[quote]Big Bencher wrote:
When I started this thread the statement was meant mostly for lifters who have to walk out a squat. After reading it again I can see how the monolift crowd might get defensive. I apologize to those lifters, as I respect anyone that has the guts to lift heavy in competition. I was corrected by a few members, in that I meant to say if you can walk it out you can squat it. Sorry for the confusion.
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Since this thread has evolved into the mono versus the walked out squat, I will add to it by saying that to those who say the mono was invented to enhance safety, it was created to give lifters an opportunity to lift more weight. Any safety issues that might be created are negated by putting far more weight on the bar than would be tolerated by walking it out. Our sport isn’t about safety, it’s about pushing the limits. [/quote]
Fair enough my friend. I didnt know this, and so saw your post and thought “dammit, another troll stirring up trouble.” My apologies.
Then in that case, I still disagree. I can walk with a shitload more on my back than I can squat, and I know I have missed lifts that I walked out no problem.
[quote]Big Bencher wrote:
I have used a mono and I honestly like them. I can see so many advantages using bands and chains, as there would be no swaying or pulling all over when you walk out the banded squats. The safety aspects are achieved as Tom said with the chains or some sort of straps, not the mono itself.The safety straps became a necessary addition just like the safety stands on a bench.
It isn’t easy to walkout a squat. It is a skill you develop with lots of practice and is a part of the lift in my fed. If the fed decides to get a mono rule in I don’t have a problem with it. Until then I have to walk it out. As I corrected in my previous post I think if I can walk it out I should be able to squat it. It is a mental mindset that you must have if you have to walk out a squat.
BB[/quote]
There is some point to what you say. I’d rather have a monolift, but walked them out just fine when monolifts were not on the scene yet.
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
For those who said 165 was okay depending on height.
IF he’s 5"2, that’s 62 inches. Divide by 165 and you get 2.66/lbs per inch.
If I used that multiplier on my height (76") I would weigh 202lbs @ 6"4. Sorry, but that’s skinny no matter how you cut it even for a fat guy like me.
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Short people are likely also going to be smaller wrt the other two dimensions as well. A weight/height ratio says little about how built someone is. Even BMI is more advanced than this as it uses height^2.
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
For those who said 165 was okay depending on height.
IF he’s 5"2, that’s 62 inches. Divide by 165 and you get 2.66/lbs per inch.
If I used that multiplier on my height (76") I would weigh 202lbs @ 6"4. Sorry, but that’s skinny no matter how you cut it even for a fat guy like me.
Last, BB, nice post with the clarification. You got your point across much better that time.
Monopoly[/quote]
Weight isn’t just dependent on height although I find Mr. BB to be plenty thick. It also has to do with the weight class at which you are more competitive for the sport. Over time you may go up (or down) but likely settle into a weight class that you can both maintain and is mechanically advantageous for you. For instance mine is 132lbs at 5’6" which is generally a bit light for my height in this sport but but it works for my mechanics. There’s no point getting bigger just to get bigger when you’re more competitive where you are. I suppose it depends on your perspective. I prefer to win rather than get big.
I prefer being bigger AND winning. In my sport, I could cut to make the 105kg class and would either be at the top of the AM’s or a pro. However there is no way in hell I’m going back to 230lbs. I’d rather be a mid pack heavyweight and be stronger overall than a smaller/weaker lightweight.
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
Weight isn’t just dependent on height although I find Mr. BB to be plenty thick. It also has to do with the weight class at which you are more competitive for the sport. Over time you may go up (or down) but likely settle into a weight class that you can both maintain and is mechanically advantageous for you. For instance mine is 132lbs at 5’6" which is generally a bit light for my height in this sport but but it works for my mechanics. There’s no point getting bigger just to get bigger when you’re more competitive where you are. I suppose it depends on your perspective. I prefer to win rather than get big.[/quote]
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
For those who said 165 was okay depending on height.
IF he’s 5"2, that’s 62 inches. Divide by 165 and you get 2.66/lbs per inch.
If I used that multiplier on my height (76") I would weigh 202lbs @ 6"4. Sorry, but that’s skinny no matter how you cut it even for a fat guy like me.
Last, BB, nice post with the clarification. You got your point across much better that time.
Monopoly[/quote]
Weight isn’t just dependent on height although I find Mr. BB to be plenty thick. It also has to do with the weight class at which you are more competitive for the sport. Over time you may go up (or down) but likely settle into a weight class that you can both maintain and is mechanically advantageous for you. For instance mine is 132lbs at 5’6" which is generally a bit light for my height in this sport but but it works for my mechanics. There’s no point getting bigger just to get bigger when you’re more competitive where you are. I suppose it depends on your perspective. I prefer to win rather than get big.[/quote]
Oooh good now we are going to start in on BB’s height.
He is a short little guy and he picks on other short people.
Yeah, I said it BB.
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
For those who said 165 was okay depending on height.
IF he’s 5"2, that’s 62 inches. Divide by 165 and you get 2.66/lbs per inch.
If I used that multiplier on my height (76") I would weigh 202lbs @ 6"4. Sorry, but that’s skinny no matter how you cut it even for a fat guy like me.
Last, BB, nice post with the clarification. You got your point across much better that time.
Monopoly[/quote]
Weight isn’t just dependent on height although I find Mr. BB to be plenty thick. It also has to do with the weight class at which you are more competitive for the sport. Over time you may go up (or down) but likely settle into a weight class that you can both maintain and is mechanically advantageous for you. For instance mine is 132lbs at 5’6" which is generally a bit light for my height in this sport but but it works for my mechanics. There’s no point getting bigger just to get bigger when you’re more competitive where you are. I suppose it depends on your perspective. I prefer to win rather than get big.[/quote]
Oooh good now we are going to start in on BB’s height.
He is a short little guy and he picks on other short people.
Yeah, I said it BB.
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I’m not picking on his height at all, let’s make that clear. I’m picking on his weight.
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
For those who said 165 was okay depending on height.
IF he’s 5"2, that’s 62 inches. Divide by 165 and you get 2.66/lbs per inch.
If I used that multiplier on my height (76") I would weigh 202lbs @ 6"4. Sorry, but that’s skinny no matter how you cut it even for a fat guy like me.
Last, BB, nice post with the clarification. You got your point across much better that time.
Monopoly[/quote]
Weight isn’t just dependent on height although I find Mr. BB to be plenty thick. It also has to do with the weight class at which you are more competitive for the sport. Over time you may go up (or down) but likely settle into a weight class that you can both maintain and is mechanically advantageous for you. For instance mine is 132lbs at 5’6" which is generally a bit light for my height in this sport but but it works for my mechanics. There’s no point getting bigger just to get bigger when you’re more competitive where you are. I suppose it depends on your perspective. I prefer to win rather than get big.[/quote]
Oooh good now we are going to start in on BB’s height.
He is a short little guy and he picks on other short people.
Yeah, I said it BB.
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I hope we aren’t going to have to take this outside lady because I think it may be something he’s dreamt about.
I also pick on the fat, the tall, and the visually impaired. Diana you aren’t short enough to be in my club.LOL If you do take it outside let me know. I know her weak points.
Monopoly I’m actually 5’3’’ so it changes the math. I can’t get any heavier if I tried. My GF would make me walk it off anyway. I went up to 175 for a little while and felt like crap. My levers work better at this weight.
Dianab I’m expecting a wrassling match so don’t make me beg.
[quote]Big Bencher wrote:
Since this thread has evolved into the mono versus the walked out squat, I will add to it by saying that to those who say the mono was invented to enhance safety, it was created to give lifters an opportunity to lift more weight. Any safety issues that might be created are negated by putting far more weight on the bar than would be tolerated by walking it out. Our sport isn’t about safety, it’s about pushing the limits. [/quote]
I think it would be interesting to ask lifters that currently HAVE to walk out (fed rules) if they would like to have the option to use a monolift. My guess is most would embrace the oppertunity.
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
For those who said 165 was okay depending on height.
IF he’s 5"2, that’s 62 inches. Divide by 165 and you get 2.66/lbs per inch.
If I used that multiplier on my height (76") I would weigh 202lbs @ 6"4. Sorry, but that’s skinny no matter how you cut it even for a fat guy like me.
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Short people are likely also going to be smaller wrt the other two dimensions as well. A weight/height ratio says little about how built someone is. Even BMI is more advanced than this as it uses height^2.[/quote]
X2
weight is volume based. 165 at 5 3 is much bigger than 202 at 6 4 proportionally.
[quote]Big Bencher wrote:
Since this thread has evolved into the mono versus the walked out squat, I will add to it by saying that to those who say the mono was invented to enhance safety, it was created to give lifters an opportunity to lift more weight. Any safety issues that might be created are negated by putting far more weight on the bar than would be tolerated by walking it out. Our sport isn’t about safety, it’s about pushing the limits. [/quote]
I think it would be interesting to ask lifters that currently HAVE to walk out (fed rules) if they would like to have the option to use a monolift. My guess is most would embrace the oppertunity.[/quote]
I’m a walk out fed, and I’d like to try a mono, but there aren’t any at any of the places I train at, so having one for competition wouldn’t really mean much to me.
[quote]Big Bencher wrote:
Since this thread has evolved into the mono versus the walked out squat, I will add to it by saying that to those who say the mono was invented to enhance safety, it was created to give lifters an opportunity to lift more weight. Any safety issues that might be created are negated by putting far more weight on the bar than would be tolerated by walking it out. Our sport isn’t about safety, it’s about pushing the limits. [/quote]
I think it would be interesting to ask lifters that currently HAVE to walk out (fed rules) if they would like to have the option to use a monolift. My guess is most would embrace the oppertunity.[/quote]
I’m a walk out fed, and I’d like to try a mono, but there aren’t any at any of the places I train at, so having one for competition wouldn’t really mean much to me. [/quote]
It takes some mental effort to unrack the bar in your squat stance and not take steps back if you aren’t used to it.
[quote]Big Bencher wrote:
Since this thread has evolved into the mono versus the walked out squat, I will add to it by saying that to those who say the mono was invented to enhance safety, it was created to give lifters an opportunity to lift more weight. Any safety issues that might be created are negated by putting far more weight on the bar than would be tolerated by walking it out. Our sport isn’t about safety, it’s about pushing the limits. [/quote]
I think it would be interesting to ask lifters that currently HAVE to walk out (fed rules) if they would like to have the option to use a monolift. My guess is most would embrace the oppertunity.[/quote]
I’m a walk out fed, and I’d like to try a mono, but there aren’t any at any of the places I train at, so having one for competition wouldn’t really mean much to me. [/quote]
It takes some mental effort to unrack the bar in your squat stance and not take steps back if you aren’t used to it.[/quote]
That’s what I would have thought. I played around a bit in one at a buddy’s in Toronto with light weight. I think it would take a bit of retraining to adjust your set up to be wide and set to squat and not automatically walk it back.
[quote]Big Bencher wrote:
Since this thread has evolved into the mono versus the walked out squat, I will add to it by saying that to those who say the mono was invented to enhance safety, it was created to give lifters an opportunity to lift more weight. Any safety issues that might be created are negated by putting far more weight on the bar than would be tolerated by walking it out. Our sport isn’t about safety, it’s about pushing the limits. [/quote]
I think it would be interesting to ask lifters that currently HAVE to walk out (fed rules) if they would like to have the option to use a monolift. My guess is most would embrace the oppertunity.[/quote]
I’m a walk out fed, and I’d like to try a mono, but there aren’t any at any of the places I train at, so having one for competition wouldn’t really mean much to me. [/quote]
It takes some mental effort to unrack the bar in your squat stance and not take steps back if you aren’t used to it.[/quote]
That’s what I would have thought. I played around a bit in one at a buddy’s in Toronto with light weight. I think it would take a bit of retraining to adjust your set up to be wide and set to squat and not automatically walk it back.[/quote]
It’s not uncomon for people to go ahead and walk it out, out of a mono because they aren’t used to it and it would screw up their rhythm otherwise.
[quote]Big Bencher wrote:
Since this thread has evolved into the mono versus the walked out squat, I will add to it by saying that to those who say the mono was invented to enhance safety, it was created to give lifters an opportunity to lift more weight. Any safety issues that might be created are negated by putting far more weight on the bar than would be tolerated by walking it out. Our sport isn’t about safety, it’s about pushing the limits. [/quote]
I think it would be interesting to ask lifters that currently HAVE to walk out (fed rules) if they would like to have the option to use a monolift. My guess is most would embrace the oppertunity.[/quote]
I’m a walk out fed, and I’d like to try a mono, but there aren’t any at any of the places I train at, so having one for competition wouldn’t really mean much to me. [/quote]
It takes some mental effort to unrack the bar in your squat stance and not take steps back if you aren’t used to it.[/quote]
That’s what I would have thought. I played around a bit in one at a buddy’s in Toronto with light weight. I think it would take a bit of retraining to adjust your set up to be wide and set to squat and not automatically walk it back.[/quote]
I’ve only ever used a monolift twice, both in competition - I have to walk my squats out in training. I had absolutely no problems adjusting on meet day, and feel a lot more stable not having to stagger back with it.
[quote]Big Bencher wrote:
I am starting this thread to prove me wrong.
Let the flaming begin. But remember the subject.
BB[/quote]
Truth cannot be flamed. Unrack, walkout, squat to whatever your fed, lifting partner, dog, little sister, etc. considers legal, walk it in, rack. That is a squat. I’m not sure what that inverted smith machine looking thing is.