the baseball thing amuses me because of the way they cherry pick which cheating-things are ok and which aren’t.
There was a period of time in the 60s/70s when amphetamines were HUGE in baseball. Everyone used them. And nobody talks about that. But amphetamines are absolutely game changers when it comes to sports, specifically hitting and pitching. Why the ‘old guard’ of baseball has such a huge problem with steroid users, but they give zero shits about amphetamines of a previous diecade, is beyond me. It’s so arbitrary.
I would argue that there are environmental factors out of your control that could sap your “natural” state and leave you in the low area. So if my norm is 950 but environmental factors have dropped me to 200 what is my natural number? We generally dont run testosterone screenings unless there is an issue so this “natural” state, before outside influence, is mostly unknown.
Perhaps. I see your point but my point is that If my Test was 900 in my 20s but 10 years of environmental hammering (EDCs) drops it to 200 and my TRT puts me back at 900. Which is my “natural” number? Is it 900 or is it 200?
your natural number is ‘whatever you have without taking drugs to directly replace the testosterone your body isn’t creating’. IMO.
Like, we wouldn’t be having this conversation about other body-things. If a dude weighs 400 lbs, he doesn’t get to say ‘my natural weight is 150 lbs, but as a result of environmental changes, my body has adapted by becoming 250 lbs heavier.’ Similarly, we wouldn’t say someone who has cholesterol, blood sugar, triglycerides, whatever you want to go with, would be a natural level after taking drugs to fix it. The natural level is what they are without drugs. Then they take drugs to reach a more ideal level.
We are not only replacing natural levels; we are optimizing. Any man who is on T has an advantage in recovery times and other things like strength due to better muscle growth and such… if I was natural at 40 I wouldn’t be able to recover as fast when on TRT.
This topic doesn’t make sense. It kind of hurts my head. There’s no way I can say I’m natural. I inject myself to reach normal or more.
but at the end of the day, ‘natural’ and ‘normal’ are 2 different things. You don’t go on TRT to be natural. You go on it to be normal. Which is fine. It’s just not a natural way to reach that point. The testosterone that you inject is synthetic, not naturally produced. That should be the beginning and end of the conversation.
all good. any time you click on the reply button on a specific post, the original poster is notified, and it looks like you’re directly responding to them. just an fyi.
how common is ‘natural’ testosterone. I was under the impression that anything synthesized in a lab was considered synthetic. Is that not technically correct? I’m still assuming most people on trt or steroids are using synthetic, but I am curious about this.
I only said natural because it came from plant or animal. Whereas most of the test we take is synthetic, created in a lab. I was looking into this a while back . Bioidentical test can have upwards of 20% or more in the actual potency. Plus there is no data that i can find that proves Bio is safer.
Bio is extracted from plants or animals but still undergoes a process.
“Some of the advertisements about bioidenticals would lead you to believe that they are more natural, and therefore, safer,” says Dr. Deibert. “But that’s just simply not the case.”
Bioidenticals are termed “natural” because they are derived from plant or animal sources and not created in a lab. However, most of these products still undergo significant processing in a lab to reach the final form, explains Dr. Deibert. Synthetic replacements, on the other hand, are made of chemicals and compounds in a lab that mimic the same structure and chemical composition of hormones produced by the body.
When you work the muscle, the fuel that the muscle is using for energy is glucose. The body responds by raising blood glucose levels, either by the food you just ate, or if that’s not available the liver will make more via gluconeogenesis. When the blood glucose levels rise, the insulin is triggered to pull that glucose out of the blood and shuttle it into the muscles for more energy, or store it inside of the fat cells if the muscles are already saturated.
So to my previous post, if a type 1 diabetic does not produce insulin, he could die from the excess glucose buildup in the bloodstream. If he dies, he’s not building muscle right? If he does inject his insulin, it is aiding him in building muscle by delivering the needed energy to work them in the first place.
Either way, it’s aiding in the muscle building process right? Or am I way off on how the science of this works?
sorry. I totally agree funny topic really