I, Bodybuilder

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]John S. wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:

the whole supplement protocal is going to cost a hell of a lot more then 80 bucks i beleive the supps needed are as follows:

Alpha-GPC
Anaconda
Surge Workout Fuel
FINiBARs (lots of em)
Surge Recovery
Grow! Whey(could probably use whatever protien you have as long as is similar to Grow! Whey)

15 weeks worth of all that is quite a price, however those who wants gains like the ones they decribed in the thread will buy it, if im not too much of a beginner to utilizate the program im going to do the best i can to somehow afford all this.

Well I was going to get into this I, BODYBUILDER but all that would cost way to much in the chance that it didn’t work.
[/quote]

No one should ever assume that a training program can’t be done if what is considered the ideal supplementation for it cannot be afforded.

CT himself has written on this very question,

"Yes we will recommend a supplements program… it’s not a big secret either; it’s the para-workout protocol I’ve been explaining for the past month.

Is it a must? No… no supplements ever are. However having tried the program with and without the protocol I can honestly say that there is a significant different in progress."

So no, it is not being said that the program isn’t worth doing without the full protocol.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
John S. wrote:
GrindOverMatter wrote:

the whole supplement protocal is going to cost a hell of a lot more then 80 bucks i beleive the supps needed are as follows:

Alpha-GPC
Anaconda
Surge Workout Fuel
FINiBARs (lots of em)
Surge Recovery
Grow! Whey(could probably use whatever protien you have as long as is similar to Grow! Whey)

15 weeks worth of all that is quite a price, however those who wants gains like the ones they decribed in the thread will buy it, if im not too much of a beginner to utilizate the program im going to do the best i can to somehow afford all this.

Well I was going to get into this I, BODYBUILDER but all that would cost way to much in the chance that it didn’t work.

No one should ever assume that a training program can’t be done if what is considered the ideal supplementation for it cannot be afforded.

CT himself has written on this very question,

"Yes we will recommend a supplements program… it’s not a big secret either; it’s the para-workout protocol I’ve been explaining for the past month.

Is it a must? No… no supplements ever are. However having tried the program with and without the protocol I can honestly say that there is a significant different in progress."

So no, it is not being said that the program isn’t worth doing without the full protocol.[/quote]

So if I am reading the article right, Anaconda is the only thing that is required for this program? If that’s the case then they can count me in.

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No, CT is saying that not even Anaconda is required.

The full protocol involves the other supplements mentioned in the quote. Or at least I assume it involves the Alpha-GPC.

If wanting to economize the FINiBARs can be omitted, as personal opinion, as a first step. It can also be done without Anaconda, to save money or because someone doesn’t have it yet. CT has discussed alternate methods in his forum.

Your question on Anaconda potentially being the only thing is an interesting one, as everyone’s (seemingly, to me anyway) has been the other way around, of how to do it without Anaconda.

If using only the Anaconda: Yes I do believe that would be very doable, relying only on Anaconda and upon, if need be, supermarket carb sources or the really cheap method of buying dextrose (glucose). It would be desirable to have whey protein too but not absolutely necessary so long as you have adequate protein sources.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
No, CT is saying that not even Anaconda is required.

The full protocol involves the other supplements mentioned in the quote. Or at least I assume it involves the Alpha-GPC.

If wanting to economize the FINiBARs can be omitted, as personal opinion, as a first step. It can also be done without Anaconda, to save money or because someone doesn’t have it yet. CT has discussed alternate methods in his forum.

Your question on Anaconda potentially being the only thing is an interesting one, as everyone’s (seemingly, to me anyway) has been the other way around, of how to do it without Anaconda.

If using only the Anaconda: Yes I do believe that would be very doable, relying only on Anaconda and upon, if need be, supermarket carb sources or the really cheap method of buying dextrose (glucose). It would be desirable to have whey protein too but not absolutely necessary so long as you have adequate protein sources.[/quote]

I am not above buying a wal-mart protein powder to add to my diet, getting some glucose and then just buying Anaconda. I am going to try this program with these modifications, Can’t wait for this program to be posted.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
No, CT is saying that not even Anaconda is required.

The full protocol involves the other supplements mentioned in the quote. Or at least I assume it involves the Alpha-GPC.

If wanting to economize the FINiBARs can be omitted, as personal opinion, as a first step. It can also be done without Anaconda, to save money or because someone doesn’t have it yet. CT has discussed alternate methods in his forum.

Your question on Anaconda potentially being the only thing is an interesting one, as everyone’s (seemingly, to me anyway) has been the other way around, of how to do it without Anaconda.

If using only the Anaconda: Yes I do believe that would be very doable, relying only on Anaconda and upon, if need be, supermarket carb sources or the really cheap method of buying dextrose (glucose). It would be desirable to have whey protein too but not absolutely necessary so long as you have adequate protein sources.[/quote]

Thanks for the advice.

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[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
No, CT is saying that not even Anaconda is required.

The full protocol involves the other supplements mentioned in the quote. Or at least I assume it involves the Alpha-GPC.

If wanting to economize the FINiBARs can be omitted, as personal opinion, as a first step. It can also be done without Anaconda, to save money or because someone doesn’t have it yet. CT has discussed alternate methods in his forum.

Your question on Anaconda potentially being the only thing is an interesting one, as everyone’s (seemingly, to me anyway) has been the other way around, of how to do it without Anaconda.

If using only the Anaconda: Yes I do believe that would be very doable, relying only on Anaconda and upon, if need be, supermarket carb sources or the really cheap method of buying dextrose (glucose). It would be desirable to have whey protein too but not absolutely necessary so long as you have adequate protein sources.[/quote]

So will the actual regime be open to the public or will we have to buy both the supplements (if one chooses) and the training part of the program?

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It has been stated that the training program, as usual with articles on the site, will be posted for free.

It may be more than an article (and set of videos) for all that I know. But it has been stated that it will be free.

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I’m not Biotest but I would say with fair certainty that the program will be 100% free…but like the V-Diet it “won’t work” unless you use all of the required Biotest supplements.

So depending on how you choose to take that its either free or really expensive.

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[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
I just hope that the beginner’s/noobs that follow this (EVEN THOUGH IT WONT BE DESIGNED FOR THEM), still grasp the basic concept that they must get progress on their movements in terms of weight/reps to actually get bigger and stronger.

Then again, they will probably just forget that entire concept, and just ‘do the program’ thinking it will magically make them HUUUGE in a couple of months.[/quote]

Not like it won’t happen otherwise.

90% of the people that seem most excited by this I,Bodybuilder, and asking all the questions in CT’s forum appear to be beginners. They must see it as a quick fix or something. I have no doubt Biotest will make many thousands off this, and so they should since they have obviously invested much into it but its too bad that most of the people doing it will have no place in doing so.

I won’t be surprised in a few months time to be seeing threads how people spent hundreds of supplements and it didn’t do shit because they just didn’t know how to train in the first place.

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[quote]hardgnr wrote:
Goodfellow wrote:
I just hope that the beginner’s/noobs that follow this (EVEN THOUGH IT WONT BE DESIGNED FOR THEM), still grasp the basic concept that they must get progress on their movements in terms of weight/reps to actually get bigger and stronger.

Then again, they will probably just forget that entire concept, and just ‘do the program’ thinking it will magically make them HUUUGE in a couple of months.

Not like it won’t happen otherwise.

90% of the people that seem most excited by this I,Bodybuilder, and asking all the questions in CT’s forum appear to be beginners. They must see it as a quick fix or something. I have no doubt Biotest will make many thousands off this, and so they should since they have obviously invested much into it but its too bad that most of the people doing it will have no place in doing so.

I won’t be surprised in a few months time to be seeing threads how people spent hundreds of supplements and it didn’t do shit because they just didn’t know how to train in the first place.[/quote]

To be fair, how many disclaimers to you want Biotest to put up?

If you look at the V-diet calculator, it gives you warning that this program might not be for you if you enter too high or too low a weight. f.e.

Also, I do not get the whole “Well, it only works with the supplements, meh”. So what? Even if it was that way, you are free to take it or leave it. This whole idea what can or cannot be part of a product are extremely arbitrary.

Maybe, to work optimally it will come in a package . Product plus instructions. Big deal. When I buy hair shampoo I not only buy the product, I also have to apply it, at the right time and place.

Imagine that!

The nerve of those shampoo producers is galling but somehow we all manage to deal with it.

I am not even going to mention (at least not in detail) the shameful injustice that even after having bought toilet paper I still have to wipe my own ass.

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AHA Orion !

Good stuff.

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Have to chime in here…
Girlfriend and I did the V-Diet in April. Both in our 40’s…kicked my ass but followed it to a “T”.
ALL Biotest products, wouldn’t do it any other way. Both had great results.

I’m not a blind follower of anything. The proof is in the product, effort and ultimate results you define as successful for yourself.
CT is someone I respect (based on knowledge, effort and results). Chomping at the bit for this to be released.

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I just ran upon this and thought it was funny.

154

Ok, that was pretty clever.

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[quote]Justayoungen wrote:
I, Bodybuilder….Fitness Marketing 101 – Health Habits [/quote]

Okay, here is my marketing 101.

The best way to kill a shitty product is great advertising.

That way, everybody buys it once and then tells all his friends how awesomely disappointing it is.

Let us factor in, just for shits and giggles, that Mr Patterson is not an idiot.

Chances are, he is not.

He might actually know this.

That leads me to the conclusion that he is either:

a) Bipolar and looking for a quick way to ruin himself so that he can cut himself listening to some emo music, or

b) he is on to something.

Since him, listening to the Blind Melons all day, is of no obvious advantage to me I prefer option b.

Just saying.

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I hope that will be a version with spanish subtitles or a text if there’s a video for the I, BODYBUILDER program. My english is not very good haha. In argentina theres not a Biotest store. I can’t buy this supplements. :frowning: Fuking Country!! haha

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With all the talk of CNS prep, clusters and whatnot, will this program be similar to the ‘Beast Building’ articles? Perhaps CT rehashed his old protocols with new techniques? I hope I don’t piss someone off with this post.

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[quote]pachongo8 wrote:
I hope that will be a version with spanish subtitles or a text if there’s a video for the I, BODYBUILDER program. My english is not very good haha. In argentina theres not a Biotest store. I can’t buy this supplements. :frowning: Fuking Country!! haha[/quote]

you type more coherently than some posters on here

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Did it just suddenly become taboo to discuss IBB further? Or did people just resign themselves to never see it materialize even though it was, for a respectable length of time, the most talked about item on this forum?

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[quote]HBSBound wrote:
Did it just suddenly become taboo to discuss IBB further? Or did people just resign themselves to never see it materialize even though it was, for a respectable length of time, the most talked about item on this forum? [/quote]

My Anaconda tastes a little like Kool-Aid.

thinks about how nasty that sounds