Can’t fucking wait.
I’m ready to get at this program ASAP
If this comes out in the next month or so, it will be perfect timing for me.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
It’s Canada’s own, CT! – shouldn’t it be “Bodybuilder, eh?”[/quote]
lol
My own theory: T-Nation is looking for a “CrossFit Killer”. Consider the stakes: In '98 when the whole enterprise was getting established online, Testosterone was a logical next step in the continuum of what had come before. Think of it as MM2K goes to the web (Note- by MM2K I mean this is prior to BP getting all gay and “ravy” on us).
For the next several years Testosterone evolved- much of the that development spurred on through the development of innovative supplements. While they have had and continue to have wonderful, accomplished and outright bad-ass coaches, by their own admission, they have eschewed a formalized “one program for the masses” approach.
Meanwhile, CrossFit is spawned. Hate it all you want, but the bottom line is as fitness movements go, it alone has been responsible for a tremendous expansion of weight-training consciousness among trainees who probably would never otherwise touch a loaded barbell. So here’s T-Muscle looking over its shoulder and what do you know… CrossFit claims to put muscle on people faster than bodybuilding (search Shug’s article on CrossFit for the quote- its not mine).
So now here’s what I’m speculating we can expect- a complete overhaul of sorts, one designed to deliver to the masses a program that bitch slaps CrossFit with its testicularity. Just a hunch though…
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
It’s Canada’s own, CT! – shouldn’t it be “Bodybuilder, eh?”[/quote]
canadian jokes…YES!!!
I for one am tired of seeing the Velocity Diet Banner on the home page. This place is called TESTOSTERONE. I want to get stronger and build muscle (not wither away to nothing using the V-Diet). That’s why the new ad featuring Christian and Da Freak got me all jacked up. It should be right smack across the top of the page. It makes me wanna slam a Spike Shooter, hit the iron, and have one of those workouts where you don’t know if you wanna puke or demolish everything in your path! It’s all about getting jacked and it’s just what this place needs!
This program does appear to be the counterpart to the Velocity Diet. Where you have to take Biotest products X,Y,Z. But I don’t believe it’s simply about making money. If it were they probably would have thrown together some average program with a bunch of supplements a while ago. It’s been a few years since the Velocity Diet was released. In that time I believe Biotest, Tim Patterson, Christian and co. have been researching and experimenting trying to find a protocol that packed on the muscle as fast as the V-Diet could turn you into a thirteen year old girl. I hope they found it.
I’ve been experimenting with Christian’s para workout nutrition and protein pulsing protocols and I am impressed. I feel like the effects of the protocol are so pronounced that my nutrition the rest of the day can be down right awful yet I’ll still make gains. And that’s using FINiBARs, Surge Workout Fuel, Surge Recovery, and Whey. I can’t wait to get my hands on Anaconda and calcium hydrosylate. I’m sure it won’t come cheap but I really believe that you can’t get the same results with simply using whole foods.
The science of building muscle is evolving and Testosterone is at the cutting egde. That’s the reason I frequent this site on a daily basis. So bring on the new Testosterone Superprogram just so I don’t have to look at that V-Diet banner anymore…just kidden, I’m really not one of those kill Shugart, V-Diet haters. Just not my cup of tea.
[quote]Mike A wrote:
My own theory: T-Nation is looking for a “CrossFit Killer”. Consider the stakes: In '98 when the whole enterprise was getting established online, Testosterone was a logical next step in the continuum of what had come before. Think of it as MM2K goes to the web (Note- by MM2K I mean this is prior to BP getting all gay and “ravy” on us).
For the next several years Testosterone evolved- much of the that development spurred on through the development of innovative supplements. While they have had and continue to have wonderful, accomplished and outright bad-ass coaches, by their own admission, they have eschewed a formalized “one program for the masses” approach.
Meanwhile, CrossFit is spawned. Hate it all you want, but the bottom line is as fitness movements go, it alone has been responsible for a tremendous expansion of weight-training consciousness among trainees who probably would never otherwise touch a loaded barbell. So here’s T-Muscle looking over its shoulder and what do you know… CrossFit claims to put muscle on people faster than bodybuilding (search Shug’s article on CrossFit for the quote- its not mine).
So now here’s what I’m speculating we can expect- a complete overhaul of sorts, one designed to deliver to the masses a program that bitch slaps CrossFit with its testicularity. Just a hunch though…[/quote]
This is kinda funny… although you are 100% incorrect, in a video we filmed I shout ‘‘screw crossfit’’ after 3 reps with 415lbs on the bench press.
[quote]DSQ98 wrote:
This program does appear to be the counterpart to the Velocity Diet. Where you have to take Biotest products X,Y,Z. But I don’t believe it’s simply about making money. If it were they probably would have thrown together some average program with a bunch of supplements a while ago.
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Correct! I actually started working FULL TIME (which is the reason for my lack of articles recently) on designing this program. YEP, I’ve been working on it for 6 MONTHS!!! Doesn’t sounds like much, but when you know that I wrote my last book in less than a week you can understand how much I put into this.
I designed, probably, 12 versions of the program. Although every one of them worked, they all had downsides that short sided the possible gains… or made you feel like shit because of neural draining. Heck, I even made myself sick by destroying my immune system with one of the early version of the program!!!
Tim Patterson worked closely with me on this. This guy is actually a true meathead and bodybuilding lover. And, something that is rare for companies owner, he actually knows a ton about training and really challenged my ideas. This, obviously, made the process both longer but more productive.
[quote]DSQ98 wrote:
In that time I believe Biotest, Tim Patterson, Christian and co. have been researching and experimenting trying to find a protocol that packed on the muscle as fast as the V-Diet could turn you into a thirteen year old girl. I hope they found it.
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Haha, well said.
Honestly though, I believe that TC and his crew know the T-Muscle demographic well enough to so that if they do put ‘cock-tease’ posters of a ‘super-programme’ on the site, then said programme is certianly worth waiting for.
And who else on the T-Muscle posse would you have lead the way with such a programme than CT…?
I suspect it’ll be a rather extreme programme that will require 110% accuracy on the nutrition part that will really be aimed at those who have a few years experiance under the bar already.
And inevitably it’ll be adopted by every 150lb 17 year old kid with a nutrition programme that lossely resembles an infants lunch
Looking forward to it though.
i am an avid user of Biotest supplements and supporter of T-Nation since the beginning but some of this marketing is just getting kind of stupid…there is no magic…lift weights, eat healthy, supplement wisely, reapeat for many many years. Besides as an avid reader i don’t like to see Asimov’s titles bastardized.
Your closing statement is perhaps the most niggling complaint I have ever read.
And yes, I would suggest (to you, but no one else, just especially for you) that it really does not matter how you lift, just so long as you do it. Don’t fall in with the rest of the fools in thinking that different methods can give different results.
[quote]Jereth127 wrote:
I suspect it’ll be a rather extreme programme that will require 110% accuracy on the nutrition part that will really be aimed at those who have a few years experiance under the bar already.
And inevitably it’ll be adopted by every 150lb 17 year old kid with a nutrition programme that lossely resembles an infants lunch
Looking forward to it though.[/quote]
Not completely false… the program IS precise, but not so much on the nutrition side than on the training one.
The thing is that the program whole basis is the maximization of the nervous system to stimulate as much growth as possible.
The problem is that some of the methods used are so effective in regard to priming the nervous system that its actually quite a fine line between max stimulation and CNS drain. Heck, I suffered such drain several times myself… mostly because I was progressing so well that I fell victim to the ‘‘more is better’’ mentality.
The problem is that the CNS side effects occur when you are actually progressing ‘‘too fast’’ (if that makes sense). Which is why it is in fact hazardous to those who are overachievers or lack experience.
So the reason why we delayed the publication of the program is actually due to the experimentation of several methods to regular training WHILE YOU ARE DOING IT to avoid grilling the CNS. This is called autoregulation.
The nutritional guidelines provided are actually quite simple to follow.
[quote]morepain wrote:
lift weights, eat healthy, supplement wisely, reapeat for many many years. [/quote]
Beautiful - so simple and elegant. Sums it up completely.
That said, I have a lot of respect for the guys at Biotest, and if CT has something up his sleeve, I have no doubt it will be effective.
I’m interested to see what they’ve put together…
[quote]SkyNett wrote:
morepain wrote:
lift weights, eat healthy, supplement wisely, reapeat for many many years.
Beautiful - so simple and elegant. Sums it up completely.
That said, I have a lot of respect for the guys at Biotest, and if CT has something up his sleeve, I have no doubt it will be effective.
I’m interested to see what they’ve put together… [/quote]
as do i…to the tune of close to 20k on Biotest supplements…not sure why Bill took my staement so harshly, i just know from doing this for 25 years that most peoples problem is certainly not lack of a new program. Like i said i just think alot of the claims and posturing are getting a little out of hand IMO.
To Bill in particular…you seem to be very angry with people lately, not sure why you feel no one deserves to speak their mind anymore, many years ago we used to speak extensively and something has definetly changed. But regardless i certainly meant no disrespect and not really sure how you interpreted it the way you did. i will, as always contine to buy Biotest products simply because they are the best, not because of any creative marketing.
You are in error in your attempt in reading emotions.
There are many people that when others point out that what they wrote or said makes no sense, have to turn this into “that person is angry.” Perhaps it makes them feel better than thinking “Boy I wrote something that makes no sense.”
For you to claim that it is “stupid” or imply it’s untrue for Biotest to say that a given training program gives remarkable results, because after all you just have to lift, etc, makes no sense.
It doesn’t take a person being “angry” to point that out.
As for your complaing about the title, it doesn’t take a person being “angry” to point out that that is a really niggling complaint. It is a niggling complaint.
I have never had a problem with people speaking their mind. But when they say things that make no sense or are niggling complaints that certainly add nothing, I’ve never had a problem speaking my mind about that either. No change at all.
Why you are turning this away from the substance of your comments to claiming bad things about me personally, I don’t know. (Attributing negative motivation to me, and claiming that I supposedly don’t want anyone to speak their mind.)
The only person I see here that seems against people speaking their mind is, well, you… you object to my speaking my mind that complaints that there is no need for the program because all one has to do is lift, etc, and that you object to the title because 59 years ago Isaac Asimov had a book entitled “I, Robot” are really not substantive.
I think a lot of folks are quick to try to guess what’s up. Obviously the more hardcore guys are a little tired of all the V-Diet stuff because it’s aimed at the gym-going types that we typically look down on as not working nearly as hard as we do (and then bitching and moaning how they DON"T EVEN WANT to be huge -lol).
Personally, I’ve learned so much over the years from Thibs’ writings (the pile of print outs I have is pretty staggering), that I’m just curious to see what he’s been up to. Sure there’s never the one great super duper program that will make us all look like Arnold, but there’s always a few gems you can take away from most programs, even if you don’t follow them to the letter.
S
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I think a lot of folks are quick to try to guess what’s up. Obviously the more hardcore guys are a little tired of all the V-Diet stuff because it’s aimed at the gym-going types that we typically look down on as not working nearly as hard as we do (and then bitching and moaning how they DON"T EVEN WANT to be huge -lol).
Personally, I’ve learned so much over the years from Thibs’ writings (the pile of print outs I have is pretty staggering), that I’m just curious to see what he’s been up to. Sure there’s never the one great super duper program that will make us all look like Arnold, but there’s always a few gems you can take away from most programs, even if you don’t follow them to the letter.
S
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You kinda hit the nail on the head here… few people know this but Tim Patterson is a DIE HARD bodybuilding fan. He grew up training alongside Arnold, Mentzer and the whole Golds gang. He honestly doesn’t care much about athletic training, crossfit and all the “modern” waves of training.
He took a step back from T-Nation a while back and now wants to focus it more toward bodybuilding.
I, Bodybuilder is more than a program… we actually want to define what a bodybuilder really is and publish articles that will be of help to the bodybuilder.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
I think a lot of folks are quick to try to guess what’s up. Obviously the more hardcore guys are a little tired of all the V-Diet stuff because it’s aimed at the gym-going types that we typically look down on as not working nearly as hard as we do (and then bitching and moaning how they DON"T EVEN WANT to be huge -lol).
Personally, I’ve learned so much over the years from Thibs’ writings (the pile of print outs I have is pretty staggering), that I’m just curious to see what he’s been up to. Sure there’s never the one great super duper program that will make us all look like Arnold, but there’s always a few gems you can take away from most programs, even if you don’t follow them to the letter.
S
You kinda hit the nail on the head here… few people know this but Tim Patterson is a DIE HARD bodybuilding fan. He grew up training alongside Arnold, Mentzer and the whole Golds gang. He honestly doesn’t care much about athletic training, crossfit and all the “modern” waves of training.
He took a step back from T-Nation a while back and now wants to focus it more toward bodybuilding.
I, Bodybuilder is more than a program… we actually want to define what a bodybuilder really is and publish articles that will be of help to the bodybuilder.[/quote]
Ok…now I am kind of excited about this.
Right on for chiming in on the thread, CT! I was hoping to see an release date when I saw the thread pop back up, but this’ll work.