Quick question:
Would speed days help with only form or do they increase fibers being recruited and increase hypertrophy as well?
[quote]D Public wrote:
i think that answers your question on bar path[/quote]
Great vid. Had some great pointers.
[quote]ridethecliche wrote:
Quick question:
Would speed days help with only form or do they increase fibers being recruited and increase hypertrophy as well?
[quote]D Public wrote:
i think that answers your question on bar path[/quote]
Great vid. Had some great pointers.
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They do little for form and hypertrophy.
Keeping proper form with 60% of the max is a joke, and you might need different form to slam it up for speed work as opposed to grinding out a 1 to 5 rep max.
Most powerlifters bench with the style shown by Jim Wendler and espoused by the Metal Militia crew - starting low on the sternum, pressing in an arch, and flaring elbows out at the top. That would be very awkward and unnecessary for speed work, in which you can just jam it up in a straight line.
[quote]ridethecliche wrote:
Quick question:
Would speed days help with only form or do they increase fibers being recruited and increase hypertrophy as well?
[quote]D Public wrote:
i think that answers your question on bar path[/quote]
Great vid. Had some great pointers.
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Dude, why are you so interested in form when you just want to get jacked?
I can’t help but wonder if it really needs to be this complicated.
Are people really agonizing so much about technique that they never get anything done?
I consider myself someone who is very knowledgeable about the form and mechanics of the squat, but in the end the way I end up squatting in the gym every week still comes down to what FEELS right for me. The same is true for all the exercises I do.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]babaganoosh wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
2)Do it less often, using other exercises to hit chest and tris. After 2-3 months of this, try regular bench again as a gauge of strength, not an actual “working” exercise. If your bench goes up, then retest again a month or two later to make sure you keep making progress without actually doing flat bench. [/quote]
Yeah i’m doing those. As for your last suggestions, thanks. I’m currently trying #1, simply because I have little choice. #2 is how I’d like to do it, and how I progress best. [/quote]
Why do you have little choice?
What do you have for equipment?[/quote]
4-40kg dumbells in 2kg increments. There are a couple of machines, one is a regular chest press type thing where you are sitting upright, another is an incline chest press thing (the angles are ridiculous though), but this tends to strain my shoulders and I don’t really feel it at all in my chest, so I stopped doing that on the 2nd week I went to this gym. There’s a smith machine, but I’m not a fan of smith machines (for anything but shoulders). Just doesn’t feel “right” and can also put strain on my shoulders when doing flat/incline work (it isn’t too bad with decline MOST of the time).
Any other options for gyms?
And remember to do incline BB and DB bench, closegrip flat and decline bench, chest flies with DBs, pullovers, all that good stuff.
Forget about lat activation and do DB press deadstops.
Oh and hey watch some funny music videos while your at it.
But, seriously: If your this worried about form, I HIGHLY reccomend doing DB press even if it means doing lighter dumbbells under 100 pounds
[quote]D Public wrote:
Stop reading the internet…go look up what the strongest guys in the world do…See what the guy with the 600lb bench is doing…Pay attention to his form and when he stops his set…[/quote]
No no no… The great messiah dankid has told us time and time again, that the people that have accomplished great things are the last person you should ask for advice…
Instead we should look to the meek and unaccomplished, yet well read, in order to achieve what we want. So if you want a big bench, ask him who has struggled to put up 225 after a decade, for he knows the way.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]D Public wrote:
Stop reading the internet…go look up what the strongest guys in the world do…See what the guy with the 600lb bench is doing…Pay attention to his form and when he stops his set…[/quote]
No no no… The great messiah dankid has told us time and time again, that the people that have accomplished great things are the last person you should ask for advice…
Instead we should look to the meek and unaccomplished, yet well read, in order to achieve what we want. So if you want a big bench, ask him who has struggled to put up 225 after a decade, for he knows the way.
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I crack up every time I read that name. Can’t beat him for entertainment value. lol
[quote]Mr.Purple wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]D Public wrote:
Stop reading the internet…go look up what the strongest guys in the world do…See what the guy with the 600lb bench is doing…Pay attention to his form and when he stops his set…[/quote]
No no no… The great messiah dankid has told us time and time again, that the people that have accomplished great things are the last person you should ask for advice…
Instead we should look to the meek and unaccomplished, yet well read, in order to achieve what we want. So if you want a big bench, ask him who has struggled to put up 225 after a decade, for he knows the way.
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I crack up every time I read that name. Can’t beat him for entertainment value. lol
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I wonder if he himself recognizes this, though, because he keeps trying and trying (and failing and failing) to the point where I think that ‘Man, this guy can’t be for real.’
I really think someone needs to start a “Dankid, how do you train” thread.
BEANS, come on be a sport and do the job, and I will support the thread with witty interjections, funny/disturbing videos and irrelevant anecdotes to distract the viewers.
We can also get it stickied with enough votes.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Dude, why are you so interested in form when you just want to get jacked? [/quote]
Because I started benching in a smith and almost dropped the bar on myself when I tried warming up with a regular bar…
I’m stopping the smith for it now. Form is also important to avoid injury.
And partially because of this quote by you:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Engaging the lats isn’t just a matter of trying to pull the bar apart. You have to flex your lats “downward” (I don’t even think this makes sense in print) and retract your upper back muscles, and press your head into the bench.
If you don’t feel bench presses in your chest, don’t do them for pec development.
Are you interested in bodybuilding or powerlifting? If you’re gunning for a big bench for the sake of a big bench press, then “feeling” it in your chest has nothing to do with the matter; only what you put up matters.
If you’re concerned about bodybuilding, then obviously the bench press isn’t a good pec builder for you if you can’t feel it.
Pre-exhaust worked wonders for me in bringing up my pecs. I’m triceps-dominant, so I used pre-exhaust with flyes (cable, pec-deck, or dumbbell). I used Hammer Strength machines and dumbbells for presses. [/quote]
I don’t feel them all that much in my pecs, but i think that’s because I have bad form. I wasn’t pressing my back into the bench and rolling back my shoulders enough. I felt the pecs when doing cable flyes, so I’m going to do more of those.
When I was moving the bar around when on the bench (as tate showed on the video) i realized that I had the bar more towards my feet than the ‘neutral’ position that tate was showing. I also point my elbows at around 10 and 2 if 12 is my feet instead of at 9 and 3. I thought this was the reason I wasn’t getting the full pec activation. I might keep doing that since it’s a little more comfortable for me, so I’m going to experiment with the bar placement and the elbows till I can feel it more in my pecs.
I naturally did it like he did in the video, but that wasn’t the ‘neutral’ position for me. I’m going to stick with it and try your pointers more to ‘feel it’.