[quote]pumped340 wrote:
I have skinny legs so my upper body is probably bigger than most people at the same weight and body fat)[/quote]
/end thread
This answers all of our questions, and his at the same time.
[quote]bwhitwell wrote:
“I’m not crazy strong compared to many here but I’ve benched over 315, deadlifted 450, rowed 275 and military pressed 240lb.”
Pumped340, By looking at the poundages you are using suggests that you have built a good physique. I would not judge yourself by body weight alone , use the mirror and check the scales infrequently. Good job on that military press![/quote]
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I think you should just keep getting stronger on the lifts that you’ve already built up. 315 bench, 240 press, 450 dead are great lifts. At this point, after all thats been said, IMO the best thing for you to do would just be to get stronger on those lifts. You will see a physique change if you go from a 450 deadlift to a 550 deadlift, it’s a fact.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
I have skinny legs so my upper body is probably bigger than most people at the same weight and body fat)[/quote]
/end thread
This answers all of our questions, and his at the same time. [/quote]
LOLOL <3 
Well I certainly don’t need this thread to keep going, but me having skinny legs sure doesn’t answer anything about why I and others would gain a lot of fat or need to in order to get big lol
Of course, I will continue to gain weight and increase my lifts…got some compliments from the cafeteria workers today that I’m looking bigger (Been called the “egg man” and the “chicken guy” for all that I eat there haha)
I still don’t get why you wouldn’t post a photo, pumped340.
Honestly, I’m a tad disappointed by your attitude: on the one hand you blow your own horn (your claims about your work and training ethic), on the other hand you appear as fishing for compliments.
Especially given your statement about how the brunt of your muscle mass is distributed over your upper body, I’m curious.
[quote]aggy wrote:
Haha aggy. WTF? I feel like an old lady when you call me that. Agatha. Did you remember to go to the potty today agatha? Oops, did you do a poopy? I think you diiiiiddd!!
[/quote]
You know what? You’re right LOL
[quote]aggy wrote:
On another front. whats the nutritional value of quark? Its a cheese right?? Ive got work now but ill be on later and you can divuldge you LOVE for quark to me.
[/quote]
Now, to make matters clear: QUARK doesn’t compare to steak, but: it’s a cheap alternative. I, for one, couldn’t have afforded to eat meat, let alone, steak on a daily basis in sufficient amounts when I was studying. That’s why I’m encouraging people to load up on QUARK as long as certain prerequisites are met:
-you’re not lactose-intolerant
-where you live, QUARK is actually cheaper than cottage cheese
I’ve mainly used the skim version of QUARK:
~ 13 % protein
~ 4 % carbs
~ .5 % fat
So, I’m paying about 0.5 EUR for 65 g of casein, or, put into other words: 2 EUR a day will cover almost all of my protein needs (not including the protein I get via peri-workout nutrition). That’s cheap.
Adding a bit of milk improves the texture by a lot without really upping cals. Adding a dash of cream wouldn’t hurt, either, the result still containing a lot less fat than non-skim versions of QUARK.
QUARK provides you with a good foundation for lots of dishes, both savory and sweet ones. Mix it up with fruits and/or low-cal syrups, use garlic and ground cucumber to make a nice metze/tsatsiki to go along with potatoes…the possibilities are endless.
Addendum:
Then, there’s the ultimate weapon: (low carb) cheesecake made of QUARK. Dayuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumn! I’ve used it once while dieting down. The slice depicted above was actually taken on my next to last birthday. I made a a few normal cakes for my friends and a cheesecake for myself. And ate it. I didn’t share.
[quote]FattyFat wrote:
Addendum:
Then, there’s the ultimate weapon: (low carb) cheesecake made of QUARK.[/quote]
OMG! Recipe! NOW!
Please…? 
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]ksommer wrote:
Granted, I didn’t read this whole thread. Just the first and last page.
17-18% is not “relatively lean.” It’s relatively fat.
I used to have a lot of trouble sleeping and I was about 20% fat too, with a “perfect” diet. I thought it was great. It was perfect, only in the sense it was totally wrong for my body. It sounds to me like your carbs are too low and your protein and fat are too high. I only have trouble sleeping like that now when I get really glycogen depleted before a carb-up for example.
Also, I personally believe it is wrong to complain about the body fat when are you doing nothing about it. Cardio levels and types are extremely individual, and if you are that fat but don’t want to be and aren’t doing something about it, then I don’t care how “dedicated” you CLAIM to be.[/quote]
Bullshit. A guy weighing 280lbs at only 17% body fat would not look fat at all. They would actually look pretty lean. Someone who only weighs 145lbs at 17% could very well look fat, because they have no muscle to give their body any shape at all.
In fact, he bigger you try to get, the less chance you will get there while maintaining anywhere near single digits without significant drug use.
On top of all of that, everyone holds fat differently. I have personally shown pics on this site of someone who was 6’2" and 340lbs and clearly over 20% body fat who still had all abs showing.[/quote]
I never said anything about how he looked. Of course, the more muscle mass one carries at a given height despite fat mass, the bigger and leaner that guy is going to look.
Having 17% bodyfat means he has 17% bodyfat - and not much else. He could have ripped abs but store 10% of his fat on his ass, but he isn’t more or less lean because of how he looks - he is still 17%. I have loose skin that makes me look fatter than I actually test, but it doesn’t actually make me fatter - the results of my efforts remain. In the end, it’s only important if it matters to the subject.
[quote]Please show me where I complained that I was too fat. Or where I said I was “relatively lean”.
By the way, when were you 20% bf and what are you at now? You found higher carbs and lower protein helped you stay leaner? (Not saying that’s wrong, I actually gained fat much faster on very high fat/low carb diet)
And are you saying you sleep better now that you’re leaner? That hasn’t been the case with me…I know some of the bigger guys may get sleep apnea but that has yet to be an issue.[/quote]
I started my post with the fact that I didn’t fully read the thread, so perhaps I was mistaken by the intent of the post - if that is the case, I apologize.
I was 20% in September 2008. In January 2005, I was 40%. In September 2009, I was 5%. Now, I’m probably about 8-9%. I maybe got up to 12-14% over winter while I was trying to add some mass.
I used to eat a strict low-carb diet, but I never got lean. I’d contend it made me fatter. I carb cycle now, but I eat more carbs than fats, and I am much leaner than I ever was. The fact that I sleep better is a function of the fact that I am healthier, which is a function of my diet, training, and supplements. Leanness and health are correlated, to a degree. Obviously, when you get extremely low, sleeping sucks - but that’s mostly due to carbohydrate and nutrient deprivation.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
OK just wanted to see what you thought. The reason why is because, as mentioned earlier, I started this at 15 years old. Maybe I should have hit 200lb. lean already by 19-20 (although I’ve never had someone say I look fat at all except my super lean brother who recently said I’m looking “buff but a little soft”).
[/quote]
Judging by this and your lifts, I’m fairly sure you are not fat at all and are just putting it across that you are.
If you had just posted a picture in the first place, this thread might not have so much crap in it.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Well I certainly don’t need this thread to keep going, but me having skinny legs sure doesn’t answer anything about why I and others would gain a lot of fat or need to in order to get big lol
Of course, I will continue to gain weight and increase my lifts…got some compliments from the cafeteria workers today that I’m looking bigger (Been called the “egg man” and the “chicken guy” for all that I eat there haha)[/quote]
You don’t understand why having a balanced physique would help you avoid adding fat mass to reach your target weight?
Do you really think your body wants to keep growing if your legs aren’t big enough to support the weight.
I’d love to see a natural guy with a truly massive upper body and small legs. It’s just not going to happen.
pumped340 wrote:
Well I certainly don’t need this thread to keep going, but me having skinny legs sure doesn’t answer anything about why I and others would gain a lot of fat or need to in order to get big lol
Saturday Morning is leg day - Feel free to join me in SQUAT CITY.
Fatty: I’m sure I could take a picture, I just don’t feel like it. I’m not looking for feedback on my physique so I don’t care about taking the picture and putting it up. No benefit to me.
ksommer: What’s your exact diet like now (calories fat/carbs/protein) and how does it cycle? From what I can tell I’ve had a somewhat similar experience with lower carb/higher fat making me fatter. Although I’ve never gotten close to 5%
Goodfellow: Yea, I’m not fat. My bodyfat % is 17% but I didn’t say I looked fat
BONEZ and LouDog: To be clear, my thighs aren’t that small compared to my upper body. It’s my calves that suck (15in. unfortunately)
I iz biggerz than OP
[fist pump]
I have no idea how many calories I eat. I only know grams of nutrients. I have 3 low (75g carbs), 3 moderate (175g carbs), and 1 high day (375g carbs) when I want to be lean while slowly gaining, and can go up to 3 high if I want to add mass quickly. I eat more carbs and less fats on days that I train. I usually stick to the 3/3/1, then change my levels of conditioning work to modify my body composition. 3 days of intervals and 3 days of moderate cardio was enough to slowly whittle me down to 5% - while the level of calories never changed. If I just dropped cardio and added in peri-workout nutrition, I could slowly gain - on the same diet!
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Well I certainly don’t need this thread to keep going, but me having skinny legs sure doesn’t answer anything about why I and others would gain a lot of fat or need to in order to get big lol
Of course, I will continue to gain weight and increase my lifts…got some compliments from the cafeteria workers today that I’m looking bigger (Been called the “egg man” and the “chicken guy” for all that I eat there haha)[/quote]
You don’t understand why having a balanced physique would help you avoid adding fat mass to reach your target weight?
Do you really think your body wants to keep growing if your legs aren’t big enough to support the weight.
I’d love to see a natural guy with a truly massive upper body and small legs. It’s just not going to happen. [/quote]
I’ve seen some close examples to that, of course i have no idea if they were natural or not, or if they had what you would consider a truely massive upper body, but its a plague that runs rampent at my university, oddly enough when i got back home for the summers i rarely ever see people look like that.
[quote]NoWheyOut wrote:
[quote]FattyFat wrote:
Addendum:
Then, there’s the ultimate weapon: (low carb) cheesecake made of QUARK.[/quote]
OMG! Recipe! NOW!
Please…?
[/quote]
2nd request for the recipe for this badboy. It looks like exactly the kind of think that would keep me from going mental in the middle of the week on low carb days. I’m using sugar-free jelly at the minute and to be honest it doesn’t cut the mustard.
[quote]FattyFat wrote:
I still don’t get why you wouldn’t post a photo, pumped340.
Honestly, I’m a tad disappointed by your attitude: on the one hand you blow your own horn (your claims about your work and training ethic), on the other hand you appear as fishing for compliments.
Especially given your statement about how the brunt of your muscle mass is distributed over your upper body, I’m curious.
[quote]aggy wrote:
Haha aggy. WTF? I feel like an old lady when you call me that. Agatha. Did you remember to go to the potty today agatha? Oops, did you do a poopy? I think you diiiiiddd!!
[/quote]
You know what? You’re right LOL
[quote]aggy wrote:
On another front. whats the nutritional value of quark? Its a cheese right?? Ive got work now but ill be on later and you can divuldge you LOVE for quark to me.
[/quote]
Now, to make matters clear: QUARK doesn’t compare to steak, but: it’s a cheap alternative. I, for one, couldn’t have afforded to eat meat, let alone, steak on a daily basis in sufficient amounts when I was studying. That’s why I’m encouraging people to load up on QUARK as long as certain prerequisites are met:
-you’re not lactose-intolerant
-where you live, QUARK is actually cheaper than cottage cheese
I’ve mainly used the skim version of QUARK:
~ 13 % protein
~ 4 % carbs
~ .5 % fat
So, I’m paying about 0.5 EUR for 65 g of casein, or, put into other words: 2 EUR a day will cover almost all of my protein needs (not including the protein I get via peri-workout nutrition). That’s cheap.
Adding a bit of milk improves the texture by a lot without really upping cals. Adding a dash of cream wouldn’t hurt, either, the result still containing a lot less fat than non-skim versions of QUARK.
QUARK provides you with a good foundation for lots of dishes, both savory and sweet ones. Mix it up with fruits and/or low-cal syrups, use garlic and ground cucumber to make a nice metze/tsatsiki to go along with potatoes…the possibilities are endless.
[/quote]
If i manage to find it ill definately give it a shot. The whole milk is working but bloating is a down side. But to gain weight it sure works fast.
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Well I certainly don’t need this thread to keep going, but me having skinny legs sure doesn’t answer anything about why I and others would gain a lot of fat or need to in order to get big lol
Of course, I will continue to gain weight and increase my lifts…got some compliments from the cafeteria workers today that I’m looking bigger (Been called the “egg man” and the “chicken guy” for all that I eat there haha)[/quote]
You don’t understand why having a balanced physique would help you avoid adding fat mass to reach your target weight?
Do you really think your body wants to keep growing if your legs aren’t big enough to support the weight.
I’d love to see a natural guy with a truly massive upper body and small legs. It’s just not going to happen. [/quote]
I’ve seen some close examples to that, of course i have no idea if they were natural or not, or if they had what you would consider a truely massive upper body, but its a plague that runs rampent at my university, oddly enough when i got back home for the summers i rarely ever see people look like that.[/quote]
?
You see guys weighing over 250lbs at 6 feet tall or less with NO leg development but 20" arms?
When we use words like “massive” it does NOT fucking mean some guy who is simply bigger than you.
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Fatty: I’m sure I could take a picture, I just don’t feel like it. I’m not looking for feedback on my physique so I don’t care about taking the picture and putting it up. No benefit to me.
BONEZ and LouDog: To be clear, my thighs aren’t that small compared to my upper body. It’s my calves that suck (15in. unfortunately)[/quote]
pumped340: I’m sure you could weigh 200 lbs lean, but you just don’t feel like eating and training for it. You’re not looking for good feedback on your bitches and complaints, so you don’t care about taking the picture and getting more accurate advice.
pumped340: To be clear, you conveniently didn’t mention what you can squat, and it’s probably your quads/hams that suck in addition to your calves. (not much over 15in unfortunately)
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Well I certainly don’t need this thread to keep going, but me having skinny legs sure doesn’t answer anything about why I and others would gain a lot of fat or need to in order to get big lol
Of course, I will continue to gain weight and increase my lifts…got some compliments from the cafeteria workers today that I’m looking bigger (Been called the “egg man” and the “chicken guy” for all that I eat there haha)[/quote]
You don’t understand why having a balanced physique would help you avoid adding fat mass to reach your target weight?
Do you really think your body wants to keep growing if your legs aren’t big enough to support the weight.
I’d love to see a natural guy with a truly massive upper body and small legs. It’s just not going to happen. [/quote]
I’ve seen some close examples to that, of course i have no idea if they were natural or not, or if they had what you would consider a truely massive upper body, but its a plague that runs rampent at my university, oddly enough when i got back home for the summers i rarely ever see people look like that.[/quote]
?
You see guys weighing over 250lbs at 6 feet tall or less with NO leg development but 20" arms?
When we use words like “massive” it does NOT fucking mean some guy who is simply bigger than you.[/quote]
My definition of truly massive is someone who, upon seeing the person, your first reaction is “holy shit” and you automatically assume he could be a successful bodybuilder.