I Want Traps and Quads!

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]Dr Stig wrote:
hueyOT wrote:
Dr Stig wrote:
As mentioned, a general compound movements workout, avoid isolation unless its to target muscles which assist bigger lifts and may get injured otherwise like rotator cuff work and maybe some forearm work.

When you have some overall mass, then a dedicated overhead squat programme and deadlift prog are very good ideas.

why do i get the feeling to is your answer to every single question about training?

‘avoid isolation! only do compound!’

Well there is of course no true isolation and all exercises are compound, so I’m wrong there.

However you are taking my comments out of context, you should think more laterally. This chap needs to save his energy for compound movements which will also stress the muscles he might want to work in ‘isolation’. I don’t see which part of that is such a problem ?

If he was getting ready for a comp or had adequately developed his physique then doing direct work would be just fine and dandy.

Sorry, was I supposed to flame and insult you ?

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why are you under the impression that the OP doesn’t have enough energy to perform both compound lifts and isolation movements? why do you seem to imply that isolation exercises will interfere with his progression in compound lifts?

it’s about balancing volume. it can be done for trainees of all levels. YOU DO NOT NEED TO GRADUATE TO PERFORM ISOLATION LIFTS.

doing some barbell curls here and there will NOT overtrain him because he’s already done some chins and rows. trust me, he’ll survive. and he’ll make progress.

if he has hanging tucks incorporated into the same routine as front squats, his abs will survive and he will grow and he won’t overtrain. and he will make progress. you seem to be under the impression that this guy must be super duper careful with isolation exercises so as not to waste any of his scarce life energy.

newbies must learn isolation movements as well as compound lifts. stop parotting the same anti-isolation bullshit <without any reasoning in regards to why, except BAD ADVICE that you MAKE UP> that i see every day in here.

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[quote]Dr Stig wrote:
hueyOT wrote:
Dr Stig wrote:
As mentioned, a general compound movements workout, avoid isolation unless its to target muscles which assist bigger lifts and may get injured otherwise like rotator cuff work and maybe some forearm work.

When you have some overall mass, then a dedicated overhead squat programme and deadlift prog are very good ideas.

why should he avoid isolation movements unless they target muscles which assist in bigger lifts? the only isolation work he should do is rotator cuff work and maybe forearm work?

did you even read what the OP asked? he was looking to emphasize his quads and his traps.

Sure I read it, and like everyone else I gave him advice not particular or pertaining to his exact question, which was in all aspects, correct.[/quote]

your advice was to avoid all isolation movements except those that are relevant to increasing his performance in the compound lifts.

that is BAD ADVICE and it makes NO SENSE. i’ve already addressed your nonsense reasoning as to why isolation movements should be avoided.

you will never, ever, ever, ever accomplish ANYTHING impressive in powerlifting or in bodybuilding by taking that sort of anti-isolation approach.

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Joe Weider is in the house.

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[quote]Dr Stig wrote:
Joe Weider is in the house.[/quote]

i’ll take that as a concession that you’ve got nothing of value to offer.

and to label me as a joe weider fanboy is beyond ridiculous considering my training philosophy. it is clear you are not in a position to be handing out advice to anyone regarding training and/or program design/methodology. it shows how little you know about training to imply that simply because i criticize your post, that i adhere to joe weider’s training principles of increased intensity techniques, training to failure, for the pump, etc…

stop giving out training advice. seriously. at least in regards to your general philosophy against isolation movements. who knows, maybe you have good squat technique.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
alocubano1110 wrote:
Roy wrote:

Isolation exercises BUILD MASS. What the fuck else did you think they did? Burn fat?

my point is that the compound movements build more mass overall and faster the isolation movements. Would you do bicep curls as a beginner or chins or rows to work the biceps and also the back. I’m just saying that I think that compound movements are better if you are a beginner and will get more mass on you quicker and all over. get my point?

I did biceps curls as a beginner and am very glad I did. I would never recommend soemone avoid them unless they are well below average in strength and so weak that they simply need to get back to “average” before progressing further.

I am willing to bet you only think the way you do because of what an author has written. How many truly big guys would tell you to never do biceps curls as a beginner?[/quote]

I see your point. Isolation exercises should also be used with compound movements I do agree with that. I was just giving this kid a tip. I obviously didn’t word what i wanted to say the right way.

What I meant to say was that as a beginner for more strength gains in muscle and strength you would benefit more from compound movements in the beginning, this was true with ME. I dont do full body workouts. I started working out in weight training by just doing the bench, dips, squat, powerclean, hang clean, and deadlift. I made A LOT of good gains on this alone. went from 145 to 180 in exactly a year at 5’10. I have pretty good trap size thanks to the cleans and deadlifts(which is why i tried to give this guy how i got traps).

Well, take care. -Adam

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Look it is my opinion. I’m offering this guy my knowledge. Which might not be much but has taken me from 145 to 180. This is the way I built my body and I’m sharing it with him. If you have a problem with that then kindly just ignore my comment/advice. You don’t see me “flaming” you or acting rude in any way. I’m simply giving him some advice. He could leave it or take that’s his choice. I just wanted to suggest something that might help him.