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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Aragorn wrote:
tommytoughnuts wrote:
flyingXknee wrote:
i dont see how anyone believes anyone is naturally putting on 26lbs of muscle in 6 weeks
i know i have never seen close to that by anyone in my years of lifting
i dont expect Biotest to not try to hype up their supps as they would be doing a disservice to them selves since every company makes ridiculous claims
i do await the hordes of logs and before and after photos once I, BODYBUILDER is released
so i can see what people are really getting for results

Between my junior and senior year of high school I put on 60 lbs (probably 40-50 if which was muscle) without gaining any height. I was completely clean, I only lifted weights, played frisbee, went to football practice, and cleaned out the fridge every couple of days. I most certainly believe people can do it.

Thank you God! Someone who gets it.

I have no doubt that most people cannot do it. But, if you combine expert knowledge, past competitive strength sports history, conditioning, and nutrition with a perfect supplement regimen, I really don’t see it as impossible. Its not going to be par for the course, and I never, EVER suggested or will suggest it is. But is it possible? I think so.

You have to admit though, that is a huge fucking difference compared to an advanced bodybuilder. I gained a ton of muscle every year in high school by probably doing only 50% of what I do now, sorry but I don’t think that is a valid comparison.[/quote]

Totally agree. I am simply suggesting that it is physically possible with natural testosterone levels that someone out there can do it. CT did it, I have no reason to doubt him about being natural, he is a stand-up person in all my experience. Fuck, Levrone did it. Was he natural this time around? Dunno. Don’t particularly care. But either way it works against the argument posed in this thread.

In marketing you always take the best case studies for your ad copy anyway :). They didn’t advertise 27 lbs in 6 weeks for everyone who tries the regimen. They said CT did it (ok fine, 27 lbs of bodyweight, 23 of them being muscle, and 4 being glycogen, whatever, you know what I meant).

They also did advertise 10 lbs in 2 weeks for MAG-10…and a good number of people here, along with number that I knew personally IRL, saw exactly those kinds of gains. Yes, I know MAG-10 is worlds apart from what they are advertising now. I know it! Just sayin’, sometimes the ad copy pans out. Sometimes not.

I don’t know how much this will work. I expect it was overhyped, but I also expect it will work really well for the people who know what they are doing with it. The ParagonA thread in Thibaudeau’s forum is an example… 15% increase in the bench in 4 weeks. The same people who fail at everything will cry foul and those who get it done will likely see some real help from it…that probably is not as big as 25 lbs of muscle in 6-8 weeks.

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[quote]hexx wrote:

Because apparently Jacked Diesel only admires physiques with syringes hanging out of their asses. [/quote]

Don’t worry dude, no one will EVER accuse you of AAS use…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness

Here’s one at only 22 years of age. [/quote]

He has a great physique and is obviously going to be gifted if he pursues a BB career. I will take your word that he is natural because you presented him in a conversation regarding naturals. Having said that, when is he going to get lean so we can test the numbers? I skimmed the thread but did you or he post his stats? I would love for him to beat the numbers. If he does and submits them to Casey then I will come back here and admit he is an outlier. By then everyone will know his name because he would be King of the Hill in Natural BB shows. A sincere good luck to him.

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[quote]hexx wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Jacked Diesel wrote:
I would like to start off by saying that I do not understand why anyone in their right mind would listen to this man for any advice, whether it be nutrition or weightlifting. Simply by looking at his physique, I am confused how he is even allowed to train professional athletes (regardless of them being no-names).

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I’m not picking sides, but I thought you were being sarcastic. It’s not the best picture, but what’s wrong with his physique there? I mean really.

Because apparently Jacked Diesel only admires physiques with syringes hanging out of their asses. [/quote]

Actually, I am a powerlifter and dont care much about bodybuilding physiques

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[quote]kribrg wrote:
Jacked Diesel wrote:
I would like to start off by saying that I do not understand why anyone in their right mind would listen to this man for any advice, whether it be nutrition or weightlifting. Simply by looking at his physique, I am confused how he is even allowed to train professional athletes (regardless of them being no-names).

This is the silliest argument I have ever seen. So only Ronnie Coleman can give advice? Because he is not a lean 250lbs he doesn’t know anything about nutrition? Give me a break!

OR we can play by your rules and let’s put his pic next to Bill’s and we can take advice from the biggest one. Fair?[/quote]

Bill is an educated chemist that actually helps make supplements, Alan thinks that chocolate milk is the end all of post workout nutrition, no wonder the NBA athletes he trained are garbage.

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[quote]John Blackthorne wrote:
Jacked Diesel wrote:
I would like to start off by saying that I do not understand why anyone in their right mind would listen to this man for any advice, whether it be nutrition or weightlifting. Simply by looking at his physique, I am confused how he is even allowed to train professional athletes (regardless of them being no-names).

Yeah, no-names like the Los Angeles Lakers of the National Basketball Association. I don’t think anyone has ever heard of Pete Sampras before either.[/quote]

haha, so what, Adam Morrison is an LA Laker, WTF does he do beside defy all hygenic logic?

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
hexx wrote:

Because apparently Jacked Diesel only admires physiques with syringes hanging out of their asses.

Don’t worry dude, no one will EVER accuse you of AAS use…[/quote]

Because you’ve seen me in real life, right? When you type this shit out, do you do it with your head deeply entrenched in your asshole?

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Is his physique the reason or any reason to doubt Aragon’s worth when it comes to nutrition? Certainly not.

No, it is because he asserts that a product which has 50 g of added sugar’s worth of HFCS per quart of milk – this being on top of milk’s already considerable but in itself reasonable natural sugar content – is ideal post-workout nutrition; because it not only was his recommended choice as the sole post-training nutrition source for a 12 year old having just gone many hours without food and the last couple of hours working hard; and because he has apparently gone quite bonkers over this being rejected as wrong, that this individual’s judgment in nutrition is appropriately and deeply to be questioned.

Myself, soon as the thread was gone, that was it. On to other things. Him, apparently it lives on in his mind forever and he is determined for the world to know how right he supposedly was on this, how HFCS-sweetened chocolate milk really is superior to all.

As for you, you present yourself here as a loser, contributing NOTHING but noise and sucking-up to someone who presented a truly foolish argument. Who the fuck cares about HFCS-sweetened chocolate milk as a sole postworkout nutrition source. Only you Aragon-bots. Goodbye.

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[quote]kribrg wrote:
Professor X wrote:Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness

Here’s one at only 22 years of age.

He has a great physique and is obviously going to be gifted if he pursues a BB career. I will take your word that he is natural because you presented him in a conversation regarding naturals. Having said that, when is he going to get lean so we can test the numbers? I skimmed the thread but did you or he post his stats? I would love for him to beat the numbers. If he does and submits them to Casey then I will come back here and admit he is an outlier. By then everyone will know his name because he would be King of the Hill in Natural BB shows. A sincere good luck to him.

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The kid claims he doesn’t control his diet. I’d like to see what he looks like once he starts to pay more attention to what he’s eating. I just hope that he has the mental toughness to break through those last few plateaus so he can get stupid lean.

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[quote]kribrg wrote:
Professor X wrote:Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness

Here’s one at only 22 years of age.

He has a great physique and is obviously going to be gifted if he pursues a BB career. I will take your word that he is natural because you presented him in a conversation regarding naturals. Having said that, when is he going to get lean so we can test the numbers? I skimmed the thread but did you or he post his stats? I would love for him to beat the numbers. If he does and submits them to Casey then I will come back here and admit he is an outlier. By then everyone will know his name because he would be King of the Hill in Natural BB shows. A sincere good luck to him.

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we’re not calling that lean ?

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[quote]kribrg wrote:
Professor X wrote:Forums - T Nation - The World's Trusted Community for Elite Fitness

Here’s one at only 22 years of age.

He has a great physique and is obviously going to be gifted if he pursues a BB career. I will take your word that he is natural because you presented him in a conversation regarding naturals. Having said that, when is he going to get lean so we can test the numbers? I skimmed the thread but did you or he post his stats? I would love for him to beat the numbers. If he does and submits them to Casey then I will come back here and admit he is an outlier. By then everyone will know his name because he would be King of the Hill in Natural BB shows. A sincere good luck to him.

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Uhm, why do you think any of us give a shit about what Casey Butt thinks? I couldn’t possibly care less whether YOU personally believe I or anyone else has passed those limits. I just find it funny that guys like you exist.

Your own mentality will be your biggest obstacle…and it’s like you don’t even know it.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
No, it is because he asserts that adding about 50 g of sugar’s worth of HFCS per quart of milk yields superior post-workout nutrition, and because it is not only his recommended choice as the sole post-training nutrition source for a 12 year old that has just gone hours without food and has spent a couple of hours working hard (which was the exact thing being discussed), and because he has gone completely insane over this being rejected as wrong, that this individual’s judgment in nutrition is appropriately and deeply to be questioned.

You are a loser, contributing NOTHING but noise here. Goodbye.[/quote]

I would love to see you debate Mr. Aragon in person. Do you think you’re up for the challenge?

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[quote]hexx wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
hexx wrote:

Because apparently Jacked Diesel only admires physiques with syringes hanging out of their asses.

Don’t worry dude, no one will EVER accuse you of AAS use…

Because you’ve seen me in real life, right? When you type this shit out, do you do it with your head deeply entrenched in your asshole? [/quote]

Don’t worry dude, no one is actually thinking you take AAS, or even lift weights for that matter…

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[quote]Jacked Diesel wrote:
hexx wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
hexx wrote:

Because apparently Jacked Diesel only admires physiques with syringes hanging out of their asses.

Don’t worry dude, no one will EVER accuse you of AAS use…

Because you’ve seen me in real life, right? When you type this shit out, do you do it with your head deeply entrenched in your asshole?

Don’t worry dude, no one is actually thinking you take AAS, or even lift weights for that matter…[/quote]

OWNED!

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[quote]we’re not calling that lean ?[/quote] Not contest lean.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Uhm, why do you think any of us give a shit about what Casey Butt thinks? I couldn’t possibly care less whether YOU personally believe I or anyone else has passed those limits. I just find it funny that guys like you exist.

Your own mentality will be your biggest obstacle…and it’s like you don’t even know it.[/quote]

I don’t think you do give a shit. But he has probably done more research and looked at more data points than most on the subject…or do you just want me to take your word for it? And I am sure you have passed those limits too…but you aren’t lean. Most sumo wrestlers have also but they aren’t lean either.

I wish the numbers were wrong too. But to this point they have proven formidable.

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[quote]kribrg wrote:
we’re not calling that lean ? Not contest lean.

Professor X wrote:
Uhm, why do you think any of us give a shit about what Casey Butt thinks? I couldn’t possibly care less whether YOU personally believe I or anyone else has passed those limits. I just find it funny that guys like you exist.

Your own mentality will be your biggest obstacle…and it’s like you don’t even know it.

I don’t think you do give a shit. But he has probably done more research and looked at more data points than most on the subject…or do you just want me to take your word for it? And I am sure you have passed those limits too…but you aren’t lean. Most sumo wrestlers have also but they aren’t lean either.

I wish the numbers were wrong too. But to this point they have proven formidable.[/quote]

I find it funny that you have been a member for over two years, and THIS is the subject you have made all 8 of your posts on.

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[quote]John Blackthorne wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
No, it is because he asserts that adding about 50 g of sugar’s worth of HFCS per quart of milk yields superior post-workout nutrition, and because it is not only his recommended choice as the sole post-training nutrition source for a 12 year old that has just gone hours without food and has spent a couple of hours working hard (which was the exact thing being discussed), and because he has gone completely insane over this being rejected as wrong, that this individual’s judgment in nutrition is appropriately and deeply to be questioned.

You are a loser, contributing NOTHING but noise here. Goodbye.

I would love to see you debate Mr. Aragon in person. Do you think you’re up for the challenge?[/quote]

He already had every opportunity to say what he had to say. If he is telling you now that his posts weren’t appearing, he is a liar.

If you think I am going to waste my time arranging to meet anyone over something so ignorant as his claims regarding HFCS-sweetened chocolate milk, you are in error.

Anyone who thinks that the best thing to give a kid in that situation, as the only food or supplement provided, is sweetened chocolate milk is in error. That much lactose + HFCS is not appropriate, let alone for someone around 100 lb as was the case here. There is no science to show that it is. Aragon provided none in the discussion with me. The only thing he did was regurgitate studies on glycogen replenishment rates with entirely different amounts of sugars, and to backpedal by saying that he never meant a quart at time, while never answering what sort of amount he did mean.

What, the only food or supplement you should give a kid in that situation is one glass of chocolate milk or some other smaller amount? That would be stupid as well. He’s a growing kid. You’re going to restrict his intake like that in this situation? This particular kid was hungry enough post-training, I later learned, to eat about 7 slices of pizza immediately afterwards. But he should be given chocolate milk as the sole nutrition source? Stupid. Just incredibly stupid.

His argument was indefensible and not worth wasting any time on. Neither are you. I regret returning to the subject again: the only reason I did was that it was indeed false that Aragon’s physique is reason to doubt him. The reason to doubt him is the foolishness of what he argued.

Go drink a quart of chocolate milk and enjoy the sugar rush. That’s my recommendation for you.

Wouldn’t want to miss out on the 50 g of added HFCS by drinking regular milk now. Nope, sweetened chocolate is the way to go, for an Aragon-bot. People like you, it’s impossible to have productive discussion with. Therefore, goodbye.

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[quote]hexx wrote:

Because you’ve seen me in real life, right? When you type this shit out, do you do it with your head deeply entrenched in your asshole? [/quote]

Yes in fact it was… I was trying to see the world like you do.

You have a picture posted in your profile, and on the “other” site dumbass…

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[quote]Jacked Diesel wrote:
I would like to start off by saying that I do not understand why anyone in their right mind would listen to this man for any advice, whether it be nutrition or weightlifting. Simply by looking at his physique, I am confused how he is even allowed to train professional athletes (regardless of them being no-names).
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Is that you in the pic in the thread linked below???

If so, you know what they say about people who live in glass houses.

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[quote]Jacked Diesel wrote:
hexx wrote:

Don’t worry dude, no one is actually thinking you take AAS, or even lift weights for that matter…[/quote]

Cool, you found a highschool wrestling pic in my profile. I’m a senior in college at this point. I ASSume you can do the math.