[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Would you rather have blackbelt, or this?[/quote]
have fun concealing that one rambo.
people are hot heads, people are also retards, big and small. Know that you know your shit and dont act unless acted upon. Easy right?
The thing with small guys is… well as dr. X said: small man syndrome. The need to prove themselves.
A heavy guy or someone with real fighting experience will think twice before attacking another big guy. In a real street fight, chances are you will both get hurt.
One hit knock outs? Maybe on youtube, but the fights I’ve seen in real life were bloody and hard. Maybe some guy got more hits, but at the end they were both beaten.
I know my strenght, and I know it’ll hurt him. So I also know that he could hurt me.
Little dogs bark with attitude against larger dogs. Until the latter bites.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Goll mac Morna wrote:
So much of even violent male behavior is like the deer locking horns-- it’s posturing and there is very little intent to destroy. [/quote]
Exactly. Rory Miller calls this the “Monkey Dance.” It’s genetically put into us to establish dominance- talk shit, spread arms out to make self seem bigger/more intimidating, bump chests, wild right hand punch… shits like clockwork.
Unfortunately someone tried that with a good friend of mine who was in the Navy. The kid walked outside first, and as soon as he turned around my friend shattered a pint glass in his face.
Everytime that kid looks in the mirror, he’s reminded of that night. But that’s what happens when someone who wants to fight means someone who thinks its combat.[/quote]
Fascinating! I’ve put this Rory Miller book on my list. I’d be interested to see what else he has to say and how it rubs up against what I’ve observed.
I have a couple close friends who are now professional fighters. You’d never know it. They don’t look like much, but more importantly, they don’t talk about it! The ones out there talking shit are the ones that would get their ass kicked in any confrontation. Be afraid of the quiet guy.
I have another friend who is a national level bodybuilder. 5’7" 245 at 8% off season…basically he’s huge. My friends and I stopped going out because anytime we did someone would challenge him to a fight. People would walk up and say, “man you’re big but I bet I could take you.” Who cares!
If a guy is talking about how he’s a fighter and can whoop anyone, he can’t. He just has a tiny pecker.
If a guy is talking about how good a fighter his friend is, well maybe the friend is and maybe he’s not, but the guy talking has probably never done anything of mention…and he has a tiny pecker.
Don’t get roped into conversations with these guys because you can’t win, and most likely you’ll end up hitting him and getting arrested.
FightinIrish26 Wrote:
"It’s funny, Lawrence Kane has a story about something similar in the Little Black Book of Violence, where he says he got into a fight in college with a huge Samoan football player.
Needless to say, the guy is a trained martial artist and what not, but the Samoan dude was big enough that it equalled things out between the two of them.
So yes, 280 lb. football players are not people who I’d go around picking fights with, whether they know how to fight or not. You’d have to do some serious fucking damage to stop a guy that big."
Hahaha great story, reminds me of one time I was hanging out and one of the kids in our group was an average size, rather out of shape kid from Wisconsin who had taken a few karate classes in college. Now I brought up the point that the bigger, stronger guy usually wins in a fight and he became extremely agitated, asking:
“Shawn, do you think you can take me in a fight? I haven’t benched in a long time, last time i did i only did 120.”
I replied: “Probably yes, I could be wrong though.”
Then left it at that.
A little bit later, a Jean Claude Van Damme movie came on, and I made a casual comment as to whether someone like Van Damme could take a college football player of roughly Linebacker size.
The kid sneered and said: “I think I could take a college football player.”
At that point I had to hold back my laughter.
You guys are killing the 2 Affliction shirts I have. Great thread love a good logical debate.
[quote]Thy. wrote:
[quote]JZT wrote:
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I’ve seen plenty of pussy big guys and tough small guys. I live in a country where fighting is common. In my school 10-12 year olds fought like men. Knees to the face and everything. Kids hurt each other to the emergency room. I’ve seen skinny guys fight 2-3 older/bigger kids at once. A guy (kickboxer) fight 2 guys with a broken hand, using only his legs. Lots of stuff.
It all comes down to who is willing be the first to throw hands, do it fast and repeatedly. And with bare knuckles you don’t need to bench 400 pounds to hurt a man and reconsider fighting you. Ever got punched in the eye ? In the ex and post USSR countries, traditionally all the fathers taught their sons : if someone talks shit, just hit them in the eye. Good recommendation and well followed in those countries.
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You seem to say this like it’s a good thing.
Well i can relate to this post, when i was 170lbs i would feel small and always who cares if that guy weights 250lbs of muscle at least i can kick his ass on the mat.
And it was all insecurity because being small make you fear bigger persons, i mean it REALLY AFFECTED ME, i would enter a place and see any BIG GUY and i would get on defensive mode like holy shit what i’m gonna do if this guy decides to fight?
Thank god i gained weight and now i weight 220lbs and got friend with the 250lbs guy who is my training partner.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]JZT wrote:
What I’m ranting about is kids who never lifted / practiced sports in their lifes, but ‘‘started training MMA’’ OR ‘‘have been in street fights’’ and suddenly take your size for granted and think they can pretty much walk through anyone bigger because of their ‘‘background’’.
There are obviously a LOT of factors involved in street fights, but my point is that on a ‘‘fair’’ ground (not drunk vs gun for example), the bigger guy will nearly almost come out on top.
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Assumptions on either side are always something to stay away from…but I will say that it’s always funny when the type of guys you’re addressing seem to think that they are the only people that “train MMA,muay thai,etc.” Heaven forbid that there are “big” guys who actually train those things YET don’t go around bragging about it.
Size does matter in lots of instances…especially when the bigger,stronger guy is just as(or more) skilled as the smaller guy. Of course,that’s from more of an actual combat sports/competitive view. Streetfighting,etc IS a different story.[/quote]
Well said. A real fighter doesn’t underestimate their opponent until they have seen firsthand how they handle themselves in a fight…but there do seem to be a TON of little guys who somehow think every big guy they see is some weak simpleton who can’t even throw a punch at all.
Size and strength are both great advantages…which means the idiots walking around ASSUMING guys with arms as big as their legs are so easily all taken down by 150lbs coatracks deserve to have their heads driven in. Likewise, you can tell a lot about someone just by how they stand in a confrontation. I personally wouldn’t simply assume that some guy way skinnier than me is unable to defend themselves.
I also very rarely see this from big guys. This ALWAYS seems to come from little guys with “small man syndrome”.[/quote]
I’ve been competing in Kyokushin Karate for 12 years, and BJJ for 3 (blue belt). I compete at 150lbs. and I’m not a coatrack. I know you meant no offense, just throwin that out there.
Ahhh kyokushin… Now thats a badass art. brutal competitions
I’m a small guy (5’7, 165-170) who trains BJJ/Muay Thai. I never tell anyone that I do because it doesn’t matter to me. I don’t pick fights and wouldn’t especially with a guy significantly bigger. I don’t think lifters are big and dumb, usually quite the opposite. I enjoy the way I train and I still lift weights additionally. The only thing I can say is that I would have a chance defending my life based on the skills I have acquired. If there is a wasted guy telling you he takes martial arts you can almost be certain that even if he does, he doesn’t take them serious enough to matter!
I think in general it is better just to assume the other person(s) are better at fighting/killing than you and just avoid conflict. Even in situations where it looks clear who will win, you just never know. I read a news article a few years back where they were holding a guy in Italy after 3 guys armed with knives tried to rob him and two of his female friends while they were closing up their business. Unfortunately for the 3 punks, the guy was trained and disarmed one, killed 2 of them with their own knives, and the last guy ran away. You just don’t know what someone is capable of, and it’s probably just not worth finding out.
You guys are missing the point. It’s the person that has the “I am a Motherfucker” t-shit that always wins.
[quote]four60 wrote:
Great thread love a good logical debate.[/quote]
logical?
lol, the only thing i see this thread accomplishing is allowing every motherfucker who’s joined thsi site and can’t figure out how to get bigger and stronger rationalizing how they are so much tougher than bigger guys.
for the most part, the posts here are sad and pathetic IMO.
This post is why I hate the UFC craze! Little punk ass high schoolers go to their UFC classes and it makes them badass mofos. Even though they ae in the beginner class, and cant even do a decent shot, becuase they dont even have the balls to execute it.
I think MMA is a great sport and if I ever have the chance I’d love to give it a try. The only thing that would help me at all is a wrestling background.
Its the quiet ones we have to worry about.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
Great thread love a good logical debate.[/quote]
logical?
lol, the only thing i see this thread accomplishing is allowing every motherfucker who’s joined thsi site and can’t figure out how to get bigger and stronger rationalizing how they are so much tougher than bigger guys.
for the most part, the posts here are sad and pathetic IMO.[/quote]
My sarcasm just does not seem to be very good I see. No I read a couple of very good points. I tend to ignore anyone that does not at least listen to another point of view.
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
Great thread love a good logical debate.[/quote]
logical?
lol, the only thing i see this thread accomplishing is allowing every motherfucker who’s joined thsi site and can’t figure out how to get bigger and stronger rationalizing how they are so much tougher than bigger guys.
for the most part, the posts here are sad and pathetic IMO.[/quote]
I for one, feel that size is a HUGE factor. Other training partners at my level kick my ass based on their size. There is no justification here man. I’m small. I’m also 20lbs. heavier than a year ago and counting. I took 4 months off to get bigger, and it helped out tremendously. I would say in individuals with very little-to-no training, size IS the determining factor. However, I see 250lbs. individuals come into our school all the time and get WORKED by TRAINED smaller individuals. Not a justification for being small, which I wish not to be.
[quote]four60 wrote:
My sarcasm just does not seem to be very good I see. No I read a couple of very good points. I tend to ignore anyone that does not at least listen to another point of view.
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hahaha. my bad dude
[quote]HolyMacaroni wrote:
[quote]four60 wrote:
Great thread love a good logical debate.[/quote]
logical?
lol, the only thing i see this thread accomplishing is allowing every motherfucker who’s joined thsi site and can’t figure out how to get bigger and stronger rationalizing how they are so much tougher than bigger guys.
for the most part, the posts here are sad and pathetic IMO.[/quote]
I don’t really see a whole lot of that on this thread. Not sure what posts you’re reading?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
I don’t really see a whole lot of that on this thread. Not sure what posts you’re reading?[/quote]
i may be meshing this thread and the ‘tiny badasses’ thread in my head.
if so, my apologies.