[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Going back to what I said before, so you actually think it’s reasonable to expect someone who gains fat very quickly to be able to gain 70lb with almost no increase in body fat %? [/quote]
Nothing is “reasonable” as far as PREDICTING what someone else can do. It can’t be done. If someone has the genetics to do that and train hard for it, they can pull it off. What does that have to do with you?[/quote]
What does that have to do with me? That’s the whole point of the thread. I’m not complaining here about my results, what I’m saying is that I don’t think it’s reasonable to say that anyone who can’t get to 200lb. without needing to lose some fat along the way is doing it wrong. I’m hesitant to throw numbers out here because someone will misconstrue what I’m saying, but a few coaches have stated that a good ratio of muscle to fat gains would be 2:1, that’s with an average individual (OBVIOUSLY there will be deviations). So even if this person starting skinny at maybe 15% can achieve this and not gain more fat than normal he will still get to 200lb. at around 22% body fat. Just an example but you hopefully get my point
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
This is rediculous.
Spending more time in the gym will only increase your metabolism. Sitting on your ass will make it slow down. If youre eating right and are otherwise healthy a 5 day routine is not a problem to recover from, just have an off day mid week.
As far as your testosterone levels go. Those numbers don’t say much at all. Free testosterone, estradiol (E2), FSH, LH, SHBG, cortisol, and thyroid hormones should also be checked. Free T and the ratio of free T to E2 is much more important than Total T. Your Total T is not high or even mid range. It’s probably close to average for a 50+ year old man. But it is also unlikely to find a doctor willig to prescribe TRT with that number (Free T could tell a different story). At that point it would be up to you to decide how far you want to go to convince (trick) a doctor to put you on TRT, if that is even something you are ineterested in being on for the rest of your life. [/quote]
Yea for me personally I don’t think I’d be getting any type of HRT any time soon.
[quote]Goll mac Morna wrote:
I feel like the question of whether or not he’s training intensely/enough has run its course, although it’s easy to appreciate advice from a guy like Stu or a kick in the pants from the Professor. If I had anything to add, pumped, it’s to try hard to find that person to train with who is simply bigger/more badass than you. when the professor talked about how he can get more out of people who train with him, it struck a nerve because I’ve experienced that in the last two years training with a guy who is bigger, stronger, and younger than me.
I honestly thought I was digging deep in my training, but I had no idea there was another level to reach until I found it while trying to keep up with this monster. I think it makes all the difference in the world.
BUT… like you said, the real issue here is the fat gain with the mass, and I think we’re missing something important. One thing I’ve come to learn about myself and something that’s been repeated by a few writers here is that fat accumulation is overwhelmingly a diet issue, ie. not just what you eat, but how and when.
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This is kind of my point. Yes stimulating the muscle more will result in better muscular gains but don’t try to tell me that by switching from 4x/week to 5x/week I (and many others) will suddenly go from gaining too much fat to making entirely lean gains. As for diet, I’ve always been very meticulous with mine. Might be able to slightly be improved with someone like Thibs telling me exactly what to eat at exact times, but I’m doing at least as well with diet as 99% of lifters
[quote]Goll mac Morna wrote:
I look better now at age 30 thna I did at 20, even though at 20 I was eating less total calories, spending more hours in the gym, and doing more cardio.
pumped, I know you’ve said your macro ratios have been both extremes and everything inbetween. How much have you stuck with any one dietary plan long enough to empirically assess the effect it has. It seems to me that you could be the biggest genetic shitpile in the universe, there’s still got to be something you’re doing wrong with your cooking (lack thereof?) if you can’t get better than 17% under 200 at your height. To me, the lack of precise nutritional detail in your post when diet is such a decisive factor is telling.[/quote]
The only reason I didn’t include everything in my diet is because what I posted got the point across. I have my calories and specifically the amount of macros I take in. As an example of what I eat, 95% of the time it’s chicken, tuna, spinach, broccoli, olive oil, eggs, whey (on workout days), fruit, oatmeal, etc…Used to eat more steak but not as much since being in college.
and yes I’ve kept specific diets for long periods of time, enough to see the effects. Which is why I know a high fat low carb diet actually seemed to put fat on me even faster, and more moderate of the 2 has worked better. I mean honestly looking at what I do I can’t see anything other than maybe small things that aren’t what they’re supposed to be, which is why I made the post in the first place…it seems odd that everyone should be able to get to 200lb. relatively lean without ever needing to lose some fat first.
[quote]jolopez wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, that is a subtle way into shaming a guy into changing his avatar. If you have a ripped dude as your avatar, and it is not you, I happen to think it just might be your gay lover. Why else would you have a guy as your avatar if it is not you? Maybe now that he has exposed his true stats, he should rethink changing said avatar. No hate on OP, I just don’t get it.[/quote]
I see your point. How’s the south pole by the way?
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]Vejne wrote:
No, don’t get me wrong! I’m not against treadmill, pec-dec, or fat people. I’ve just lost 100 pounds, then gained some strength and muscle, and I know that what it takes to get results. And I’m driven mad when some blame their lack of results on the gym equipement, and due to their failure they start telling false rumours about gym-members, accuse them with drug abuse, and laugh at them because their reached their goals. Because most of the unsuccessfull guys end up doing that 
at least here…[/quote]
100 pounds lost – that’s an AWESOME accomplishment, especially considering your genetics and medical history![/quote]
Just seeing this now, congrats on the weight loss vejne. Unfortunately, I think someone in your situation will always have a harder time with the fat gain, since your body likely created a lot of fat cells when you were 100lb. heavier, and now they may shrink, but won’t go away. I used to be somewhat fat as well and wonder if a similar situation for me has resulted from it.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Going back to what I said before, so you actually think it’s reasonable to expect someone who gains fat very quickly to be able to gain 70lb with almost no increase in body fat %?
As for the 2nd part, I work 3-4 muscles per session. Generally 3 which isn’t that much.
I’ve seen CC write up plenty of bodybuilding routines with 4 days per week. And I don’t think anyone would question his experience or knowledge on the topic. [/quote]
It is a bit much considering that 3 is the most muscles high-ranking bodybuilders will train in a session, with most of them training 1 or 2 muscles per session. The only third muscle they might train in a session is some small muscle like calves or abs that really don’t drain you at all.
Powerlifters will usually train the competition lift first in a session but train 3 to 4 muscle groups per session because they have enough room within a workout to do so because they only use 1 to 2 exercises per muscle group. So in total they might just train 5 exercises per session covering the main lift and 3 to 4 muscle groups. Bodybuilders use up to 4 or 5 exercises for ONE muscle group! That’s why more days are necessary to tear down a muscle like they need to for growth.
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Well I included all muscle groups in that. For instance today I worked back, then biceps, then calves. Pretty standard. Yesterday i did chest and triceps and then some forearm work because mine suck. So really 2-3 muscle groups.
It seems like many of the bigger guys here do believe working a muscle 2x/week or so is optimal, I don’t see as many splits with just one time per week as much anymore unless it’s because they’re specializing another muscle group.
[quote]TheBlade wrote:
I gain fat really easy and the biggest thing I can note is that you’re just taking in too many carbs. at 17% there’s no reason to take any carbs outside of peri-workout. I find I really don’t need THAT many carbs to gain mass and easily start putting on blubber if I add just a bit too much.[/quote]
I actually came off the AD a month or so ago, gained fat even faster with that.
[quote]pja wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
I’m pre-med so it’s already hard to get in 4x/week so 5x will have to wait until summer),
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That’s an excuse. If you want to lift you’ll find time. I’ve lifted at least 5 days
a week all throughout my undergrad years as a Mech E. major, throughout my PhD years
and now as an assistant prof. trying to get tenure. Wake up earlier, go to the gym later,etc.
When I was in grad school I used to work out at 11 pm.[/quote]
It’s not even relevant to this thread, it was just brought up on the side. And I literally couldn’t workout a 5th day if I wanted to right now because the gym is only open from 8am-6pm and 3 days per week I’m in class from 8:30am-7:30pm with only an hour break to eat and get to the next set of classes. But again, not really relevant here.
[quote]phatkins187 wrote:
Pumped you should’ve expected this thread to turn into a public flaming. It sounds like you’re just complaining about your own lack of progress when the intent of the thread may have been to speak up for those that have made significant gains under 200 lbs. Many bodybuilders (maybe not 6’+) are successful and train offseason at weights far less than 200 lbs.
What are your goals? Do you want to step on stage at some point? It seems to me you’re going to be much happier after you lean down to a lower body fat and have visual evidence of your muscular gains.
At the end of the day, this is all part of the learning process…the veterans know what works for them as far as training and diet, and so will you. Keep working hard bud.[/quote]
Yea I’m not at all surprised with some people’s (well, one person’s…) response to the thread. As mentioned, this isn’t supposed to be specifically about my progress. Just saying in general.
