe your hormone levels are off.
Edit: How long have you been lifting?[/quote]
I’ve been lifting for about 4-5 years. The fat gain has definitely held me back since I couldn’t just keep gaining until I got to 200. I was only about 170 after the first 3 years or so, started at 130. I don’t train like a powerlifter
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pumped, im curious as to where you got the 3000 calorie mandate?
with your current intake you said you have gained strength, muscle, and fat:
3000 cals workout days
2600 cals off days
Since you want less fat, then have you tried less calories while training the same way for a couple cycles? E.g:
2700 cals workout days
2300 cals off days
By reducing calories you may reach the point, albeit not easy to find, where your body most efficiently gains lean muscle and minimal fat
correct me if im off track
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also, whats the “damage control” you do when you get to the point that youre fatter than you like?
do you lose size/strength during those times putting you almost back to where you started?
At 198 my BF was sitting at ~ 11 based on a number of pinch tests. I know those suck, but I used both calipers and the computer version at my gym which was all I had at my disposal. At 215ish I assume I am sitting in the mid-teens which is where most off season BB’s stand. I wear a loose fitting 36" pant and my weight only recently jumped from 198 to ~215 in the past year, when I hit 40,thanks for pointing that out by the way.
When I was 23 I could eat whatever the fuck I wanted to and never got fat. Of course, it didn’t hurt that I was an Army Ranger at the time and ran 15 or so miles a week and road marched about the same. FWIW, I don’t disagree with anything you, PX, or Beans have said in response to Pump’s post, just the way you answered. It’s hard enough to get more people into this sport or stregth sports generally without beating the shit out of anyone who asks a question out of legitimate ignorance. I have been asked the most insanely stupid questions at the gym and I still answer them without attempting to belittle the person asking.
As for abs, I’ll bet you dollars to donuts I can get your abs faster than you can get my bench or my total for that matter. Peace.
[quote]pwrlifter198 wrote:
As for abs, I’ll bet you dollars to donuts I can get your abs faster than you can get my bench or my total for that matter. Peace.[/quote]
But youll never be as pretty as me with those small pecs and thin shoulders, so who cares? I already said that I don’t bench or deadlift (or squat). Dude youre a fat weak guy. Why are you doing this to yourself? Go back to whatever forum you normally post in and continue to thrive in your fantasy world.
“Peace”. Is that another way you try to turn the clock back?
[quote]pwrlifter198 wrote:
It’s hard enough to get more people into this sport or strength sports generally without beating the shit out of anyone who asks a question out of legitimate ignorance. I have been asked the most insanely stupid questions at the gym and I still answer them without attempting to belittle the person asking.[/quote]
? Who gives a shit about getting more people into “sports or strength sports”? You have been training for over two decades and are just now making the progress I saw after two years as a beginner. How are YOU going to tell us about what this takes?
There are too many people as it is clogging up gyms, much like you have, and not really making much progress over several years.
This is a bodybuilding forum…which means RESULTS MATTER here…not simply showing up and being nice to everybody for over two decades.
This is an activity that will take a good deal of time, focus and determination…something the guy who cries because he gets asked for pictures just might not be cut out for.
This hurts. It grinds joints. It takes more focus than 90% of those weekend warriors filling gyms can ever come close to…so tell me why we should be pampering people more?
[quote]Wapptor wrote:
So…bloodwork? Testosterone is what we’re looking for?[/quote]
You’re looking for Free Test, Estradiol (E2), and a bunch of other stuff that could be leading to low test or under utilized test. Look at the “35 and over” forum