I Don't Warm Up, I Don't Stretch

[Frank_C]

It looks like something to be used to rehab severe spinal injuries.

[duketheslaya]

god i love this site

[anon50325502]

@exercisemachina

"Many people – including some serious athletes and, apparently, even personal trainers – ditch these components, often in the interest of time or pursuit of intensity, finds Jim White, a personal trainer and dietitian with studios in Virginia. “People are just busy, and they skip the warmup and cool down,” he says.

What’s more, what minimal research exists in the area doesn’t entirely paint warming up as a do-or-die aspect of exercise, says Megan Moran, a physical therapist and running program specialist at MedStar NHR Rehabilitation Network, Ballston-Marymount. “We don’t have a lot of evidence that it’s going to decrease your risk of injury,” she says."

The very next paragraph:

@Frank_C

“Who wants to do max effort sprints from starting blocks without warming up to see if it causes injury?”

Uh, I think I’ll pass.

Pretty sure 99% of us will pass, lol.

[FlatsFarmer]

Those machines look like they could be fun to mess around on.

Did you guys hear that Ed Coan interview where he talked about having an old school isokinetic machine in his basement as a kid? He pushed as hard as possible, the bar never moved any faster. He didn’t say it was the foundation of his lifting, but he did mention using it as a kid.

Louie has a similar machine, where the bar is on a rail, like a Smith machine.

[beerisgoodforyou]

These videos aren’t new. A few of them are from 2013. Where are the 5 years transformations? The guy that owns a gym full of these looks like he’s never touched a weight. I’m guessing everyone wised up and bailed.

[T3hPwnisher]

Pretty much. Once again, all we have is evidence that this sort of training doesn’t work.

I also agree you don’t need to warm-up to train like this.

[flipcollar]

For fuck’s sake, OP. Full disclosure at the beginning of this thread would have been nice, eh? Like, saying you use this particular machine? I didn’t even consider the fact that you might not have performed your deadlift on something other than a barbell. This is truly hilarious.

In all seriousness, I will paypal you 50 dollars if you can post a video of yourself deadlifting 400 lbs on a barbell. I didn’t think much of the claim initially, since 400 isn’t impressive to me in the first place, but now that I know your ‘max’ on this machine is only 410, I’d be willing to bet money that it does not translate to the same weight on a barbell.

I’d also be interested in what this machine DOES translate to in real life. I’ll send 20 bucks if you’ll show us a true max barbell deadlift, whatever it is. So like, after you fail with 400, Show us what you can do. Whether it’s 350, 300, whatever. You’ll get the 20 bucks for ANY successful barbell lift.

[knobby22]

410 on that machine is my warm up.

I agree with flip and will match his offer of 50/20.

[Rattus]

@flipcollar

In all seriousness, I will paypal you 50 dollars if you can post a video of yourself deadlifting 400 lbs on a barbell

Can he warm up for the lift?

[anon50325502]

Do it, OP. Easiest $40 bucks ever. I’d do it.

[anon50325502]

Ya, with 340.

[ActivitiesGuy]

Lol, tremendous.

[Silyak]

The thing about that machine is it tells you how much force you applied through each portion of the lift. You fail a deadlift unless you can apply enough force to get through all portions of the lift. When the OP says 410lbs is that the maximum force he applied throughout the ROM, or the minimum force? Because minimum force applied throughout the ROM is what will tell you your max deadlift on a barbell (adjusting a little up if you can get momentum to carry you through the sticking point).

If it’s maximum applied, that is essentially equivalent to a 410lb rack pull from a few inches above the knees. Even if he has a pussy, that’s fairly mundane.

[chris_ottawa]

@exercisemachina

ARXfit is at gyms that have them. It’s very new technology. The reason I’d use it is because it is a resistance machine. Instead of using weights, it uses a motor. Whatever level of resistance you apply to it, it applies back at you with exactly the same level.

This is not new technology. I have Fred Hatfield’s book “Powerlifting: A Scientific Approach”, it talks about using isokinetic machines that do the exact thing you just described. This book was published in 1981.

Also, you just proved that you can’t actually deadlift 410. You don’t even lift weights at all.

[anon50325502]

This might have just bumped the Predator Diet as my favorite thread of all time.

[chris_ottawa]

@flipcollar

I’d also be interested in what this machine DOES translate to in real life.

It’s 410 at his strongest point in the ROM. How much can you rack pull from above the knees?

[ActivitiesGuy]

@exercisemachina

But I tried it out at the Bulletproof Biohacking conference and I became a believer right away

That’s terrific that you are a believer.

As you have still not provided any evidence that you have achieved something worth emulating from a physique or performance standpoint, I remain puzzled as to why you think anyone else would want to follow your approach.

[flipcollar]

if you become a believer in a particular machine or lifting system ‘right away from trying it’, then you are a fool. There is no way to reasonably come to that conclusion from a single trial.

[flipcollar]

@chris_ottawa

It’s 410 at his strongest point in the ROM. How much can you rack pull from above the knees?

Maybe 800? This isn’t a lift I really perform in training, obviously lol. But since I’ve done 800 on a frame deadlift with handles below my knees, something in that range seems likely.

[antiquity]

@Silyak

When the OP says 410lbs is that the maximum force he applied throughout the ROM, or the minimum force? Because minimum force applied throughout the ROM is what will tell you your max deadlift on a barbell (adjusting a little up if you can get momentum to carry you through the sticking point).

That’s exactly right, and I had been thinking the same thing. The machine won’t let you fail, so it will adjust down to accommodate any weak points that would result in a failure when using barbells. It seems to me this is a fatal flaw of using this as your primary source of training.