'I don't Care How Big You Are, I Train UFC!'

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[quote]JZT wrote:

It’s almost an insecurity complex from smaller guys constantly trying to let you know ‘‘Hey, I train X martial art, no matter how big you get, I can always kick your ass.’’
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And you have the reverse complex then. You know you’re a pussy and it pisses you off that some small guy that doesn’t lift can be mentally tougher than you and hit you in the face and you know that you’ll quit. Check your complexes first.

Being big and/or lifting weights doesn’t make you tougher in any way.

I’ve seen plenty of pussy big guys and tough small guys. I live in a country where fighting is common. In my school 10-12 year olds fought like men. Knees to the face and everything. Kids hurt each other to the emergency room. I’ve seen skinny guys fight 2-3 older/bigger kids at once. A guy (kickboxer) fight 2 guys with a broken hand, using only his legs. Lots of stuff.

It all comes down to who is willing be the first to throw hands, do it fast and repeatedly. And with bare knuckles you don’t need to bench 400 pounds to hurt a man and reconsider fighting you. Ever got punched in the eye ? In the ex and post USSR countries, traditionally all the fathers taught their sons : if someone talks shit, just hit them in the eye. Good recommendation and well followed in those countries.

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You’ll never know though, I’ve seen smaller guys kick some serious big guy ass. Small guys usually have more experience throwing around than bigger guys and they’re usually 100x crazier as well. Any chance they can rip your heart out, they’ll go for it.

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FightinIrish is right on point. Brutality, innate or trained, is such a decisive factor it renders everything else much less important. In almost every actual “street” fight I’ve ever seen, a quick application of brutal violence was or could have been the decisive factor. So much of even violent male behavior is like the deer locking horns-- it’s posturing and there is very little intent to destroy. So many of the guys I’ve seen who “start” with somebody out in public, big or small, cause me to shake my head, because I can see right away how quickly they’d be overwhelmed.

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Probably the only benefit I have to not being very big is that the little crazy guy who has something to prove usually thinks I’m one of his brethren.

My wife laughs about it. Standard as hell that if we go somewhere, the nutcase of the room comes up to me like we are long lost friends and starts pointing out people who he can “beat the shit out of with no problem”. I just nod in agreement and laugh along a little bit. Once they have established themself as a force to be reconed with the night goes on as it should.

More often than not I can even leave the conversation with someone who will “have my back if an shit goes down”.
It’s kind of funny. There is like some sort of oddball psychopath communication pattern that I can cue in on and manipulate.

I’d suggest to anybody who cares that they find the little guy with a chip on his shoulder right off the bat. Start a conversation with him. Tell him vaguely that there are a few people who are known to be troublemakers. Don’t point them out though. He already knows who they are. Ensure him that you may need someone to “have your back in case shit goes down” with the implication that it is him who should.

That should effectively de-escalate most potential problems, cause the guy who is most likely to start some shit has a new job, being the one who keeps it from happening.

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I get what most of you guys are saying about size and fighting. But it also depends on how a person carries himself. He can be big and buff as hell with no cordination and will get his ass kicked. Or if he cant throw a punch with more force than my grandmother it doesn’t matter how big his arms are. A legit fighter is someone who has over years of training maximized there strength and force out put for fighting. Sure a football player who is 280 and built can punch hard, but get a 200 pound fighter/ boxer with a decent amount of training and experience and I bet he hits harder, faster and will kick the football players ass.

Just to note I’m not bashing on football guys. I was a football guy in highschool as well as a wrestler for 9 years and still am.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
More often than not I can even leave the conversation with someone who will “have my back if an shit goes down”.
It’s kind of funny. There is like some sort of oddball psychopath communication pattern that I can cue in on and manipulate.

I’d suggest to anybody who cares that they find the little guy with a chip on his shoulder right off the bat. Start a conversation with him. Tell him vaguely that there are a few people who are known to be troublemakers. Don’t point them out though. He already knows who they are. Ensure him that you may need someone to “have your back in case shit goes down” with the implication that it is him who should.

That should effectively de-escalate most potential problems, cause the guy who is most likely to start some shit has a new job, being the one who keeps it from happening.
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Haha thats clever. I believe the people who like to/are prone to fight can sniff eachother out pretty well. I have a friend who is one and he will very regularly find a guy willing to escalate just as much as he is, and engage him in some way to make it happen.

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[quote]stickel62 wrote:
I get what most of you guys are saying about size and fighting. But it also depends on how a person carries himself. He can be big and buff as hell with no cordination and will get his ass kicked. Or if he cant throw a punch with more force than my grandmother it doesn’t matter how big his arms are. A legit fighter is someone who has over years of training maximized there strength and force out put for fighting. Sure a football player who is 280 and built can punch hard, but get a 200 pound fighter/ boxer with a decent amount of training and experience and I bet he hits harder, faster and will kick the football players ass.

Just to note I’m not bashing on football guys. I was a football guy in highschool as well as a wrestler for 9 years and still am.[/quote]

This is fantasy.

I am guessing some of you just NEED to feel like everyone who is big can be beaten by someone smaller no matter what. So be it…but 280lbs football players are no pushovers and again, ASSUMING that some huge guy can’t hold his own could potentially be the last mistake some of you make.

Quit underestimating ANYONE and leave it at that.

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And again- size doesn’t matter. It’s the willingness to use an absolutely brutal level of violence, one that it’s not likely the other guy is going to match.

There are three guys I know who are the most dangerous people I’ve met so far. Two of them are under 5’4, the other is taller but skinny and has never worked out a day in his life.

What makes these guys dangerous is the fact that they have no qualms about immediately responding with a weapon, and very nearly deadly force, at a very small provocation. So, while you’re thinking “fair fight,” they’ve pulled out a knife and have it hidden behind their leg, or they’ve got a cue ball that they grabbed and are waiting to bash your fuckin face in. [/quote]

i know i inherited rage (so to speak) and it was of benefit whenever i was required to go into primate mode (in my youth, now never) so i understand what you mean. perhaps there are examples of the drunk college fight, but for the most part an adult who fights is willing to kill or do jail time for trying. this ain’t the playground and they don’t live a comfortable life with attempts at insight into issues or any of that normal life/mental health crap. you guys arguing about bigger vs smaller have to get your head out of common sense and sport.

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Would you rather have blackbelt, or this?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]stickel62 wrote:
I get what most of you guys are saying about size and fighting. But it also depends on how a person carries himself. He can be big and buff as hell with no cordination and will get his ass kicked. Or if he cant throw a punch with more force than my grandmother it doesn’t matter how big his arms are. A legit fighter is someone who has over years of training maximized there strength and force out put for fighting. Sure a football player who is 280 and built can punch hard, but get a 200 pound fighter/ boxer with a decent amount of training and experience and I bet he hits harder, faster and will kick the football players ass.

Just to note I’m not bashing on football guys. I was a football guy in highschool as well as a wrestler for 9 years and still am.[/quote]

This is fantasy.

I am guessing some of you just NEED to feel like everyone who is big can be beaten by someone smaller no matter what. So be it…but 280lbs football players are no pushovers and again, ASSUMING that some huge guy can’t hold his own could potentially be the last mistake some of you make.

I’m not saying that they are pushovers i’m just saying if you can’t handle your shit and someone else can you’ll get beat.

I’m no little guy either. I’m 230lbs at 5’11" with 9% body fat. I wrestled those 280lb guys I know dude.
Quit underestimating ANYONE and leave it at that.[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

This is fantasy.

I am guessing some of you just NEED to feel like everyone who is big can be beaten by someone smaller no matter what. So be it…but 280lbs football players are no pushovers and again, ASSUMING that some huge guy can’t hold his own could potentially be the last mistake some of you make.

Quit underestimating ANYONE and leave it at that.[/quote]

It’s funny, Lawrence Kane has a story about something similar in the Little Black Book of Violence, where he says he got into a fight in college with a huge Samoan football player.

Needless to say, the guy is a trained martial artist and what not, but the Samoan dude was big enough that it equalled things out between the two of them.

So yes, 280 lb. football players are not people who I’d go around picking fights with, whether they know how to fight or not. You’d have to do some serious fucking damage to stop a guy that big.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]JayPierce wrote:
I just nod and smile any time anyone talks about using mma in a street fight, anyway. Go ahead and try the ol’ ‘ground and pound’ while the other guy’s friend is kicking your face in. MMA is a retarded form of fighting anyway (flame away). It’s a SPORT for SHOW not a real martial art adapted for real-world hand-to-hand combat.

I really wish there was a dojo that teaches Krav Maga around where I live. THAT’S a real-world martial art.[/quote]

Just so you know- it seems to me that KM is getting to be the ultimate McDojo art. Places are opening up everywhere that teach super secret commando Krav, and I’m not sure about how well trained these guys are.

And honestly- alot of Krav taught around here is MMA with a Jewish star on the wall. Krav Maga is more, at its base, like WWII combatives- quick, brutal, and simple.

Fighting in MMA, having a base in KM, whatever- all prepares you for physical violence. it’s good to train these things. However, as I said before, there’s a lot more to learn if you’re going to really try to train self-defense, and most of it is stuff in your head.

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/Krav.html[/quote]

Great article, and a very good website I’ve been browsing for a while now. Their piece on the characteristics of an Alpha Male would be an eye opener to most guys here.

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My wife takes my kid to jiu-jitsu lessons and she told me she saw the Thai kick-boxing teacher on the ground with one of the jiu-jitsu guys. The kick-boxer is a bona-fide champ from Thailand, magazine covers, trophies, etc., but he tapped out in this particular play-match. The jiu-jitsu guy said that if they had been standing up the kick-boxer would have knocked him out in seconds.

If most “big” guys saw this Thai instructor, maybe 5’5, skinny arms, they’d think they could take him, but given the circumstances, this Thai dude could hit and round-house you 3 times before you started to swing. But when the “big” dude gets you on the ground, maybe a different story.

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[quote]Goll mac Morna wrote:
So much of even violent male behavior is like the deer locking horns-- it’s posturing and there is very little intent to destroy. [/quote]

Exactly. Rory Miller calls this the “Monkey Dance.” It’s genetically put into us to establish dominance- talk shit, spread arms out to make self seem bigger/more intimidating, bump chests, wild right hand punch… shits like clockwork.

Unfortunately someone tried that with a good friend of mine who was in the Navy. The kid walked outside first, and as soon as he turned around my friend shattered a pint glass in his face.

Everytime that kid looks in the mirror, he’s reminded of that night. But that’s what happens when someone who wants to fight means someone who thinks its combat.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

This is fantasy.

I am guessing some of you just NEED to feel like everyone who is big can be beaten by someone smaller no matter what. So be it…but 280lbs football players are no pushovers and again, ASSUMING that some huge guy can’t hold his own could potentially be the last mistake some of you make.

Quit underestimating ANYONE and leave it at that.[/quote]

It’s funny, Lawrence Kane has a story about something similar in the Little Black Book of Violence, where he says he got into a fight in college with a huge Samoan football player.

Needless to say, the guy is a trained martial artist and what not, but the Samoan dude was big enough that it equalled things out between the two of them.

So yes, 280 lb. football players are not people who I’d go around picking fights with, whether they know how to fight or not. You’d have to do some serious fucking damage to stop a guy that big.[/quote]

Ok I can see how size has it’s distinct advantages. Im not little either so I understand. But this isn’t a fundamental rule to live by because of real life occurances that contradict the he’s big and will kick your ass theory.

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ALL things being EQUAL, the bigger and stronger guy will win.

If the bigger guy connects with a shot to the face, ribs, whatever… shit will break.

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[quote]stickel62 wrote:

Ok I can see how size has it’s distinct advantages. Im not little either so I understand. But this isn’t a fundamental rule to live by because of real life occurances that contradict the he’s big and will kick your ass theory.[/quote]

Of course not. But what I’m saying is that if you have the pleasure of getting at some college football lineman or something, you’d better be ready to try to kill him, because the odds of you doing a lot of damage to him barehanded are low.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

This is fantasy.

I am guessing some of you just NEED to feel like everyone who is big can be beaten by someone smaller no matter what. So be it…but 280lbs football players are no pushovers and again, ASSUMING that some huge guy can’t hold his own could potentially be the last mistake some of you make.

Quit underestimating ANYONE and leave it at that.[/quote]

It’s funny, Lawrence Kane has a story about something similar in the Little Black Book of Violence, where he says he got into a fight in college with a huge Samoan football player.

Needless to say, the guy is a trained martial artist and what not, but the Samoan dude was big enough that it equalled things out between the two of them.

So yes, 280 lb. football players are not people who I’d go around picking fights with, whether they know how to fight or not. You’d have to do some serious fucking damage to stop a guy that big.[/quote]

I know a few big guys- 250-300 lbs. range, and when they get really pissed off they turn into freakin juggernauts.

A guy I used to work with is 6’4" and about 280 lbs. of mostly solid, manual labor working mass(has never lifted a weight). The one time he lost it on a guy was actually kind of funny. Guy is beeping his horn at us, flashing high beams and mother fucking us in traffic for no apparent reason. My bud gets out and confronts him. Average sized guy gets back in his car and keeps running his mouth. My bud palms his head like a volleyball and beats it off of the steering wheel like he’s hitting the horn with the guys face.Knocked the dude completely sensless. My bud is usually a very mellow, easy to get along with guy, but something touched a nerve that day.

Most times when he got pissed off he would just grab logs, usually a few hundred lbs. each, and throw them in the truck like they were sacks of feathers until he got tired.

I don’t doubt for a second that on a bad day, he could easily rag doll just about anybody less than 200lbs.

One thing that should also definitely be considered is drug use. If a person thinks a little guy all amped up on booze and coke is unmanageable, double his size, and what do you have?

I’ve known a couple near 300lb. guys who, when properly medicated (booze,coke and vicodin), and thoroughly enraged were just unstoppable. Numerous cops with nightsticks and mace couldn’t take one guy down. He just quit because he was tired.

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If your not willing to kill or be killed then it isn’t worth fighting at all.

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This thread reminds me of this classic Eddie Murphy joke: