Well, a smaller guy is a GUN is obviously gonna win the ‘‘fight’’. Also, I never claimed that I’d kick a pro-boxer’s ass because I’m bigger just so were clear.
What I’m ranting about is kids who never lifted / practiced sports in their lifes, but ‘‘started training MMA’’ OR ‘‘have been in street fights’’ and suddenly take your size for granted and think they can pretty much walk through anyone bigger because of their ‘‘background’’.
There are obviously a LOT of factors involved in street fights, but my point is that on a ‘‘fair’’ ground (not drunk vs gun for example), the bigger guy will nearly almost come out on top.
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This I can agree with. I’ve got a punk ass bitch like this at my gym. Guy is 15 and always talking about how he was the king of the streets where he came from. Tried to work out with me and couldnt even bench or squat with my warm-ups. I’m not huge but bigger than him adn he talks twice my size.
andrew_live…being from ontario, CAN…king of the streets maybe not…but you sure as hell can bet there are kids in LA that are 15, packin heat and WILL blast you away depsite being very small.
If you are PHYSICALLY fit…note I didn’t say trained in a martial art. But if you got some weight to you (200lbs) and are definately strong, a simple thing like this technique will take out guys heavier than you. KELLY McCANN - Lapel Grab / Chin Jab - YouTube
Like he explains in the video, this would have to be a real situation and not something as a drunk guy being an idiot. In that case, a hard slap will leave them very disorientated if you wanna do something about it other than walking away.
[quote]rasturai wrote:
If you are PHYSICALLY fit…note I didn’t say trained in a martial art. But if you got some weight to you (200lbs) and are definately strong, a simple thing like this technique will take out guys heavier than you. KELLY McCANN - Lapel Grab / Chin Jab - YouTube
Like he explains in the video, this would have to be a real situation and not something as a drunk guy being an idiot. In that case, a hard slap will leave them very disorientated if you wanna do something about it other than walking away.
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Haha. That’s Mccann… he’s a pretty badass character. I just read his book yesterday… fantastic stuff.
Another thing that’s retarded with this thread is that everyone here is seeming to think that these guys are MUTUTALLY agreeing to fight? I don’t know how kinda places you guys go to, but pretty much all street fights/bar fights begin by one thing.
One guy hits the other guy first giving that guy a HUGE advantage to follow up.
You rarely see 2 guys walking up to eachother, squaring off and then fighting…unless it’s some sort of organized street fight.
I don’t know how small the guys you are talking about, but I’ve never seen a 135lber challenge a 250lb guy. I’ve seen 150lbs against 200lbs, but I think anything over 50lbs unless the guy is VERY fat it usually doesn’t slide. In that case let’s take a 200lb guy who knows his shit against a 250lber, you guys are crazy to assume that a 200lb guy can’t take out a 250lber.
Let’s assume the 200lbers is a boxer/trainer ina few other things. The 250lber is a football player (that seems to be the theme here). Like in joe defracno’s video, the jaw doesn’t have muscles. The 200lb guy might feel more threatended, if he’s a boxer he will probably do the first hit if his mind is right. In which case 250lber if he ain’t KO’ed, he will be soon.
2nd thing - here’s another scenario that would work if he wasn’t a boxer and trained in anything else. and BY THE WAY PEOPLE you do not need YEARS of training to complete a technique I’m about to show you. Something like this, being brutally aggressive, fast etc. will eliminate the fight fast…and that’s the way it should be if you decide to fight in a bar etc. it should be IN AND GET THE HELL OUT. I mean really if you don’t have the guy taken out in 5-7 seconds this is not good.
[quote]stickel62 wrote:
I get what most of you guys are saying about size and fighting. But it also depends on how a person carries himself. He can be big and buff as hell with no cordination and will get his ass kicked. Or if he cant throw a punch with more force than my grandmother it doesn’t matter how big his arms are. A legit fighter is someone who has over years of training maximized there strength and force out put for fighting. Sure a football player who is 280 and built can punch hard, but get a 200 pound fighter/ boxer with a decent amount of training and experience and I bet he hits harder, faster and will kick the football players ass.
Just to note I’m not bashing on football guys. I was a football guy in highschool as well as a wrestler for 9 years and still am.[/quote]
This is fantasy.
I am guessing some of you just NEED to feel like everyone who is big can be beaten by someone smaller no matter what. So be it…but 280lbs football players are no pushovers and again, ASSUMING that some huge guy can’t hold his own could potentially be the last mistake some of you make.
Quit underestimating ANYONE and leave it at that.[/quote]
I think this is the singular truth when it comes to the subject of fighting, be it armed or just fisticuffs. Underestimate your opponent and he WILL surprise you. If it absolutely has to come to blows, throw like your life depends on it.
Again, though, avoidance is always the best route.
[quote]OdysseusUnbound wrote:
It can go both ways, however. A good friend of mine WAS a provincial wrestling champ and also had a 3rd degree black belt (can’t remember which Martial Art), but he was the most laid back, easy going guy around. He wasn’t all that big, about 185lbs at 5’10".
The only time that I ever saw him get into a fight was when a big meathead started chirping him at a party; saying things like “that shit don’t work in the real world”, “I can bench over 300lbs, so fuck you”. Now my friend just stayed away from him and tried to ignore him most of the night (as did most, this asshole was way beyond obnoxious: he was showing everyone pictures of himself in “contest shape” as he was “bulking” at the time), but the big guy kept guy just kept seeking my friend out, talking shit etc.
After a few hours, my buddy and his twin sister decided to leave, and as they were walking out the door, Mr Meathead got in his face yet again, then made a pass at my buddy’s sister, and as they turned to walk away, the meathead grabbed her arm…Big mistake…My friend just went into attack mode, hit the guy three times before anyone knew what happened. Mr Meathead ended up with a fractured jaw, broken nose and some cracked ribs.
Strange thing is, my buddy was almost in tears afterwards. “I just wanted him to leave me the hell alone”.
Moral of the story: Assholes are everywhere and come in all shapes and sizes.[/quote]
I think this is a great example of how people should act. He wrestled and fought for fun…like everyone else did…he doesnt like to hurt people. He was harassed by a jack ass but ignored him until he escalated the situation into attack mode.I’m personally the same way…I hate the idea of hurting people…shrug it off until you know what going to happen…but 99% of the time they get bored and leave before that. If anyone touched my sister, id tap dance on their face.
Anwyays there’s a lot of factors, really I believe a smaller guy can beat a bigger guy if he is trained and the other is not. I also belive that a bigger guy trained can be beaten by the smaller guy who is trained depending on how hard the smaller guy hits. I’m talking a 220lber trained can fuck a bigger guy who is 265lbs trained with one hit the big guy can be out. If he hits first, SAME GOES THE OTHER WAY AROUND OBVIOSULY!! Same thing is pretty much with Mike Tyson at 215lbs he could KO guys bigger, heavier, etc etc. Of course not everoyne has Mike Tyson’s power…but guys who are natural born punchers who are 200+ will definately hit you first (they know they have the power) and you will be KO’ed despite height/weight advantage.
Not sure if you’ve guys heard of Thomas Hearns before, but he was a boxer back in the day who was considered one of the greatest KO artists. He was NOT a big man, weight ranged from 140’s-170’s, even up to 190 at one point. Tyson said himself Thomas Hearts could KO heavweights, just pure dynamite in his hands.
When you have natural punching power, all it takes is ONE hit to end the fight, and if they (natural born punchers) hit first, chances are that’s the end of it.
In general, I agree with everything you guys posted. I do still think that Krav Maga (the real stuff) is great for teaching H2H, because it teaches you what to do about multiple opponents, armed assailants, etc… and it also teaches you to act quickly and incapacitate as fast as possible.
Lots of greats points so far. To those saying that there’s some badass small guys and some bigger guys who are pussies, well of course, but size does have an impact. I’m glad to see many people understood my point though and are also pissed that smaller guys constantly have to try and bring bigger guys down to ‘‘prove’’ something.
[quote]Thy. wrote:
And you have the reverse complex then. You know you’re a pussy and it pisses you off that some small guy that doesn’t lift can be mentally tougher than you and hit you in the face and you know that you’ll quit. Check your complexes first.
Being big and/or lifting weights doesn’t make you tougher in any way. [/quote]
No I do not have that complex. I’ve actually practiced Judo for 8 years and Muay Thai for almost a year. When practicing those sports, no, size dosen’t matter because I would get my ass kicked by more experienced guys who were smaller.
However, in the REAL world, you don’t run into martial art experts everyday. A little annecdote here: It was 3 pm, I was still sleeping and 2 of my friends came over, woke me up and we started drinking, I was passed tipsy at like 4pm and those 2 friends are the PERFECT example of what this thread is about. One of them who’s 5’6 140lbs and ‘‘trains muay thai’’ decides to put me in a guilliotine choke to mess around and asks me to tap to ‘‘prove his alphanass’’. I’m drunk and having none of it, so I drive him into the ground, turn him around and choke him HARD, then let go. The other guy grabs my arm and I litterally ‘‘pec flyed’’ him into the ground with one arm, he was 5’9 150ish.
Later during the night, the 5’9 claims he’s a blackbelt in karate (yes, he actually said that) and that he kicked a 20 years old guys ass when he was 12. The other guy just start doing his ‘‘muay thai kicks’’ on me and I choked him, again.
Being big dosen’t mean you’ll come out victorious all the time, but it’s just one more tools for you.
My roommate at school just started doing jujitsu about 2 months ago and now never shuts up about how he could “tap” everyone. He is 6’3 170lbs by the way and has a worse body than Gumby but no matter who gets brought up he says he could tap them, especially when he is drunk. It is by far the most annoying thing ever. He also tries to critique my diet saying eating 2 chicken breasts in one sitting is “unhealthy” as he demolishes a whole box of Kraft Dinner while drinking a can of Coke.
[quote]JCholeras wrote:
My roommate at school just started doing jujitsu about 2 months ago and now never shuts up about how he could “tap” everyone. He is 6’3 170lbs by the way and has a worse body than Gumby but no matter who gets brought up he says he could tap them, especially when he is drunk. It is by far the most annoying thing ever. He also tries to critique my diet saying eating 2 chicken breasts in one sitting is “unhealthy” as he demolishes a whole box of Kraft Dinner while drinking a can of Coke.[/quote]
There’s a lot of awful people in this world, and your roommate sounds like one. I suggest you beat him in the night with a blackjack.
[quote]Therizza wrote:
As an aside, why does everyone seem to think that the only people capable of going batshit crazy to defend life and property are small guys?
Kelly McCann is a friend of my father. They went to OCS together. He is a real life Jack Bauer.
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This is exactly what I’m trying to say. I don’t deny that smaller guys can be fucking crazy too, but why is it that those smaller guys feel they are somehow superior to the bigger guys? If anything, a crazy huge guy is a lot more dangerous than a crazy small guy.
[quote]Therizza wrote:
As an aside, why does everyone seem to think that the only people capable of going batshit crazy to defend life and property are small guys?
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it’s not that. it’s just that small guys need to go out of their way to reaffirm that they too, can be rough and tough
[quote]Therizza wrote:
As an aside, why does everyone seem to think that the only people capable of going batshit crazy to defend life and property are small guys?
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it’s not that. it’s just that small guys need to go out of their way to reaffirm that they too, can be rough and tough[/quote]
Unfortunately, it makes them look quite the opposite. People who truly can handle themselves don’t need to constantly remind everyone. Also, the greatest weapon anyone has is the ability to dissuade someone from attacking in the first place or avoiding the situation altogether. Bigger guys have THAT advantage and I think it pisses little folk off…which again is funny.
I would much rather know I can at least hold my own and rarely have to actually show it than look like a mark my whole life and constantly have to prove myself.
I have a couple of friends that have been training MMA for a few years now. They take their training almost a seriously as I take my lifting. Long story short last time we decided to see if they could tap me out I took each of them out in about 30 seconds. I’m 6’3" 265lbs they are a staggering 5’8 & 5’10 165 & 175. I just grabbed them by the neck and squeezed as hard as I could for a quick end game. The one attempt to arm bar me was a joke, they just don’t have the strength to make my arm go where they would like. Keep in mind that we are not punching each other in the face. I do believe that anyone can be knocked out with the right punch, but as far as ground game goes if your not a Gracie it’s not a good idea to mess with someone that has 100lbs of muscle on you, but I do have some experience in wrestling and am capable of handling myself, not a fighter by any means… JMHO…
[quote]imhungry wrote:
ALL things being EQUAL, the bigger and stronger guy will win.
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I agree completely. It is amusing to see people try to justify that being small is an “advantage” when you bring this up in real life though.
Increased reach, strength and ability to take punishment is not something an intelligent fighter would smirk at.
A badass 200 pound guy is just as capable of beating up someone as a 150 pound badass. People just latch on to it when it is a little guy taking down a bigger guy.