[quote]smokotime wrote:Increased ability to take punishment.
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Where did you pull this from?
[quote]smokotime wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
ALL things being EQUAL, the bigger and stronger guy will win.
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I agree completely. It is amusing to see people try to justify that being small is an “advantage” when you bring this up in real life though. Increased reach, strength and ability to take punishment is not something an intelligent fighter would smirk at.
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Jesus, who the fuck said it was an advantage? Where’s your fucking reading comprension?
In “real life” things are never equal, and one fuckin punch can end everything. Size is secondary to ferocity, the willingness to strike first, the person’s mindset, and the willingness to escalate quickly to a level of force that might be lethal.
The person with that mindset and attitude will win in real encounter, whether they’re large or small.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]smokotime wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
ALL things being EQUAL, the bigger and stronger guy will win.
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I agree completely. It is amusing to see people try to justify that being small is an “advantage” when you bring this up in real life though. Increased reach, strength and ability to take punishment is not something an intelligent fighter would smirk at.
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Jesus, who the fuck said it was an advantage? Where’s your fucking reading comprension?
In “real life” things are never equal, and one fuckin punch can end everything. Size is secondary to ferocity, the willingness to strike first, the person’s mindset, and the willingness to escalate quickly to a level of force that might be lethal.
The person with that mindset and attitude will win in real encounter, whether they’re large or small.[/quote]
I meant when people talk about this to me in real life, as opposed to what people have posted in the forum. Funnily enough, I was trying to avoid this misunderstanding.
[quote]smokotime wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]smokotime wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
ALL things being EQUAL, the bigger and stronger guy will win.
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I agree completely. It is amusing to see people try to justify that being small is an “advantage” when you bring this up in real life though. Increased reach, strength and ability to take punishment is not something an intelligent fighter would smirk at.
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Jesus, who the fuck said it was an advantage? Where’s your fucking reading comprension?
In “real life” things are never equal, and one fuckin punch can end everything. Size is secondary to ferocity, the willingness to strike first, the person’s mindset, and the willingness to escalate quickly to a level of force that might be lethal.
The person with that mindset and attitude will win in real encounter, whether they’re large or small.[/quote]
I meant when people talk about this to me in real life, as opposed to what people have posted in the forum. Funnily enough, I was trying to avoid this misunderstanding.
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Got you… sorry about that. My fault.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
[quote]smokotime wrote:Increased ability to take punishment.
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Where did you pull this from?[/quote]
I was under the impression that carrying around extra muscle mass helped when taking blows to the upper arm, back, upper legs, and the abdominal/rib area (to a lesser degree). Of course, a blow to a vulnerable joint or the face/jaw isn’t going to be diminished by muscle.
Admittedly I’m not going from scientific studies or anything. It is just something that is taken for granted in contact sports that I’ve played that the bigger more muscular guys are able to take more hits and fatigue less from heavy contact than significantly smaller guys; also it is echoed by the boxers I know, though I am lacking in personal experience in that regard.
Ok bro, we get that you are small and get angry and will beat bigger people with your MMARAGE
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]stickel62 wrote:
I get what most of you guys are saying about size and fighting. But it also depends on how a person carries himself. He can be big and buff as hell with no cordination and will get his ass kicked. Or if he cant throw a punch with more force than my grandmother it doesn’t matter how big his arms are. A legit fighter is someone who has over years of training maximized there strength and force out put for fighting. Sure a football player who is 280 and built can punch hard, but get a 200 pound fighter/ boxer with a decent amount of training and experience and I bet he hits harder, faster and will kick the football players ass.
Just to note I’m not bashing on football guys. I was a football guy in highschool as well as a wrestler for 9 years and still am.[/quote]
This is fantasy.
I am guessing some of you just NEED to feel like everyone who is big can be beaten by someone smaller no matter what. So be it…but 280lbs football players are no pushovers and again, ASSUMING that some huge guy can’t hold his own could potentially be the last mistake some of you make.
Quit underestimating ANYONE and leave it at that.[/quote]
I almost overestimate people too much. If there seems to be any trouble with somebody I do not charge in assuming it will be a walk in the park and that I hill easily pull some ridiculous move out of my butt and kill the guy. In wrestling I would go up against a guy I was much better then, but I had talked him up in my head because I didn’t want to be surprised and it was effective as it caused me to bring my A-game and not count a guy out until he was pinned.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Got you… sorry about that. My fault.[/quote]
No harm done! Thanks for clearing the air, anyhow. It’s damn classy and I appreciate the gesture.
I definitely agree that in the real world you can never be assured of the outcome, and that being big and strong isn’t everything. To paraphrase you, knowing what to do and being willing to ramp it up to 11 before the other guy knows what hit him is more important than being big and strong.
It can still go pear-shaped at any moment; a slip, a lucky punch, a friend hitting you from behind, a weapon coming out etc. That’s the real world, and someone who thinks that any amount of training is going to change that has forgotten that ANYBODY can get their ass kicked.
Skill and ending it as quickly as possible is purely risk minimisation, rather than negating it entirely.
Even in a controlled environment like boxing, you see plenty of occasions when a faster more skillful boxer is brought undone by just one punch (the recent Green v. Jones Jr comes to mind)
Anyhow, to the point, my thoughts are:
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Being big and strong makes a dangerous person more dangerous.
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If a “fight” is the macho chestbeating type, then size and strength are way more important than when people are simply trying to kill each other.
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Training MMA doesn’t qualify someone as a real dangerous person in it’s own right. Aside from the mental aspects Irish has touched on, just have a look at the long list of moves prohibited in competition in the UFC.
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I write and think too much, particularly since the annoying people who need to latch on to something that makes them better than you are not gonna stop. It might not be MMA, but they always find something.
Big guys do similar bullshit like this. Nothing to do with size just to do with being a prick who also normally sucks at fighting.
You get a lot of pricks in gyms with this crap attitude who after training for a week were nothing but fight clothes who I am sure tell everyone they can beat them up they normally A. stay signed up but don’t ever show up just so they can say they train
B. Come for a week every three months then normally transition to A
C1. Quit in a month but likely still claim to be fighters and have the bs attitude
C2. Get the shit beat out of them for being pricks and quit in one day then proceed with C1.
Pertaining also to the clothes thread don’t blame the clothes I know a lot of nice guys who were the stuff who are just fans and have the utmost respect for fighters and don’t claim to be fighters they just wear it as fans or cuz it’s stylish. Also some legit fighters wear it but most are nice guys rarely have the attitude except at some gyms that are good fighters but complete pricks some brazillian gyms have been notoriouse for this.
It’s jsut the illusion of all the guys wearing the stuff being dicks cuz the small percentage that are can be seen/heard from a mile away and probably annoy everyone within a ten mile radius of them.
I would say that its true for fighters that have at least a purple belt in BJJ can defeat anyone bigger than them. Not true of some punk kid who took an “MMA” class at some McDojo trying to cash in. Everyone has a punchers chance no matter what level they are at and what condition they are in. Don’t hate or blame the game. Hate the player wannabe’s and remember, braggers never perform as they claim. 99% of all the real badasses I’ve met and the smaller % that I’ve had the privilege to spar/roll with don’t act like badasses. Matter of fact, they are so humble that you wouldn’t even think they are fighters. The only time I wear any clothing related to MMA is when I’m training, obviously, and when I want to rep my school out in the world.
Just be thankful you dont run into UFC black belts who have had a few fights in the ammys against no names that dont even fight any more bragging about how they’re the best fighters in the world. I’ll take the tapout couch-belts over them any day.
FYI:Al Bundy (Ed O’Neill) is a Gracie Jiu Jitsu black belt trained by Rorian Gracie himself.
[quote]admbaum wrote:
I would say that its true for fighters that have at least a purple belt in BJJ can defeat anyone bigger than them. [/quote]
Never heard of Kina Mutai I guess. BJJ is nada by comparison.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]admbaum wrote:
I would say that its true for fighters that have at least a purple belt in BJJ can defeat anyone bigger than them. [/quote]
Never heard of Kina Mutai I guess. BJJ is nada by comparison.
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I wouldn’t bite someone in a street fight (blood born coodies). That said, what the fuck does that have to do with anything? When was the last time you saw anyone use a Filipino MA in UFC?
Also, IMO, Kali is the only Filipino MA worth investing in. Just make sure you have your weapons available to you at all times. And no I will not engage you any further in MA vs MA. Take that shit to sherdog.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]smokotime wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
ALL things being EQUAL, the bigger and stronger guy will win.
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I agree completely. It is amusing to see people try to justify that being small is an “advantage” when you bring this up in real life though. Increased reach, strength and ability to take punishment is not something an intelligent fighter would smirk at.
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Jesus, who the fuck said it was an advantage? Where’s your fucking reading comprension?
In “real life” things are never equal, and one fuckin punch can end everything. Size is secondary to ferocity, the willingness to strike first, the person’s mindset, and the willingness to escalate quickly to a level of force that might be lethal.
The person with that mindset and attitude will win in real encounter, whether they’re large or small.[/quote]
Very true. The fella i mentioned is not very big. And he’d agree with you. fights are never equal. Strength might help in certain cicumstances, but once you’re big enough, you’re big enough.
Kevin’s daughters are all trained by him and they are very competent. Any guy trying to play unauthorized grabass would have a serious problem. First the surprise thing. then the knife thing.
A 200 pound guy wouldn’t get much sympathy from a jury if he was knifed by a100 lb female during a date rape.
[quote]admbaum wrote:
I would say that its true for fighters that have at least a purple belt in BJJ can defeat anyone bigger than them. [/quote]
Are you serious? It’s not even a complete martial art.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]JCholeras wrote:
My roommate at school just started doing jujitsu about 2 months ago and now never shuts up about how he could “tap” everyone. He is 6’3 170lbs by the way and has a worse body than Gumby but no matter who gets brought up he says he could tap them, especially when he is drunk. It is by far the most annoying thing ever. He also tries to critique my diet saying eating 2 chicken breasts in one sitting is “unhealthy” as he demolishes a whole box of Kraft Dinner while drinking a can of Coke.[/quote]
There’s a lot of awful people in this world, and your roommate sounds like one. I suggest you beat him in the night with a blackjack.[/quote]
I bought an old fashioned sap from the fellow I mentioned. He’s a custom knife guy but likes making stuff. I think it’s 16ozs and a whack to the back of the head when you’re not looking might be permanent lights out. As you said ferocity does matter.
Especially if they have a stick, knife etc.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Would you rather have blackbelt, or this?[/quote]
http://steeladdictionknives.com/store/images/newpanther00009.jpg
This is much better.A Mad Dog Panther. Ten inch blade that will take off an arm or leg. Fast with an almost unbreakable handle , full tang blade with selective tempering. All hand made.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]JCholeras wrote:
My roommate at school just started doing jujitsu about 2 months ago and now never shuts up about how he could “tap” everyone. He is 6’3 170lbs by the way and has a worse body than Gumby but no matter who gets brought up he says he could tap them, especially when he is drunk. It is by far the most annoying thing ever. He also tries to critique my diet saying eating 2 chicken breasts in one sitting is “unhealthy” as he demolishes a whole box of Kraft Dinner while drinking a can of Coke.[/quote]
There’s a lot of awful people in this world, and your roommate sounds like one. I suggest you beat him in the night with a blackjack.[/quote]
I bought an old fashioned sap from the fellow I mentioned. He’s a custom knife guy but likes making stuff. I think it’s 16ozs and a whack to the back of the head when you’re not looking might be permanent lights out. As you said ferocity does matter.
Especially if they have a stick, knife etc.[/quote]
That’s cool man. Those things are underrated… the only thing is that if you’re caught with it, good luck in telling the cop that it’s some kind of tool and not a weapon haha.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
[quote]admbaum wrote:
I would say that its true for fighters that have at least a purple belt in BJJ can defeat anyone bigger than them. [/quote]
Are you serious? It’s not even a complete martial art. [/quote]
Define “complete martial art”
Cant wait to hear this.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
In “real life” things are never equal, and one fuckin punch can end everything. Size is secondary to ferocity, the willingness to strike first, the person’s mindset, and the willingness to escalate quickly to a level of force that might be lethal.
The person with that mindset and attitude will win in real encounter, whether they’re large or small.[/quote]
I have to agree on this point, the guy who has no limits will pretty much be able to do anything and he’s more certain that he’ll succeed while the other guy is second guessing (fight/flight) what to do next.
I’m reminded sometimes of smaller dogs constantly barking or the need to stamp their territory while certain bigger dogs stay quiet and only flare up when defending is the only option. Of course there are docile small breeds and aggressive large breeds but for the most part small dogs like small men have something to prove (whether it’s warranted or not).