'I don't Care How Big You Are, I Train UFC!'

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It can go both ways, however. A good friend of mine WAS a provincial wrestling champ and also had a 3rd degree black belt (can’t remember which Martial Art), but he was the most laid back, easy going guy around. He wasn’t all that big, about 185lbs at 5’10".

The only time that I ever saw him get into a fight was when a big meathead started chirping him at a party; saying things like “that shit don’t work in the real world”, “I can bench over 300lbs, so fuck you”. Now my friend just stayed away from him and tried to ignore him most of the night (as did most, this asshole was way beyond obnoxious: he was showing everyone pictures of himself in “contest shape” as he was “bulking” at the time), but the big guy kept guy just kept seeking my friend out, talking shit etc.

After a few hours, my buddy and his twin sister decided to leave, and as they were walking out the door, Mr Meathead got in his face yet again, then made a pass at my buddy’s sister, and as they turned to walk away, the meathead grabbed her arm…Big mistake…My friend just went into attack mode, hit the guy three times before anyone knew what happened. Mr Meathead ended up with a fractured jaw, broken nose and some cracked ribs.

Strange thing is, my buddy was almost in tears afterwards. “I just wanted him to leave me the hell alone”.

Moral of the story: Assholes are everywhere and come in all shapes and sizes.

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This is so timely. I just had this happen to me last week. I was on a business trip and having dinner at a restaurant with 4 or 5 guys. Anyways, the topic of lifting came up and they asked me why I lift, etc. The thing is I’m not big. I’m 6’2" and 220 lbs. But I’m much bigger than the guys I was having dinner with. They top out at about 160 lbs. They’re basically runners. Anyways, one of the guys says “Big doesn’t help you in a fight and weight lifting can only hurt you because you’re not flexible.” WTF? I just laughed which kind of pissed them all off. Whatever. For me, bottom line: All things being equal bigger and stronger will win. But I don’t really care anymore. I’m in my 50s. Now I’m just trying to look good for all those 50 year old hawties running around.

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I think whether it’s bodybuilding, MMA, or anything, people that get into it due to some insecurity issue will always feel the need to have other people acknowledge what they do. Years ago, I was taking an evening class at a local college. There was a teaching assistant who was pretty pudgy, and usually wore big sweaters. Anyway, it was very low key, and as it was spring time, I would usually show up in jean shorts and a t-shirt. One day about half way through the semester, he walks over to me and proffers a “ya workout?”. I say yes, politely as if maybe he’s going to ask me a question. “How big are yer arms?” I dunno, maybe 17" or so, I reply (I knew full well they were 18, but I usually try to play things down, most people couldn’t care less I’ve found). “Wanna see what an over 18” arm looks like?" as he starts rolling up his sweater sleeve to show me the palest, fattest arm I had seen in a long while -lol.

The point I guess, was that he didn’t LOOK like he trained, but somewhere deep down, he had the NEED for me to know and acknowledge the fact that he did, and most likely defined his self worth because of that fact.

S

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I think whether it’s bodybuilding, MMA, or anything, people that get into it due to some insecurity issue will always feel the need to have other people acknowledge what they do. Years ago, I was taking an evening class at a local college. There was a teaching assistant who was pretty pudgy, and usually wore big sweaters. Anyway, it was very low key, and as it was spring time, I would usually show up in jean shorts and a t-shirt. One day about half way through the semester, he walks over to me and proffers a “ya workout?”. I say yes, politely as if maybe he’s going to ask me a question. “How big are yer arms?” I dunno, maybe 17" or so, I reply (I knew full well they were 18, but I usually try to play things down, most people couldn’t care less I’ve found). “Wanna see what an over 18” arm looks like?" as he starts rolling up his sweater sleeve to show me the palest, fattest arm I had seen in a long while -lol.

The point I guess, was that he didn’t LOOK like he trained, but somewhere deep down, he had the NEED for me to know and acknowledge the fact that he did, and most likely defined his self worth because of that fact.

S[/quote]

AKA “Al Bundy syndrome”. This is the older, fatter cousin of “short man syndrome”.

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In the real world not sports the man that is most willing to ACT will have the advantage.

What I wonder is in the ring or mat, what give a fighter the greatest advantage, is it size, Skill(training) or the will to win.

As a fan of both Boxing & MMA we have all seen the luckypunch or the pro underestimate the new kid on the block.

But overall is it
SKILL
SIZE
WILL
that give a fighter The best advantage? I’m a powerlifter so my view is just that my view as a fan.

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[quote]Cheeky_Kea wrote:
The one guy I know who is a legitimate “badass” tries his absolute hardest not to get into fights in the first place, because he has trained over the years to esculate the whole thing to an extremely violent level in the blink of an eye and people get horribly fucked up. Once it starts he has a “no stop till complete anihilation of the opponent” mentality and no retreat.(He has studied baguazhang and xing yi quan for the last 25yrs)
The one proper street fight I saw him in (actually a bar brawl) was quite sickening and freaked me out for a little while.

The thing is that no matter how big or small you are it’s hard to continue a fight with your eyes poked in or some of your extremeties bent back the wrong way and no matter how many squats you do you still have very vunerable parts on your body and that someone who knows how to exploit them and is lightning fast wtih power and is willing to take it all the way is going to severely fuck you over.

Plus even with untrained people there is the wildcard of taking on what you thought was an easy beat who turns out to be a complete pyscho.[/quote]

I agree with this fully.

This is also one of the main reasons I really would rather play the pussy than get into a fight. I don’t know how to throw a punch with 800lbs of force behind it and knock someone out, or subdue them in some sort of ‘experienced’ manner. So if I was going to fight i’d do it as dirty, quickly and violently as possible then probably get sent to jail or get fined for GBH.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I think whether it’s bodybuilding, MMA, or anything, people that get into it due to some insecurity issue will always feel the need to have other people acknowledge what they do. Years ago, I was taking an evening class at a local college. There was a teaching assistant who was pretty pudgy, and usually wore big sweaters. Anyway, it was very low key, and as it was spring time, I would usually show up in jean shorts and a t-shirt. One day about half way through the semester, he walks over to me and proffers a “ya workout?”. I say yes, politely as if maybe he’s going to ask me a question. “How big are yer arms?” I dunno, maybe 17" or so, I reply (I knew full well they were 18, but I usually try to play things down, most people couldn’t care less I’ve found). “Wanna see what an over 18” arm looks like?" as he starts rolling up his sweater sleeve to show me the palest, fattest arm I had seen in a long while -lol.

The point I guess, was that he didn’t LOOK like he trained, but somewhere deep down, he had the NEED for me to know and acknowledge the fact that he did, and most likely defined his self worth because of that fact.

S[/quote]

AKA “Al Bundy syndrome”. This is the older, fatter cousin of “short man syndrome”.[/quote]

It all comes down to what we in Denmark (and Scandinavia) call “janteloven” (the law of Jante). Similar to something I once read in one of PX’s threads - someone wrote a damn good post in that thread regarding ‘mediocre’ people feeling the need to take something away from big guys, saying that they’re unintelligent.
They will feel better about pointing out something that the big guy CAN’T do or doesn’t have, be it the ability to win an MMA fight, not being flexible enough to do the split, name all the American presidents in order, or other stupid BS…

[quote]
The point I guess, was that he didn’t LOOK like he trained, but somewhere deep down, he had the NEED for me to know and acknowledge the fact that he did, and most likely defined his self worth because of that fact. [/quote]

It’s sad.

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Good thread. I prefer to play things down. And yes, majority of the time we get into fighting, bodybuilding etc. because we either wanna look good, kicked peoples ass, or be the biggest motherfucker in the room. My mentality is the latter, hence the bodybuilding. And i mean, who doesnt?

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What the Irish guy said about willingness to go to most extreme of violence first wins

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[quote]comus3 wrote:
What the Irish guy said about willingness to go to most extreme of violence first wins[/quote]

HEYYYY, I said that waaayyyyy back… hahahahah Its cool I still agree.

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[quote]JZT wrote:

Well, a smaller guy is a GUN is obviously gonna win the ‘‘fight’’. Also, I never claimed that I’d kick a pro-boxer’s ass because I’m bigger just so were clear.
[/quote]

But see, this is the problem- there’s nothing “obvious” about any of it. A small guy with a gun might not win- he might slip and hell, shoot himself in the process. Someone else might have a knife, or the gun might jam. Who knows.

To say that street violence is reliant on one factor alone- i.e. size, a weapon, whatever, means you’re overlooking a plethora of other things, none of which are less important than anything else.

I absolutely agree with you. They’re just cats who can talk a good game. But realize that there most definitely are people like that, although its very likely that as someone else said, they’re not going to talk about it.

These young kids are trying to make up for their insecurities or whatever. As I said before- don’t let it get under your skin.

But see, he’s where you’re still wrong.

First of all- there is no “fair ground.” As I said in the other thread, this isn’t junior high anymore. You’re not meeting a kid on teh field behind the school to rumble like we used to, with people watching and kind of setting ground rules.

If you’re getting into a barfight, the guy you’re fighting with is probably a pretty big asshole considering he’s over 21 and still getting into drunk fights. He means to hurt you, and he probably knows how. Nothing about this is going to be “fair” about it- he’ll use a weapon, or hit you with a beer bottle, and his friends are DEFINITELY going to jump in (All of the fights I’ve seen after I was about 14 have many people involved- it’s never one on one.)

And again- size doesn’t matter. It’s the willingness to use an absolutely brutal level of violence, one that it’s not likely the other guy is going to match.

There are three guys I know who are the most dangerous people I’ve met so far. Two of them are under 5’4, the other is taller but skinny and has never worked out a day in his life.

What makes these guys dangerous is the fact that they have no qualms about immediately responding with a weapon, and very nearly deadly force, at a very small provocation. So, while you’re thinking “fair fight,” they’ve pulled out a knife and have it hidden behind their leg, or they’ve got a cue ball that they grabbed and are waiting to bash your fuckin face in.

Size and strength absolutely help, but in no way do they guarantee victory, or even say that they’ll win “most” of the time. Fighting in bars, street violence, and violent crime is like playing fucking Russian Roulette all the time- no matter how good you think you are, it could all be over in a flash no matter what.

I advise you to read “Meditations on Violence” by Rory Miller, or read “The Little Black Book of Violence” by Lawrence Kane.

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I had a friend really into martial arts in high school. His father had a dojo or something, I dont know. I ascribed this “you must know the secret to kicking guys asses” to him even though he was relatively small.

He would always correct me that he obviously a) didnt want to fight anyone even though he knew i was just giving him a hard time b) he wouldnt want to fight anyone way stronger than himself or crazier, because if they connect just once and make it count or get a hold of you, its done.

Anyways, I always thought the ability to take a hit and keep going was the biggest benefit of training. I dont think anyone has laid a hand on me in years at this point, so Im sure im nowhere near as tough as jagermeister tells me i am anymore haha.

Not that Im a “tough guy” or ever was.

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If someone told me they “Trained the UFC”,I wouldn’t hesitate to call them out on it. Now if they told me they were a BJJ Practitioner or trained in Muay Thai,then that would be a cause for concern. Im not even buff or even fit compare to most everybody here but where I go to school,I have 3 or 4 guys thats always giving me dirty looks and hinting to me that they practive some kind of martial arts just to “keep me at bay”.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Size does matter in lots of instances…especially when the bigger,stronger guy is just as(or more) skilled as the smaller guy. Of course,that’s from more of an actual combat sports/competitive view. Streetfighting,etc IS a different story.[/quote]

Even in a real fight… a very large, well trained guy is an absolute fucking nightmare.

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[quote]JayPierce wrote:
I just nod and smile any time anyone talks about using mma in a street fight, anyway. Go ahead and try the ol’ ‘ground and pound’ while the other guy’s friend is kicking your face in. MMA is a retarded form of fighting anyway (flame away). It’s a SPORT for SHOW not a real martial art adapted for real-world hand-to-hand combat.

I really wish there was a dojo that teaches Krav Maga around where I live. THAT’S a real-world martial art.[/quote]

Just so you know- it seems to me that KM is getting to be the ultimate McDojo art. Places are opening up everywhere that teach super secret commando Krav, and I’m not sure about how well trained these guys are.

And honestly- alot of Krav taught around here is MMA with a Jewish star on the wall. Krav Maga is more, at its base, like WWII combatives- quick, brutal, and simple.

Fighting in MMA, having a base in KM, whatever- all prepares you for physical violence. it’s good to train these things. However, as I said before, there’s a lot more to learn if you’re going to really try to train self-defense, and most of it is stuff in your head.

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Bars in a college town make me love small man syndrome. I get into some of the most interesting conversations but there’s one thing I can always count on: small man syndrome.

I’m not anything approaching a big guy by T-Nation standards, still having some body fat to drop before anything else, but with a shirt on that part’s not readily apparent. Small if I end up talking to a guy under 5’6", it’s guaranteed that he’ll start talking about going to the gym or training some martial art. I usually just nod along unless the rare event of a genuinely interesting guy comes along. One time a guy maybe 5’5" and 150-ish flat out told me he’d lay me out in a fight because he’d done 3 years of jiu-jitsu.

I’ve never laughed harder in someone’s face in my life. Even completely disregarding a 60lb, 7" height, and maybe 4-5" per arm reach advantage, I calmly explained to him that as good as BJJ is in a fight, it doesn’t do shit when the other guy is entirely prepared to gouge an eye as soon as his face comes near my hand.

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[quote]JayPierce wrote:
I just nod and smile any time anyone talks about using mma in a street fight, anyway. Go ahead and try the ol’ ‘ground and pound’ while the other guy’s friend is kicking your face in. MMA is a retarded form of fighting anyway (flame away). It’s a SPORT for SHOW not a real martial art adapted for real-world hand-to-hand combat.

I really wish there was a dojo that teaches Krav Maga around where I live. THAT’S a real-world martial art.[/quote]

Depends on what aspect of MMA you are talking about. I notice people oddly seem to attribute “MMA” only to just ground-n-pound and grappling. But you are correct in saying that it is a sport for show…however,some individuals who train MMA are still the type who can adapt their training(or already established martial arts backgrounds) to real world. Whether it’s being smart enough to not get into altercations in first place…and/or have the ability to end a situation.

You have to look at the individual,not the fact you feel MMA is retarded. Just as the person who trains MMA can have their ass to them…so can the Krav Maga person.

MMA might be a silly sport,but it still has components from the basic forms of “real-world” H2H…and depending on the INDIVIDUAL,gives an aspect of mental/physical toughness that some people don’t have…which can be the biggest factor in real world combat.

I will say that people do tend to confuse a false sense of security with being mentally tough…AND I do see that a lot with some of the guys who come into our MMA school. Those type of guys get humbled IN and OUT of the gym…weak mental character.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]JayPierce wrote:
I just nod and smile any time anyone talks about using mma in a street fight, anyway. Go ahead and try the ol’ ‘ground and pound’ while the other guy’s friend is kicking your face in. MMA is a retarded form of fighting anyway (flame away). It’s a SPORT for SHOW not a real martial art adapted for real-world hand-to-hand combat.

I really wish there was a dojo that teaches Krav Maga around where I live. THAT’S a real-world martial art.[/quote]

Just so you know- it seems to me that KM is getting to be the ultimate McDojo art. Places are opening up everywhere that teach super secret commando Krav, and I’m not sure about how well trained these guys are.

And honestly- alot of Krav taught around here is MMA with a Jewish star on the wall. Krav Maga is more, at its base, like WWII combatives- quick, brutal, and simple.

Fighting in MMA, having a base in KM, whatever- all prepares you for physical violence. it’s good to train these things. However, as I said before, there’s a lot more to learn if you’re going to really try to train self-defense, and most of it is stuff in your head.

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/Krav.html[/quote]

Well said,man. I knew there was a reason I liked you…haha.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:

Well said,man. I knew there was a reason I liked you…haha. [/quote]

Haha thanks my man.

And on another note- I just read about this incident in a book yesterday, happened to find it online as well.

This was Tucker Carlson writing about driving through Iraq with Kelly Mccann (about 5’7") as his escort. Again- who’s ready and willing to commit violence?

  • Less than an hour into the drive, we got the first sign that someone was watching us. One of the CitroÃ?«ns in our convoy radioed to say that a pickup truck was coming up from behind extremely fast, even faster than we were going. Jack Altizer had already picked up transmissions on his surveillance gear indicating that two people nearby were communicating on walkie-talkies. It looked like the classic setup to a carjacking: spotter by the side of the road sees Westerners in a convoy; gunmen in a chase vehicle pull up alongside and force them off the road. Or just shoot them.

I was riding in one of the SUVs, a mud-splattered Nissan, in the backseat behind Kelly and Bill Frost, another former marine. Kelly and I were talking about the approaching pickup when suddenly it appeared right next to us.

There were three young Arab men inside. They were inches away from our driver’s-side window, maintaining our speed and giving us hard looks. Kelly’s voice never changed its tone. He raised his MP5 off his lap, extended it across Bill’s chest, and pointed the muzzle at the men in the pickup. They hit the brakes hard, disappearing into our rearview mirror. Bill never took his eyes off the road. Kelly kept up the conversation as though nothing had happened.

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Two things. First off, if you don’t walk around assured that you can kick nearly every other guys ass you look at, I’d question your T levels, and you obviously wouldn’t be an Alpha Male.

I’m not a big guy, I’m a tad shy of 6’ and only 180 lbs on a good day. I’m not strong either, just hit a pr for squat at 365 lbs, but you’d better believe I don’t give a shit about the size or experience of a guy if he’s fucking with me.

That being said, your friends sound like mine, only they say the exact opposite.